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Yaar I don't think there's anything wrong with going to India. Or maybe Indians can come to Pakistan. Either way that would help the investigation.

But you know politicians. The opposition parties are making a huge fuss over this and will use this against the government! So eventually they will not let him go.

i will never say you wrong ever .its happens when all indian media show our cheif as a crimnal.and when most of pakistani tv channels show what indian tv ankers show there pablic as our respected DG ISI.we want copreate and they want drama. so why not pablic show anger.all pakistani partyes now going to oppose this.we are same pakistani with praud and respect do any thing.if 150 people killed in india so we lsoe our respect praud no way every day in incedent 100 people die in india.:angry:
 
We SHOULD NOT send him there, under no circumstances…not until the Indians learn some bloody respect and stop pretending that they have the authority or credibility to summon our leaders. We should not oblige ourselves to India’s PR wimps especially if those imaginings are aimed towards our honor.
 
He has begged Zardari to help him save some face. Which is why Zardari agreed to send him there.

Why on earth would someone beg to Zardari in te first place...In fact I think the vice versa must have been true. When was the last time any Pakistani leader in recent times(Inluding Mushy) was known to have stood his ground.

The man has something tangible and he wants to clear misunderstandings. Like I said the populace is rearing for blood so better to clarify things rather than a full blown combat.

You underestimate the man.He stands on his ground. In India MMS, NSA and Army GHQ don't mince words...
 
Your forum should either be fully neutral or it should admit that the word of a Pakistani troll here is worth more than any responsible Indian member.

You cannot keep assuring Indian members that you are not biased and yet continue to expect them to have much higher standards than you yourself exhibit.
Stop calling each other trolls!

That is a purely Admin/Mod decision.
 
Why on earth would someone beg to Zardari in te first place...In fact I think the vice versa must have been true. When was the last time any Pakistani leader in recent times(Inluding Mushy) was known to have stood his ground.

The man has something tangible and he wants to clear misunderstandings. Like I said the populace is rearing for blood so better to clarify things rather than a full blown combat.

You underestimate the man.He stands on his ground. In India MMS, NSA and Army GHQ don't mince words...
ISPR said they are yet to decide whether or not to send him...

Where's all your "summoning" now? :D

That is where your hubris will get you. You're dependent upon us, not the other way round.
 
I guess I left this page when it was about 35-45 pages long , now in 6 hours it's 100+ pages and everyone is going around in circles , the same bloody thin g. Round and Round and Round.

If the resident Pak members find any post offensive then don't reply to it , think of the post as one made by less IQ

Same goes for the Indian guys and a certain Chinese too (this is not a wepons exhibition)

The thread was on the mumbai attack , so please post updates and condolences , by playing a slanging match - It's an insult to the dead and suffering.
 
Yaar I don't think there's anything wrong with going to India. Or maybe Indians can come to Pakistan. Either way that would help the investigation.

But you know politicians. The opposition parties are making a huge fuss over this and will use this against the government! So eventually they will not let him go.

I think its a positive and ground breaking move on part of both Pakistan and India,

Most Western Analyst say that its very unlikely that the Pakistan Govt or ISI will involve itself in killing Israeli, US, UK or Japanese citizens.

That would be the last nail in their precarious financial situation. However these people getting training, comming from Karachi or being guided by LET is a very open possiblity.

Since the FBI, Scotland Yard and MOSSAD have openly joined the investitigations the ISI Chief's comming here would be good since the evidence will be neutral and un-doctered.

The only drawback is that if the captured terrorists and the the ones killed are traced to Pakistan. This will be damning and one must not forget while Pakistani egos (especially on this forum) will be bruised if India demanded something, Pakistan cannot offend USA, UK, Germany and Japan whose citizens died.

Lets wait and watch.

Regards
 
If you can make your assumption, i can make mine. I am as lame as you are no more, no less.
Ah now that the crisis is over, I don't have to feel sorry for trolls any more. I can start being trigger happy with the ban button again. I think this Admin team has been VERY tolerant with all parties involved. Sadly some of you folks just want a mile for every inch that is offered.
 

KARACHI, Nov 29 (IPS) - The terrorist attacks unleashed in the Indian port city and financial hub of Mumbai continue to reverberate through Pakistan at a personal level and on the media.

The crisis, that began Wednesday night and lasted through Friday, dominates conversation, newspaper headlines, television coverage and Internet chatter on indigenous websites and e-mail lists run by Pakistanis at home and abroad.

As a frontline state in United States’ global ‘war on terror’ Pakistan is only too well acquainted with the effects of terrorism, with such attacks in the country having more than doubled and the number of deaths quadrupling from 2006 to 2007, according to a report released in May by the U.S. State Department.

However, even the most high profile attack in Pakistan which destroyed the Marriott Hotel in the capital Islamabad on Sep. 20, that some analysts termed Pakistan’s ‘9/11’, pales in comparison to the events in Mumbai that have claimed over 155 lives already, that many are now calling India’s ‘9/11’.

A group of at least 25 men armed with assault rifles and handgrenades attacked 10 sites in Mumbai and then barricaded themselves inside two of the city's finest luxury hotels, the heritage Taj Mahal and the Oberoi Trident, as well as a building housing a Jewish centre.

By the time commando squads flushed out the buildings, 155 people lay dead, among them 22 foreigners.

There has been widespread condemnation in Pakistan against the violence in Mumbai, from ordinary people and non-government organisations as well as from the Pakistan government which has offered "complete cooperation" and support to India to fight the menace.

The Mumbai attacks, hitting in the midst of the fifth round of the ongoing composite dialogue between India and Pakistan, are likely to have wide-ranging repercussions for India and Pakistan relations and for the international community at large.

Analysts note that such attacks tend to take place whenever the South Asian neighbours are engaged in talks and peace initiatives. Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi had barely started his four-day visit to New Delhi to review the dialogue process when the attacks took place.

Pakistan and India tend to blame each other for terrorist activities within their borders, although over the past year they have been less quick to point fingers. This time too, New Delhi did not immediately blame Pakistan, but later claimed to have arrested a militant with Pakistani links. The Pakistan government has strongly denied involvement.

Commentators in Pakistan point to the huge intelligence failure in India to detect the amassing of arms and training that have enabled such a large number of militants to hold Mumbai hostage for over two days now. They also criticise New Delhi’s apparent reluctance to look within India’s own borders at its various indigenous insurgencies.

"All of India’s intelligence agencies have failed," comments Farrukh Saleem, who heads the Centre for Research and Security Studies, an independent think tank in Islamabad, "The most critical element in their collective failure is their overwhelming focus on Pakistan-based militant groups."

He believes that the intensity of this focus has allowed India’s home-grown militant entities "to spread like wildfire" that, according to South Asia Terrorism Portal, afflicts at least 231 of India’s 608 districts.

These insurgent and terrorist movements include three distinct types, "left-wing extremist, separatist and religious", wrote Saleem in a front page analysis in daily The News on Nov. 28. "In 2006, a total of 2,765 Indians died in terrorism-related violence (that same year, 1,471 Pakistanis died similarly)."

Another analyst, who declining to be named, suggests that South Asian countries band together for joint military operations in the areas known to be breeding grounds for militancy against the guerrilla groups operating in different areas in the region.

In New Delhi, Qureshi stressed that India and Pakistan are both victims of terrorism. He said there was a need to strengthen the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism and "revisit our strategies for peace and security of the region."

"Terrorism is a global phenomenon. We in Pakistan deal with it on a daily basis," Qureshi said. "We will have to join all our resources to fight the menace."

In an unprecedented gesture, Islamabad agreed to send its intelligence chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, the new director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to India at Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s request.

Pakistan’s civilian government in another groundbreaking move has recently disbanded the political wing of the ISI, often blamed for fomenting political trouble in the country and abroad.

"I feel a great fear that (the Mumbai violence) will adversely affect Pakistan and India relations," prominent Karachi-based feminist poet and writer Attiya Daud told IPS. "I can’t say whether Pakistan is involved or not, but whoever is involved, it is not the ordinary people of Pakistan, like myself, or my daughters. We are with our Indian brothers and sisters in their pain and sorrow."

Daud said she is still in shock from the events in Mumbai, a city she has often visited. "Such a beautiful city, so many people’s livelihoods and so much art and culture associated with it… It is so painful to see what is happening there. I watch the television coverage and remember standing at one of those spots watching street theatre..."

Others, like Karachi-based businessman Tahir Siddiqui, believe that events in Mumbai will force greater cooperation not only between India and Pakistan but also between other countries engaged in combating terrorism.

"Pakistan can’t afford to open any more fronts," Siddiqui told IPS. "We have to cooperate in this fight. I think any support within Pakistan to militants will decrease significantly now, including in Kashmir."

He added that the situation in Mumbai is "basically the symptom of a larger problem – the imperialist world’s continuing support to dictatorial regimes across the Muslim world, from Indonesia to Morocco. This lack of democracy marginalises people and holds back development. This is a wake-up call to address these issues."

On a personal level, what can citizens do? ‘Resist fear!’ advocated Islamabad-based peace activist Shahid Fiaz in an email to friends in India and Pakistan. "I know how it feels when your cities are attacked. After the Marriot Hotel bombing and continued suicide bombings around the country, people go out less - markets and restaurants have a deserted look."

Fiaz, who is on the National Council of the Pakistan-India People’s Forum for Peace and Democracy (PIPFPD), the largest people-to-people initiative between the two countries, told IPS that fear is what the terrorists want to achieve. "We need to come out and resist and tell terrorists that these are our cities, we own our cities and we are not scared!"

"We in Pakistan understand and share the pain, anger and grief of the people of India, as we are also victims of terrorism including daily suicide bombings in one part of the country or the other," said Iqbal Haider, co-chairman of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) and a former federal minister for law and human rights.

"Instead of accusing each other, which will only help the real terrorists, the need of the hour is unity and understanding among the people of our region. We need to make concerted efforts to defeat the nefarious aims of these terrorists and eradicate these extremist religious militants or mafias from every nook and corner of South Asia."

In the final analysis, what is certain is that there will be no progress towards peace without determined political will.
 
ISPR said they are yet to decide whether or not to send him...

Where's all your "summoning" now? :D

That is where your hubris will get you. You're dependent upon us, not the other way round.

All western news agencies and your Foreign Minister have confirmed it. I think its a mutual decision maybe pressurised by UK and US discreetly.

Regards
 
I think its a positive and ground breaking move on part of both Pakistan and India,

Most Western Analyst say that its very unlikely that the Pakistan Govt or ISI will involve itself in killing Israeli, US, UK or Japanese citizens.

That would be the last nail in their precarious financial situation. However these people getting training, comming from Karachi or being guided by LET is a very open possiblity.

Since the FBI, Scotland Yard and MOSSAD have openly joined the investitigations the ISI Chief's comming here would be good since the evidence will be neutral and un-doctered.

The only drawback is that if the captured terrorists and the the ones killed are traced to Pakistan. This will be damning and one must not forget while Pakistani egos (especially on this forum) will be bruised if India demanded something, Pakistan cannot offend USA, UK, Germany and Japan whose citizens died.

Lets wait and watch.

Regards
The problem is Indians have started to say "We've summoned the ISI chief and he will be answerable to us". Who knows they might just kill him in India.

Indians aren't behaving responsibly which is leading to Pakistanis to say that maybe Indian investigators should come and meet the ISI chief in Pakistan. It was a goodwill gesture which unless the President himself intervenes now, will not happen. The ISI still reports to the Army which reports to the President. The PM had promised to send the ISI chief there.
 
Like Mr. Powell begged Musharraf with the "with us or against us" request?

Some habits die hard I guess, again with the completely pointless topic change. India is not a bloody super-power, Pakistan has fought India numerous times before and India itself has employed these 'underhand' terrorist tactics against Pakistan (with very bloody results) which it is accusing us of today...no need to be so indignant. No need to be so damn superior either...You can’t give Pakistan the "with us or against us" speech because we have been against your blind ambitions all along and that won’t change...so stop being delusional and think of something original for once.:disagree:
 
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