Mumbai Attacks

[haviZsultan]

OMG! Did I just see a raakhi on his hand?

 

[junoon25pk]

I am really impressed by the promptness and quickness of Indian agencies, that just within 24 hrs they find a link till Multan. When I saw the picture of a boat really I couldn’t control my laugh, Indian sea is so vulnerable and there Maritimes agencies which always searching for poor fisherman’s of Pakistan unable to trace it .there mega city changed into battle ground and some wizard ISI backed terrorist are killing them .Army, navy, police commandoes are behind them wow what a flop film seems to be again copy of some Hollywood movie. Please at least come out with some genuine ideas don’t try to copy 9/11 instead of this find some ISI backed masala item girls and shoot some songs because you are good in that thing only. it appears that Indians stage this type of flop show to take advantage of Pakistan’s internal situation as they have been doing in past as well, but this time we are waiting for you with some thing big in our hands.

 

[Keysersoze]

India has complained in the past that attacks on its soil have been carried out by groups based in Pakistan, although relations between the two countries have improved in recent years and Pakistani leaders were swift to condemn the latest attacks.

But the BBC's Pakistan correspondent, Barbara Plett, says there is a feeling among senior officials in Islamabad that India has acted too hastily in linking the Mumbai attackers to Pakistan.

In the UK, officials denied reports that some of the attackers may have been British citizens of Pakistani origin.

The UK officials said had Indian authorities told them there was no indication so far that anyone shot or in custody was British.

A claim of responsibility for this week's attacks - the worst in India's commercial capital since nearly 200 people were killed in a series of bombings in 2006 - has been made by a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen.

However, most intelligence officials are keeping an open mind as the attacks have thrown up conflicting clues, BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Troops battle to end Mumbai siege

 

[smeaglegolum]

Arrested terrorist says gang hoped to get away
29 Nov 2008, 0515 hrs IST, TNN


NEW DELHI: The gang of terrorists who wreaked mayhem in Mumbai for three days were made to believe by their Lashkar bosses that they were not being sent on a suicide mission and that they would be coming back alive.

In a sensational disclosure made by Ajmal, the jihadi nabbed alive by Mumbai cops, the group had planned to sail out on Thursday. Their recruiters had even charted out the return route for them and stored it on the GPS device which they had used to navigate their way to the Mumbai shoreline.

This suggests that the terrorists were willing to undertake a mission which they knew would be very risky, but not necessarily suicidal.

Sources said that the bait of safe return must have been used by the recruiters to convince the wavering among the group to join the audacious plot against Mumbai.

Ajmal made another important disclosure: that all terrorists were trained in marine warfare along with the special course Daura-e-Shifa conducted by the Lashkar-e-Toiba in what at once transforms the nature of the planning from a routine terror strike and into a specialized raid by commandos.

Battle-hardened ATS officials are surprised by the details of the training the terrorists were put through before being despatched for the macabre mission. This was very different from a terrorist attack, and amounted to an offensive from the seam, said a source.

Ajmal has revealed the name of his fellow jihadis all Pakistani citizens as Abu Ali, Fahad, Omar, Shoaib, Umer, Abu Akasha, Ismail, Abdul Rahman (Bara) and Abdul Rahman (Chhota).

The account of Ajmal also strengthens the doubt of the complicity of powerful elements in the Pakistani establishment. According to him, the group set off on November 21 from an isolated creek near Karachi without the deadly cargo of arms and ammunition they were to use against the innocents in Mumbai. The group received arms and ammunition on board a large Pakistani vessel which picked them up the following day. The vessel, whose ownership is now the subject of an international probe, had four Pakistanis apart from the crew.

A day later, they came across an Indian-owned trawler, Kuber, which was promptly commandeered on the seas. Four of the fishermen who were on the trawler were killed, but its skipper, or tandel in fishermen lingo, Amarjit Singh, was forced to proceed towards India. Amarjit was killed the next day, and Ismail the terrorist who was killed at Girgaum Chowpaty took the wheel.

A trained sailor, Ismail used the GPS to reach Mumbai coast on November 26. The group, however, slowed down its advance as they had reached during the day time while the landing was planned after dusk. The group shifted to inflatable boats, before disembarking at Badhwar Park in Cuffe Parade.

From there, they mandated to kill indiscriminately, particularly white foreign tourists, and spare Muslims split up into five batches. Two of them Ismail and Ajmal took a taxi to Victoria Terminus. Three other batches of two each headed for Oberoi Hotel, Cafe Leopold and Nariman House. The remaining four went to Taj Hotel.


He may have been motivated enough to kill innocents indiscriminately. In police custody, Ajmal Amir Kasab, the terrorist who was caught alive by the Mumbai police at Girgaum Chowpatty, has been forthcoming with details about the attack on Mumbai and his accomplices, all suspected Lashkar operatives from Pakistan.

Kasab, who sustained minor injuries in the police firing that killed his partner Abu Ismail (25) on Wednesday night, was produced before the Esplanade Metropolitan Magistrate on Friday. The magistrate remanded him to police custody till December 8. Incidentally, Kasab and Ismail were the two who gunned down ATS chief Hemant Karkare, additional CP Ashok Kamthe and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar.

Kasab told the police that he and 9 others got off a vessel about 10 nautical miles from Mumbai and shifted to two boats hijacked from fishermen.

One source in ATS familiar with the details of the interrogation quoted him saying that in all 16 fidayeens came to Mumbai on Wednesday. A native of Faridkot in Azad Kashmir (***), 21-year-old Kasab told police they had done a reccee of Mumbai few months ago. He said he had come along with eight of the operatives to Mumbai as students and lived in a rented room at Colaba market, a stone's throw away from Nariman House.

 

[Keysersoze]

Wow all that training and he spills the beans about the plot in roughly the same time it takes for me to type this! the Indian secret service should be sent to all major incidents! they have miraculous powers of deduction!

Frankly the reports are laughable. Anyone remember the reports of the "bombing" of a train a few years back? and what emerged a long time later?

 

[Flintlock]

Mumbai attacks: Are they British?

British police have flown to India to establish whether any of the terrorists who killed 150 people in the Bombay massacre had links to the UK.


By Damien McElroy in Bombay and Gordon Rayner
Last Updated: 11:53PM GMT 28 Nov 2008

Mumbai's chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh said two "British-born Pakistanis" were among eight gunmen captured alive during bloody shoot-outs with soldiers.

The Daily Telegraph has also learnt that the terrorists monitored international reaction to the attacks on British newspaper websites and on Arabic websites popular in the north of England.

Gordon Brown said it was still too early to say whether any of the terrorists were British-born, while the Home Office said it had "no knowledge" of any UK suspects.

As the siege at one Mumbai hotel entered its third night, further gunfire and explosions were heard at the Taj Mahal hotel after a day of fighting between the terrorists and Indian commandos.

Security officials said “three or four” gunmen were still inside the hotel building with all hostages freed, according to reports.

Meanwhile, officers from Scotland Yard were working alongside their counterparts in Mumbai to confirm the nationalities of the killers.

One commando leader described how suspicions of a British link had been raised when investigators examined BlackBerry mobile phones seized from some of the captured Islamic extremists, which they had used to monitor the internet.

General Noble Thamburaj, head of India's southern command, told the Telegraph: "There was a lot of content from the English media, not just in London but the Urdu and Arabic sites that are very strong in the north of England.

"We have some analysis started on this and we will pass it on to Scotland Yard."

Gen Thamburaj said at least five of the terrorists had used BlackBerrys to monitor British websites.

The use of BlackBerrys by the terrorists to monitor international reaction to the atrocities – and to check on the police response – provided further evidence of the highly organised and sophisticated nature of the attacks.

Two of the killers were members of staff at the Taj Mahal hotel, according to one report, and two others were staying there as guests, enabling them to plan the attack and gain an edge over security forces by familiarising themselves with the layout of the labyrinthine Edwardian building.

Last night, at least one gunman was still holding commandos at bay inside the Taj Mahal, where gunfire, explosions and fires continued throughout the day.

Asked about a possible British link to the attacks, Gordon Brown said he had spoken to his Indian counterpart, Manmohan Singh, and: "At no point did he suggest to me that there is evidence at this stage of any terrorists of British origin, but obviously there are huge investigations that are being done."

Britons were among 93 people freed from the Oberoi hotel as commandos finally ended the siege there.

They included Mark Abell, a lawyer from London who had earlier spoken to the Telegraph from his hotel room to describe his ordeal, and who said he was now looking forward to "going home and seeing my wife".

Soldiers described horrific scenes as they found 24 bodies in the Oberoi, while another 50 bodies were found inside the Taj Mahal hotel as soldiers cleared all the guest rooms.

A siege at an orthodox Jewish centre in Mumbai came to a bloody end when the building was stormed by special forces. A Rabbi and his wife were among five hostages who were shot dead by their captors before the Indian soldiers could free them.

One Briton – businessman Andreas Liveras – was killed in the attacks and at least seven were injured, including Michael Murphy, a teacher from Northumberland who remains in intensive care, and Harnish Patel, 29, from Havant, Hants., who is being treated for three gunshot wounds.

Mr Patel was in the Café Leopold when the attacks began on Wednesday night.

He said: "A gunman walked in and that was it. He kept showering us with shots. I was so lucky – the guy just took one look at me and showered the whole side of the bar. It's unimaginable. Luckily, he didn't keep his finger down because if he did, I'd be gone."

British tourists arriving back at London airports said they had almost given up hope of surviving the sieges.

Jonathan Chitty, who was caught in a bar next to the Taj Mahal hotel as the terrorists went on the rampage, said: "I was in a store cupboard for about an hour-and-a-half. I felt helpless.

"We were just waiting for them to come upstairs and desperately hoping that they wouldn't. It was so crammed and there was no escape, there was no means to defend ourselves. I thought, 'I'm dead'."

The Indian security forces faced growing accusations that they had bungled their response to the attacks, with one British official saying: "They are supposed to set up a command centre in complete control as their first priority. Instead they arrived and went in guns blazing.

"It was blind. They didn't have maps of the hotels, yet there terrorists had done enough reconnaissance to use the service facilities to manoeuvre."

A senior Indian special forces source said: "There were far too many command centres with each one trying to best the other which led to confusion and delayed operations.

"There appears to have been a lack of detailed, precise planning."

Mumbai attacks: Are they British? - Telegraph

 

[smeaglegolum]

Remember, this time the culprits are caught. So whatever he say (and there are ways to make him speak) will be used to deduct what happened and how they did it. So comparing it to 'train blasts' and trying to put a blanket on this is ridiculous.

 

[haviZsultan]

Please look at this which is shared by an Indian themselves:

Rediff iShare: 2nd Terrorist speaks from Nariman house

They say Indias playing a khoon ki holian of muslims. I think this is actually a pure muslim rebellion. Muslims have simply rebelled against Indian rule. These people are from hyderabad. Anyone can tell from their speech that it is hydz accent. This language is seen as slang and no one in Pakistan has the ability to twist his mouth to talk like this.

India is facing a rebellion from the Muslims of India

The other guy says he is from hyderabad but Indians try to make a lier of him. He is talking like hyderabadi. I lived for short while & been there so i knw...

Rediff iShare: Terrorists speaks

 

[smeaglegolum]

Please look at this which is shared by an Indian themselves:

Rediff iShare: 2nd Terrorist speaks from Nariman house

They say Indias playing a khoon ki holian of muslims. I think this is actually a pure muslim rebellion. Muslims have simply rebelled against Indian rule. These people are from hyderabad. Anyone can tell from their speech that it is hydz accent. This language is seen as slang and no one in Pakistan has the ability to twist his mouth to talk like this.

India is facing a rebellion from the Muslims of India

The other guy says he is from hyderabad but Indians try to make a lier of him. He is talking like hyderabadi. I lived for short while & been there so i knw...

Rediff iShare: Terrorists speaks

I'm from Hyderabad, he was definitely not speaking Hyderabadi. So don't give this BS.

 

[Flintlock]

India is facing a rebellion from the Muslims of India

Feels good to say that right? Kinda reassuring, comforting?

Well, wait and watch, while the investigation, which is being jointly carried out by Indian Agencies, FBI, and Scotland Yard, takes away your comforts slowly but surely.

 

[haviZsultan]

Remember, this time the culprits are caught. So whatever he say (and there are ways to make him speak) will be used to deduct what happened and how they did it. So comparing it to 'train blasts' and trying to put a blanket on this is ridiculous.

Well he will be in Indian captivity so we will never know the truth and what he really said so...

Deccan Mujahideen has taken responsibility for this attack not only by the speech of the terrorist but also by the admission made by them in an e mail.

Comeon dude.

Cheer up buddy. U need to chill out!

If I were you I'd go to kamathipura... bet there'd be many woman who want to be comforted rite now...

 

[haviZsultan]

Feels good to say that right? Kinda reassuring, comforting?

Well, wait and watch, while the investigation, which is being jointly carried out by Indian Agencies, FBI, and Scotland Yard, takes away your comforts slowly but surely.

Nope its not comfort. Its called entertainment.
Thats what this thread has become...

Flintlock u've been running around this page f4 quite a while. Ever since yesterday if i remember maybe even before...

Aren't u tired?

U knw what u need. U need to hunt down the hindu extremists and RAW guys.

Asli mein does'nt it appeal to ur conscious that the cops who were leading investigations into the malegaon blasts were actually killed? This was the first bombing ever blamed on hindu fanatics even though its more than clear many others are done by the hindu fanatics as well...

 

[Flintlock]

Its official - after accepting our PM's generous request to share Intel and jointly investigate the attacks, the Pakistani establishment has predictably done a U-turn and is sending some lower official instead of the ISI Chief.

 

[Keysersoze]

Remember, this time the culprits are caught. So whatever he say (and there are ways to make him speak) will be used to deduct what happened and how they did it. So comparing it to 'train blasts' and trying to put a blanket on this is ridiculous.

yawn! Sorry dude but ever heard the saying "orgy of evidence"? and the chances of having a trail like this discovered without digging for a while is next to zero. I think this "plot" discovery stinks like last weeks fish. Even the U.S. Govt took longer to discover the trail behind 9-11 and the "AMAZINGLY EFFECTIVE" Indian police did it in less.

Oh and the train blast which was blamed on Muslims turned out to be a fire but for years people like you blamed Pakistan.

So I suggest to all you private investigators stop perpetuated half truths and idiocy until there has been a proper investigation (preferably one involving Interpol and similar organisations).

 

[haviZsultan]

Feels good to say that right? Kinda reassuring, comforting?

Well, wait and watch, while the investigation, which is being jointly carried out by Indian Agencies, FBI, and Scotland Yard, takes away your comforts slowly but surely.

Was that a veiled threat directly to me?