Mumbai Attacks

[kaal2009]

I have been waiting for news of Biden being arrested in India. But he has apparently decided to avoid arrest by skipping India. India must demand his extradition to face trial in India for participating in crimes of terrorism against India. India must also demand extradition of Mitchell Shivers, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for Asian & Pacific Security Affairs, who, without a question, is a participant in these crimes, as well as the C.I.A. Director.

 

[kaal2009]

The Americans had invaded Panama and brought its head of state, Manuel Noriega, to the United States in chains and he remains in jail in the U.S. for engaging in drug trade. Two decades ago, in a telephone conversation with Mrs. Imelda Marcos, whose husband, the Philippine president, was facing trial in the U.S., I said something close to the following "These (the Americans) are the worst criminals on the face of the Earth. They are Europeans who have usurped the land of other people and committed genocide on them. Each time we buy any thing (in the U.S.), we pay taxes that are being used to commit crimes all over the world by the C.I.A. We have the right to arrest President Reagan and the entire American government and try them under Indian law. It is not the law, the problem is enforcement -- who has got the guns. There is an American saying 'If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns'. These (the Americans) are the biggest outlaws in the world and they have got the guns -- nuclear weapons. And they would like to keep it that way.

That is also why nuclear supremacy over the United States, which I have been advocating, is essential for India.

 

[batmannow]

The Americans had invaded Panama and brought its head of state, Manuel Noriega, to the United States in chains and he remains in jail in the U.S. for engaging in drug trade. Two decades ago, in a telephone conversation with Mrs. Imelda Marcos, whose husband, the Philippine president, was facing trial in the U.S., I said something close to the following "These (the Americans) are the worst criminals on the face of the Earth. They are Europeans who have usurped the land of other people and committed genocide on them. Each time we buy any thing (in the U.S.), we pay taxes that are being used to commit crimes all over the world by the C.I.A. We have the right to arrest President Reagan and the entire American government and try them under Indian law. It is not the law, the problem is enforcement -- who has got the guns. There is an American saying 'If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns'. These (the Americans) are the biggest outlaws in the world and they have got the guns -- nuclear weapons. And they would like to keep it that way.

That is also why nuclear supremacy over the United States, which I have been advocating, is essential for India.

kaal2009, dear sir
i guss, you are very wise person, & your perception about corporate USA, is very amazing, well! ithink the recent tenssions between INDIA & PAKISTAN, are being scripted, some where in the pentagon, & these GORA's still trying to pitch brother against brothers.

sadly there are people like"durani" in both establishments(india & pakistan), working for CIA under cover, for the greatest UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, i hope we can find peoples like you & me, some day,& surly we will break this circle of madness!
all the best, sir
happay new year to you & your family

 

[Pk_Thunder]

Indian PM extends ‘good wishes’ to Pakistani leaders​

By Syed Irfan Raza
Tuesday, 13 Jan, 2009 | 02:02 AM PST |

ISLAMABAD: Indian Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh has extended a message of ‘good wishes’ to President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani for the year 2009 amid severe tension between the Pakistan and India that emerged after Mumbai attacks in November last.
‘President Asif Ali Zardari will reciprocate the positive gesture of Indian Prime Minister soon,’ Spokesman for the President Farhatullah Babar told Dawn on Monday.
‘With all good wishes for the new year’, Prime Minister Singh said in a season’s greetings card addressed to President Zardari.
The greetings card carries a picture of a dove with some flowers in his beak on its front and it has been signed by Prime Minister Singh and his wife Gursharan Kaur.
‘We are considering the good wishes sent by Indian premier as a positive gesture to de-escalate tension between the two countries,’ the president’s spokesman said.
He said a white dove on the front of the card symbolizes that Dr Singh desired for good relations between Pakistan and India and urged for the peace in the region instead of heading towards any conflict.
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President Asif Ali Zardari, who met on the sidelines of annual UN General Assembly session in New York in September, discussed bilateral issues and pledged to combat terrorism jointly during that meeting.
The leadership of Pakistan and India have been stressing on the continuity of peace process between the two countries, with President Zardari always emphasizing that the peace process should not be hijacked by non-state actors.
Now the good wishes extended by Prime Minister Singh to President Zardari through a greetings card, having a dove printed on its front side, also exhibit the same desire of peace and harmony between the two South Asian neighbours.

 

[Jihad]

What an interesting figure, Mr. Manmohan Singh.
He seems to be schizophrenzic or something, first lashes out threats to Pakistan, and then good wishes to Pakistani leaders, not the first time he does something like this, it goes back and forth.
Ohwell, either way or another, i'm glad he wished our leaders well, perhaps a sign of eased tensions?

 

[Pk_Thunder]

What an interesting figure, Mr. Manmohan Singh.
He seems to be schizophrenzic or something, first lashes out threats to Pakistan, and then good wishes to Pakistani leaders, not the first time he does something like this, it goes back and forth.
Ohwell, either way or another, i'm glad he wished our leaders well, perhaps a sign of eased tensions?

May be!Lets wait and see

 

[Neo]

Indian newspaper publishes ‘dossier of Mumbai evidence’ ​

LAHORE: An Indian newspaper has posted on its website the 69-page so-called dossier given to Pakistan containing ‘evidence that links elements in Pakistan to the Mumbai terror attacks’.

The Hindu post – spread over three sections of the newspaper’s site – carries the material that emerged during the investigation into the Mumbai attacks.

The first section of 21 pages contains details of the dates and locations of the attacks, the number of casualties and the names of the people who lost their lives. The section begins with a description of Ajmal Kasab, the lone surviving gunman; his village in Pakistan and his statement on his ‘training at Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LT) camps in Pakistan’. The 10-member group that Ajmal was part of was “closely monitored by senior members of LT”, it says, and goes on to give the names of the nine attackers killed by Indian security forces. The first section also includes details of the terrorists’ alleged journey to Mumbai from Karachi.

The second section – containing satellite pictures – includes details of the route to Mumbai and the planned route of return after the attack. Some handwritten scripts and pictures are also part of the second section.

The last section elaborates Pakistan’s response to the attacks. It ends with telling Pakistan what it should do: “Hand over the conspirators to face justice in India … dismantle infrastructure of terrorism. Prevent terrorist attacks from Pakistan. Adhere to and implement bilateral, multilateral and international obligations.” daily times monitor

 

[Omar1984]

Government sources indicate that the talks between India and Pakistan have been put on hold. The fifth round of the Indo-Pakistan dialogue began just before the Mumbai carnage and the foreign secretaries and home secretaries had met. But since then, all the talks that were due to appear were put to be on hold. In all these cases, dates were being discussed between the two countries, but because of the attacks there is not forward movement on the dates.

Officially, the government is saying that no dates were fixed but it was clear that the talks were to have been completed by December end. So, there is no chance of talks in the near future. The defence secretary level talks on Siachen have not begun. Both the countries were talking on Siachen. India wanted a line showing troop positions on the map. Pakistan wanted a withdrawal first and now there have been no talks now.

The Indian and Pakistani governments had got much of the Sir Creek mapped and talks between the two surveyor-generals were going ahead. There was even some optimism in the air regarding at least a partial solution to the problem. The two water resources ministries were to talk on river water sharing, particularly, the Tulbul project, and now there are no dates for talks fixed. The talks between the commerce and culture secretaries of the two countries have also been put on hold.

There is a partial breakdown in communication between the two sides. India has sent two demarches and Pakistan has replied to them in general terms saying that all of Pakistan regretted the attack and wanted a joint probe, but all other information whether it is the house arrest of Masood Azhar or the fact that he is no in Pakistan, has been placed before the media, and India has not been told anything directly. The only communication apart from the demarche was on the air intrusion.

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Note: Sir Creek is supposed to be oil-rich region on the border of Pakistan's Sindh with India's Gujrat.

 

[IceCold]

Updated at: 1406 PST, Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Pakistan establishment not involved in Mumbai attacks: Britain NEW DELHI: Britain has said that Pakistan establishment was not involved in Mumbai attacks, every one knows from where the terrorism took place and Pakistan should play its role.

Addressing a press conference here, British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband accompanied by his Indian counterpart told this. He said that millions of Indians and Pakistanis living in Britain wanted peace between the two countries. He said that Pakistan had no direct connection with the Mumbai attacks and added that it was the responsibility of Pakistan to take actions against Lashkar-e-Taiba. “Terrorism is a threat to Pakistan and Pakistan has to play a key-role for the security of India and Afghanistan,” he said.

British Foreign Secretary, David Miliband said that it was imperative that Pakistan remained stable in relation to its security and economy. Pakistan itself was a victim of terrorism and Benazir Bhutto was also made a victim by it. He said that Pakistan’s policy against terrorism was correct and it should be enforced. He said that judiciary in Pakistan was independent and Pakistan fulfilling its responsibility should punish the culprits.

Miliband further said that Mumbai attacks were not related to Pakistan/India, but that of international terrorism and the terrorism could be defeated politically. He said that India behaved responsibly in the aftermath of Mumbai attacks and we considered India a symbol of success in the region.

Indian Foreign Minister, Pranab Mukharjee on this occasion said that India was a victim of cross border terrorism and Pakistan needed to be further pressurized. He demanded from Pakistan to abide by the Saarc charter for anti-terrorism and act upon the evidences provided by us.

Pakistan establishment not involved in Mumbai attacks: Britain - GEO.tv

 

[IceCold]

It seems that the world has finally started to see the truth and to appreciate Pakistan's stance over the whole thing from the start.
I wonder what Singh sb has to say after this?

 

[IceCold]

Indian Foreign Minister, Pranab Mukharjee on this occasion said that India was a victim of cross border terrorism and Pakistan needed to be further pressurized. He demanded from Pakistan to abide by the Saarc charter for anti-terrorism and act upon the evidences provided by us.

Indian FM whining again.

 

[shocky]

Updated at: 1406 PST, Tuesday, January 13, 2009
Pakistan must now accept that it is indeed responsible for the indian attacks, the world forum is behind them for completely a valid reason

 

[dabloo]

It seems that the world has finally started to see the truth and to appreciate Pakistan's stance over the whole thing from the start.
I wonder what Singh sb has to say after this?

Fine, Pakistan government may be not knowing this, but what about Pakistani Army and ISI.

Can anyone give cleanchit to them also.

Regards
Dabloo

 

[IceCold]

Fine, Pakistan government may be not knowing this, but what about Pakistani Army and ISI.

Can anyone give cleanchit to them also.

Regards
Dabloo

Dude the definition of establishment includes the army and the ISI as well, or are you implying that army and the ISI is not the part of Pakistani establishment. Also if you just happened to pay attention, you would have realized that the foreign secretary used the term Pakistani establishment and not Pakistani political establishment. Hope you get the difference.

 

[Omar1984]

Pakistan and India were optimistic of finding a partial solution to the disputed territory of Sir Creek, an oil-rich region which divides Pakistan's Sindh from India's Gujrat and then suddenly this Mumbai drama occurs.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...itory-progressing-mumbai-attacks-occured.html