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I think there is a very high number who believe him. He knows to catch the pulse of his target audience, even though he so clearly avoids the truth as plague.

He mixes facts with fiction pretty well and is a good demagogue.

he he like your idiot news anchors and reporters who even don,t know where is their mike placed
 
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50 hours terarrst inside indian waters and indian navy are sleep tight because they close there radar and fell happy .what a drama they make :argh:
 
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BREAKING NEWS .. i neva know indian Navy sleeep around 5-6 hoursss lolllllllllllllllll
 
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Can anypost the Video of star news controversy abt Chacha Rehman

Its make me laugh LOUD ..


Its was a Star Plus Drama
 
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I have as the world seen and have bear witness to the attacks in Mumbai recently. However, I have gone further than simply witnessing these attacks, I have given it some intellectual thought that I want to share with Muslims particularly Muslim-Pakistanis.

The main thesis of this Post is I have noticed several weaknesses in the Indian special forces or Army response and engagement to quell the attacks in Mumbai.

1) First Pakistan should take note, for several days two dozen armed gun men have taken hold of Mumbai, and the Indian Army was unable to STOP THEM!

2) These Men were well coordinated and had AK-47 but what is interesting is that the gun men had carjacked a Indian Police Van! And cruised around Mumbai shooting civilians, the Police had great difficulty stopping a few guys in a Van in their financial capital. Another weakness.

3) The Indian army spent days figuring out how to end the attacks.

4) Indian forces appeared unorganized in their operations.


If Mumbai was a Pakistani City, I guarantee you the Pakistani Forces would have responded much better to these attacks, with swiftness, accuracy, intelligence, and confidence.

This is all I will share.


Video of the Carjacked Indian police Van!!! Cruising around Mumbai easily!

Please share your thoughts on this subject.
 
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BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'Rot' at heart of Indian intelligence

The blame game over who was responsible for bloody terror attacks in the western Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) has a sense of déjà vu about it.

Security experts have criticised the response to the attacks, which left nearly 200 people dead, as "amateurish, sluggish and feeble".

Indian intelligence agencies are leaking information that they gave about half a dozen warnings to the government in Maharashtra state - of which Mumbai is the capital.

The reports say Maharashtra was warned that strikes were being planned on city landmarks, including, possibly, the Taj Mahal hotel at the historic Gateway of India.

Authorities in Mumbai flatly deny that they received any tip-offs. "It is unimaginable that we would have got this sensitive information and not react," says state Interior Secretary Chitkala Zutshi.

Knee-jerk responses

But security experts confirm that information extracted from a group of Indian and Pakistani men arrested in northern India earlier this year revealed that some men belonging to Pakistan-based groups had done a reconnaissance of major landmarks in Mumbai. The agencies had also been picking up militant chatter on attacks in the city.


The police in India are working on manpower and equipment assessments last made in the 1970s
Security analyst Praveen Swami

Yet the local police and intelligence agencies appeared to have failed to act on any of the information - despite doubts as to whether the information was shared promptly enough between the Mumbai authorities.

This is a story which keeps repeating itself in a country which has been hit by over half a dozen big "terror attacks" this year - the central and local security authorities trade charges over the sharing and quality of intelligence, followed by knee-jerk responses and investigations which fizzle out in a couple of years.

The attacks and their aftermath again point to the rot that has set into the country's internal security system and a lack of cohesion between civilian and security wings of the government.

One telling example: six days after the attack, even the number of dead and injured keeps going up and down, due to poor co-ordination between the police and hospitals.

More seriously, the Indian police appear to be incapacitated by a lack of money and training. Poor working conditions, rudimentary surveillance and communications equipment, inadequate forensic science laboratories and outdated weaponry are making matters worse.

"The Mumbai attacks prove that the whole system is falling apart. The police in India are working on manpower and equipment assessments last made in the 1970s," says security analyst Praveen Swami.

The fact that the gunmen came by sea - and sneaked into the city through a crowded fishing colony - points to almost non-existent coastal police patrols, as a local officer admits.

All that the police have is a couple of launches. They have no radar.

The Mumbai police - like most police in India - remain in a time warp: they are equipped with World War II vintage rifles and carbines handed down by the army. In most states, an average policeman's salary and status is equivalent to that of an unskilled municipal worker, encouraging corruption.

Inadequate protection

Budgets do not extend to supplying food to police personnel on shift, so many end up extorting food from street hawkers. They also routinely hitch free rides because they don't have enough vehicles.

Training and faster response times are urgently needed, critics say

Bullet proof vests are of inferior quality and phone interception equipment remains largely rudimentary.

And three years after the central government announced the setting up an ambitious National Police Mission to set out the future needs and requirements of the force, nothing has happened.

India's commando forces are also not exactly in good shape.

A group of the elite 7,400-strong National Security Guards (NSG) - who were flown in to Mumbai eight hours after the attacks - is based near the capital, Delhi. Many of the commandos, say experts, are wasted in giving protection to politicians and other VIPs.

The country's best commando force does not have its own aircraft. As a result, it has become used to spending hours reaching crisis locations, with mixed results.

"On average, the commando force has taken six to seven hours to reach and begin their operations and get their act together every time they have been called for. There have been delays," says Praveen Swami.

He says the commandos have been trained to rescue small groups of people. "They have not been trained on multiple location operations of such scale."

'No way to fight terrorism'

Any deficiencies in their training may be explained by the fact that a Mumbai-type attack only happens very rarely.


That is why Indian security experts like Ajai Sahni say that the response to the attacks was so poor.

"This is no way to fight terrorism," he says.

After the Mumbai attacks, the local government announced it would set up a state commando force: to begin with, some 500 armed men would be ready in four months.

This, when the basic training for the NSG commandos takes six months. And Maharashtra, along with other states, has no commando training centres.

A number of states where there have been attacks by Maoist rebels plan to raise their own commando forces, but early results point to hasty, faulty planning.

The authorities in eastern Orissa state, for example, hired 8,000 new policemen for anti-Maoist operations, but found to their dismay that it took six months to train just 350 of them.

There are allegations that many of the candidates paid bribes to get into the force.

Painfully slow and lazy bureaucracy means that the modernisation of the security forces often takes ages. Police in Uttar Pradesh state took four years to buy imported surveillance equipment.

By the time it arrived, it had become outdated and now lies disused. One police official even paid by his own credit card to pick up a piece of $60 equipment from a foreign website for his forces because it would have taken him months, if not years, to acquire it.

With their bureaucratic ways of working, the intelligence agencies are also struggling.

There is a dearth of language specialists. India's spy agency, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), is reported by insiders to have only two Arabic and two Chinese language specialists, hired from language schools.

But the best do not stay on because of poor wages, and one of the Chinese language specialists who was trained in cyber-technology quit to join one of India's top industrial groups.

"Things have to begin from scratch to boost internal security in India. Authorities should come clean to the people and tell them how bad the situation is and set time-bound targets to begin improving security infrastructure," says Praveen Swami.

Otherwise, he warns, India will continue to be one of the softest targets for terror strikes in the world.

Just found this in BBC.this is quite depressing for a superpower.
 
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I ll come straight to the point, I have been researching this without posting much in the forum and these are my questions:

1) If Indian mujahideen or Indian homegrown Radicals are behind this, I am not able to figure out why they had to target Jews and Americans - they would rather target Politicians and Actors!! The reason : I have searched for Indian radical groups and they seldom attack foreigners.

2) It is apparently very easy for Indian people to travel within the land than through sea (this from very dependable Indian friends I have here) so it beats me why they have to beat the navy and come through sea than take the direct land route - u dont normally find army deployed in mumbai - this is not Kashmir!!

3)Of course I am not pointing at Pakistan. But I am inclined at those forces that are derailing Pakistan's economy and state framework - the Islamic fundamentalists . And where are they based now? (unfortunately very much close to where I am from!! )

Please do not jump to conclusions and please do reply with some good backing. Thanks in advance.


May peace prevail!!
 
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India Says All Mumbai Attackers Came by Ship

MUMBAI, India — The Mumbai attackers came by ship from the Pakistani port of Karachi, the Indian police said Tuesday, the most direct link made to Pakistan so far.

With tensions high between Islamabad and New Delhi, the Mumbai police chief, Hassan Gafoor, gave some of the most specific details yet about the identity of the attackers and the nature of their the bloody rampage last week that left at least 173 people dead.

He repeated that the one gunman had captured alive was from Pakistan. That suspect has been identified as one Ajmal Amir Qasab, who Indian investigators said had admitted to being a member of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a militant Islamist group accused of carrying out terrorist attacks in Indian-administered Kashmir and elsewhere.

A police official in Mumbai said Mr. Qasab named several possible masterminds of the attack, including Yusuf Muzammil, who Indian authorities say is the Lashkar leader who spearheads actions on Indian soil.

Mr. Gafoor said the police were still verifying the nationalities of the nine attackers killed during their rampage. But he said there had been no British passport holders among them, contradicting some early news reports. The Indian authorities have maintained that the 10 accounts for all the attackers.

Mr. Gafoor said the 10 had been trained by an ex-army officer, although he refused to specify which army the officer belonged to, and that all been trained in the same location, some for as long as a year, although he would not say where.

“The main plan was obvious — to create a sensation and to kill as many people as possible,” he told reporters.

Responding to questions about whether the gunmen had received assistance, he said the evidence suggested they had no collaboration from employees at the two hotels they attacked in Mumbai, and there was as yet no evidence they had help elsewhere in the city.

Tensions between India and Pakistan are now at their worse since 2001, when a suicide attack on the Indian Parliament pushed them to the brink of war.

American and Indian intelligence officials say there is strong evidence tying the attacks to the Lashkar group, which has been linked to Pakistan’s powerful intelligence agency. According to senior American government officials, satellite intercepts of telephone calls made during the siege directly linked the attackers in Mumbai to operatives in Pakistan working for Lashkar. The same group has been mentioned by some European security officials as linked to the attack. The American officials said there was still no evidence that Pakistan’s government had a hand in the operation.

Some new details have emerged about the difficulties faced by the Indian police commandos who responded to the killings here last week. The attackers used grenades to booby trap some of the bodies in the two luxury hotels where they struck, the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower and the Oberoi, so they would explode when they were moved, according to Rakesh Maria, the joint commissioner of the Mumbai police. It was not always clear, he added, whether the people were dead or just wounded.

That tactic made fighting the attackers more difficult, and significantly delayed the cleanup after the violence ended, Inspector Maria said. The last militants were routed on Saturday morning, but the Taj hotel was not returned to the control of its owners until Monday morning.

The foreign minister, Pranab Mukherjee, increased pressure on Pakistan, demanding that the Pakistani government arrest and hand over about 20 people wanted for seven years under Indian law as criminal fugitives. Some were suspected gangsters with links to organized crime; none were believed to be linked directly to the attacks.

Meanwhile, he appeared to rule out an immediate military response against Pakistan, saying that “no one is talking about military action,” according to news reports.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was due to arrive in the region on Wednesday to demand Pakistan’s full cooperation with the investigation into the attacks and to calm relations. In an attempt to tamp down tensions between India and Pakistan ahead of Ms. Rice’s arrival, President Bush ordered Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to travel to India.

Pakistan seemed eager to lower the levels of easily-ignited passion that, in the past, have brought the two nuclear-armed neighbors into three wars. The Pakistan foreign minister, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, offered in a televised address to conduct a joint investigation with India into the Mumbai killings, Reuters reported, and said now was not the time for a “blame game.”

“Pakistan wants good relations with India,” he said.

President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan said in a television interview Monday night that if India shared the results of its investigation, Pakistan would “do everything in our power to go after these militants.”

Many of the fugitives sought by India were people it has been trying to arrest for years. They included Dawood Ibrahim, described in news reports as a powerful gangster and India’s most-wanted fugitive, who was accused of organizing bombings in Mumbai in 1993.

The list also included Masood Azhar, a suspected terrorist freed from prison in India in exchange for the release of hostages aboard a hijacked Indian Airlines aircraft in December, 1999, news reports said.

With elections just months away, the government needs to be seen as acting decisively in the face of the atrocities. But it could be accused of raising a red herring if it does not furnish convincing evidence for its claims of Pakistani involvement.

Indian intelligence officials issued at least one warning about a possible attack on the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels, but that was in September. Security was increased for a while and then relaxed, intelligence officials have said. There were reports of many other unheeded warnings, but it was not clear how many were actually communicated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/03/world/asia/03mumbai.html?_r=1&hp
 
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1) If Indian mujahideen or Indian homegrown Radicals are behind this, I am not able to figure out why they had to target Jews and Americans - they would rather target Politicians and Actors!! The reason : I have searched for Indian radical groups and they seldom attack foreigners.

To get International publicity. There will be more publicity if more white people died than just Indian people.

It is apparently very easy for Indian people to travel within the land than through sea (this from very dependable Indian friends I have here) so it beats me why they have to beat the navy and come through sea than take the direct land route - u dont normally find army deployed in mumbai - this is not Kashmir!!

I find it hard to believe that they came from the sea.

Of course I am not pointing at Pakistan. But I am inclined at those forces that are derailing Pakistan's economy and state framework - the Islamic fundamentalists . And where are they based now? (unfortunately very much close to where I am from!! )

I believe its the Al-Qaida type terrorists that have grown up in India due to Kashmir occupation (similarities of Afghanistan, Iraq). It is also interesting to know that Somalia is now having the same problems with these Al-Qaida type terrorists as United States took off their government couple of years ago.

It is not the Al-Qaida or anything it is more about the mentality that people grew up with as they see being oppressed or something similar.
 
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MUMBAI -- India has named a senior leader of the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba as the mastermind of last week's terror attacks that killed at least 172 people here, and demanded the Pakistani government turn him over and take action against the group.

Just two days before hitting the city, the group of 10 terrorists who ravaged India's financial capital communicated with Yusuf Muzammil and four other Lashkar leaders via a satellite phone that they left behind on a fishing trawler they hijacked to get to Mumbai, a senior Mumbai police official told The Wall Street Journal. The entire group also underwent rigorous training in a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, the official said.

And Mr. Muzammil had earlier been in touch with an Indian Muslim extremist who scoped out Mumbai locations for possible attack before he was arrested early this year, said another senior Indian police official. The Indian man, Faheem Ahmed Ansari, had in his possession layouts drawn up for the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower and Mumbai's main railway station, both prime targets of last week's attack, the police official said.

Mr. Ansari, who also made sketches and maps of other locations in southern Mumbai that weren't attacked, had met Mr. Muzammil and trained at the same Lashkar camp as the terrorists in last week's attack, an official said.

American intelligence officials agreed Mr. Muzammil was a focus of their attention in the attacks, though they stopped short of calling him the mastermind. "That is a name that is definitely on the radar screen," a U.S. counterterrorism official said.

Information gathered in the probe also continues to point to a connection to Lashkar-e-Taiba, a U.S. counterterrorism official said. Along with a confession from the one gunmen captured in the attacks, U.S. officials cited phone calls intercepted by satellite during the attacks that connected the assailants to members of Lashkar-e-Taiba in Pakistan, as well as the recovered satellite phone from the boat, U.S. officials said.

It also emerged Tuesday that U.S. authorities had warned Indian officials of a pending attack by sea. Hasan Gafoor, Mumbai police commissioner, told a news conference there was a general warning in September after the bombing of the Marriot Hotel in Islamabad that other hotels could be targeted, but he said there was nothing specific.

An Indian police official in Kashmir also said in an interview Tuesday that two militants arrested in early 2007 told police officials then that they were part of a band of eight Lashkar-e-Taiba members who slipped into India by boat from Karachi, Pakistan and made their way to Mumbai, where they broke into pairs -- just as last week's attackers did. The 2007 group made their way north using safehouses provided by local sympathizers.
Heightened Pressure

The evidence cited by investigators is giving fresh ammunition to the Indian government, which has long tried to pressure Pakistan into cracking down on Lashkar-e-Taiba. India claims the group enjoys support from elements of the Pakistani intelligence agency. Pakistan denies that and outlawed the organization in 2002, but has done little to curtail its operations.

Mr. Muzammil's name is on a list of people -- numbering about 20 in all -- that India gave Pakistan earlier this week, demanding their immediate extradition, officials said. A senior Pakistani official said Pakistan was examining the list of suspects provided by New Delhi, and has assured India that action would be taken against them if evidence was available of their involvement in the Mumbai attacks.

It was unclear how Islamabad would respond to the evidence Indian investigators say they have put together. Any move by the shaky civilian government of Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari against Lashkar-e-Taiba could create a huge backlash, particularly from Islamic groups, said a senior official in Pakistan. On Tuesday, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani convened a meeting of all of the country's political parties in the capital to develop a joint response to Indian demands for extradition.
'Joint Investigation'

"The government of Pakistan has offered a joint investigation mechanism and we are ready to compose such a team which will help the investigation," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a televised statement. Mr. Qureshi, however, declined to say whether Pakistan would hand over any of those sought by India.

The Mumbai attacks have ratcheted up tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, who have been exchanging verbal fire for the past several days and sparking fears of a conflict. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is scheduled to arrive in India Wednesday, as is Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff.

A Pakistani security official in Europe contends there is no evidence Lashkar has carried out operations against India since a 2003 cease-fire took effect between the two countries in 2003. According to this official, Lashkar-e-Taiba's training camps were shut down at the same time.

But Indian authorities say evidence highlights how Lashkar-e-Taiba has broadened its operations to include the recruitment of both Indian and Pakistani Muslim extremists.

Lashkar-e-Taiba -- literally Army of the Good -- has been implicated by Indian officials in several recent terrorist attacks on Indian soil. The group initially focused on fighting the Indian army in the disputed state of Kashmir. Over the years, it has expanded its cause into the rest of India and aims to establish Islamic rule.

India has told Pakistan that the latest attacks in Mumbai were masterminded by Mr. Muzammil, aided by others in the group's senior ranks, according to a senior Pakistani official. Mr. Muzammil, a Pakistani in his mid-30s, became head of Lashkar-e-Taiba's anti-Indian planning cell some three months ago, according to Dipankar Banerjee, director of the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies, an independent think tank in New Delhi.

India also claims the attacks were approved by Hafiz Mohammed Saeed, the Pakistani official said. Mr. Saeed is the head of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the parent organization of Lashkar-e-Taiba. Mr. Saeed, who is free in Pakistan, denied the accusations. "India has always accused me without any evidence," he told Pakistan's GEO News television channel.
'Substantial Progress'

Indian investigators -- helped in part by the testimony of the one terrorist they captured alive, Mohammed Ajmal Kasab -- say they now possess solid proof. "We have made substantial progress in the investigation," said A.N. Roy, director general of the State Police of Maharashtra, where Mumbai is located.

According to Mumbai police chief Hasan Gafoor, Mr. Kasab told interrogators that he and fellow gunmen spent between a year and 18 months in a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp.

The 10 militants left Pakistan's port city of Karachi on Nov. 23 aboard a ship called the Al Husseini, which also carried a crew of seven, another senior police official said. Investigators believe that all the 10 gunmen were Pakistani because they spoke Punjabi or Punjabi-accented Urdu.

When they entered Indian waters, the terrorists hijacked a fishing trawler called the Kuber and took its five crew members prisoner. The terrorists transferred four of them to the Al Husseini and they were subsequently killed, police believe. The terrorists kept the Kuber's lead crewman alive and sailed close to Mumbai.
Fearing Detection

The terrorists abandoned the Kuber in haste, fearing detection by an approaching vessel, the senior police official said. In the process, they forgot their satellite phone on the Kuber. Investigators found in the call log the numbers of five people including Mr. Muzammil, two of his deputies and his personal aide, the senior police official said. Indian officials had already intercepted a phone conversations made while the terrorists were traveling to Mumbai.

Indian Muslim leaders are skeptical of Lashkar's reach into India. But police say Lashkar has increasingly sought contacts and recruits among Indian extremists. In October, for instance, five Muslims from the southern state of Kerala were recruited into Lashkar-e-Taiba and traveled to the Indian part of Kashmir, according to T.K. Vinod Kumar, Kerala's deputy inspector-general of police. They tried to cross the line of control that runs between India and Pakistan and reach training camps on the Pakistani side.

Four among the group were killed in a firefight with the Indian military during that attempt. The fifth, construction worker Abdul Jabbar, was arrested two weeks ago, Mr. Kumar says.

India Names Mumbai Mastermind - WSJ.com
 
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I was looking for it, cldnt find it lol
I guess i wasnt looking hard enough lol
Thnxs
 
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To get International publicity. There will be more publicity if more white people died than just Indian people.

How come then that they have never sought international publicity so far? the attack seems very similar to that of ppl from alqaeda - which for sure has not attacked in India as al qaeda itself.


I find it hard to believe that they came from the sea.

It seems to be the truth for now. There has been a good amount of proof shown - even other wise, lets assume they came by sea - then what do u think will u answer?

I believe its the Al-Qaida type terrorists that have grown up in India due to Kashmir occupation (similarities of Afghanistan, Iraq). It is also interesting to know that Somalia is now having the same problems with these Al-Qaida type terrorists as United States took off their government couple of years ago.

It is not the Al-Qaida or anything it is more about the mentality that people grew up with as they see being oppressed or something similar.

Quite possible- but then again, there was never a strike like this at this magnitude - it is definitely a different set of people mastrminding this - so even if there were home grown terrorists, There seems to be guidance from higher echelons of Al qaeda and the likes - which again points to links to Taliban, LeT and Finally - Pakistan because they right now reside there!!
 
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