Multiple Terrorist groups claim Wagah Border attack, 55 people killed.

[Omega007]

Had the great Soviet union succeed in its ambitions- along with india worse would have happened to Pakistan- there would have been no Pakistan to worry about the mess to start with-

Too far fetched a thought.

 

[Armstrong]

This ideology, which was foreign to many Muslim countries, is now fully localised. One thing I must commend the Saudi's on is that they have changed a religion to their particular version with great success. Religions have always been changed to differing types, but this might be the most successful example of all times.

Add the Iranians to that too; the Ayatollahs haven't really been benign either !

 

[PunjabLion]

every blast in india is celebrated with fire crackers in india
yesterday watched few scum bags in india today FB page getting mad with hapiness
yesterday was dewali n eid for india

 

[T-Faz]

I agree with you to a limited extent. Yes, they haven't addressed the root cause and they are much more lenient towards the fundamentalists who attempt to spread their tentacles outside Saudi Arabia. The strict control applies only to those within.

However, the situation is complex. After all, Ibn Saud came to power largely based on endorsements from Salafist leaders. Those endorsements, to this day, form the basis of the tribal alliances that hold the KSA together.

I'm not claiming the Al Saud are a great force of global progress. However, in the context in which they operate, they have kept the fundamentalists at bay and tried to change things slowly. This is probably why the fanatics spend so much time, money and effort in spreading their version of Islam abroad. Their deal with the al Saud probably doesn't allow them to carry out those activities within the KSA.

They don't have to do much in KSA, considering the country is theirs for the taking. Consider this, the people of Hejaz who were the traditional rulers of the holy cities of Islam don't have much of a role in its development or upkeep. The rulers of Najd, the Al-Saud, in collaboration with the Wahabbi's have taken over the most important region in Islam, while being foreigners to it. Since then, they can only spread it abroad.

 

[asquare]

They don't have to do much in KSA, considering the country is theirs for the taking. Consider this, the people of Hejaz who were the traditional rulers of the holy cities of Islam don't have much of a role in its development or upkeep. The rulers of Najd, the Al-Saud, in collaboration with the Wahabbi's have taken over the most important region in Islam, while being foreigners to it. Since then, they can only spread it abroad.

There are plenty of 'unislamic' activities in KSA for the Wahabbis to go on a rampage over. They don't because of the political deals involved. I suppose you could call it selective Wahabbism.

 

[Kloitra]

my statement is more of at a strategic level . my grief is that instead of some encouragement or acknowledgement that we are confronting these terrorists, we not only get mocked but also disrupted in our operations by instigating cross border firing on the eastern borders or massing up troops. e.g. during our south Waziristand and Sawat operations, India mobilized its forces and we were forced to disengage from our operations and respond to Indian aggressive moves. and the other grief I have is that the punks like Hafiz Saeed etc feel vindicated and get a field day advocating war fever and fear mongering against India.

Give us some time. When we are over the grief we felt for what happened in past 3 decades, we can accept you no longer use your strategic depth against us and no longer hold moral support for some non-state actors, likes of Hafeez Saeed are not your national heroes any more, Dawoods aren't given sanctuary, Saeed Sheikhs and Masood Azhars are not roaming free in your cities, we will acknowledge your handwork. Right now our own wounds hurt so much that it is hard to feel your pain. It is too soon for us to be encouraging you, given you are only chopping the heads of snakes you so fervently raised.

 

[jaunty]

Give us some time. When we are over the grief we felt for what happened in past 3 decades, we can accept you no longer use your strategic depth against us and no longer hold moral support for some non-state actors, likes of Hafeez Saeed are not your national heroes any more, Dawoods aren't given sanctuary, Saeed Sheikhs and Masood Azhars are not roaming free in your cities, we will acknowledge your handwork. Right now our own wounds hurt so much that it is hard to feel your pain. It is too soon for us to be encouraging you, given you are only chopping the heads of snakes you so fervently raised.

Personally I do feel the pain of the innocent people that are getting killed or injured in these terrorist attacks, it is impossible not to. However, it would probably take some time before the state of Pakistan and the "establishment" get my sympathy.

 

[Kloitra]

Personally I do feel the pain of the innocent people that are getting killed or injured in these terrorist attacks, it is impossible not to. However, it would probably take some time before the state of Pakistan and the "establishment" get my sympathy.

Exactly. I have my sympathies with people as well. But there is a deep sense of distrust/dislike towards the authorities, the ones who sought a death by thousand cuts to India.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

However, it would probably take some time before the state of Pakistan and the "establishment" get my sympathy.

I hear you dear. you are justified and I might say the same

my request is only to feel for or at least acknowledge the sacrifices pf innocent people and all those medics, soldiers, doctors, teachers, clerics journalists, writers .. etc who have paid with their lives by confronting this religious extremism and terrorism.
even if you dont. my sympathy is unconditional hence I said earlier that I feel the same for the innocent no matter which country is affected by this terrorism.

 

[Bang Galore]

Appreciate Indians for what? Was there any mention of Indians in my post or video?

What are you going on about?

 

[karan.1970]

Personally I do feel the pain of the innocent people that are getting killed or injured in these terrorist attacks, it is impossible not to. However, it would probably take some time before the state of Pakistan and the "establishment" get my sympathy.

The crux of the matter though is that for most common folks in India, its very difficult to disassociate Pakistani establishment from Pakistani public

 

[pursuit of happiness]

No they can not manage the water we give them they waste it! not my words but Pakistan newspapers reporting it. Again to hide the crimes of their own government they must blame India for their water shortage.

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i know..but people here who are opinion makers ... cant throw that thing without proof..
if india did as they claim .. make india accountbale to ICJ
either they are lying or they dont care about their people..in anyway onus to proce lies with them

 

[Dubious]

And you are ignorant.

"
'Sharization' of Pakistan[edit]
The Islamic conservatism and the Islamic state became Zia's primary policy of his military government.[2][2] The secular-socialist orientation and socialist economics process was an attempt to upset to Pakistan's order of operation on a routine life, as Zia maintained.[2] General Zia rejected Bhutto's philosophy and was reported to highly hostile of Bhutto's philosophical rationale, "Food, clothing, and shelter".[2] General Zia defended his policies in an interview in 1979 given to British journalist Ian Stephens, as he puts it.

The basis of Pakistan was Islam. The basis of Pakistan were Muslims in the subcontinent are a separate culture. It was the Two-Nation Theory that carved out of the Subcontinent as Pakistan.... Mr. [Zulfikar] Bhutto's way of flourishing way of This Society was by eroding its moral fiber. Mr. Bhutto.. eroded the moral fiber of the society by pitching students against teachers, children against their parents, landlord against tenants, workers against mill owners. Pakistan is not incapable of economic production. It is because Pakistanis have been made to believe that one can earn without working.... We are going back to Islam not by choice but by the force of circumstances. It is not I or my [military] government that is imposing Islam. It was the 99 percent of people wanted; the street violence against Bhutto reflected the people's desire of wanting— just as the campaign for Pakistan Movement. I am just giving the people [of Pakistan] what they want.

—General Zia-ul-Haq interview giving in 1979 to Ian Stephens, [2]
On 2 December 1978, on the occasion of the first day of the Hijra to enforce the Islamic system in Pakistan in a nationwide address, Zia accused politicians of exploiting the name of Islam:"Many a ruler did what they pleased in the name of Islam."[68] After assuming power, the government began a program of public commitment to enforce Nizam-e-Mustafa (Islamic System), a significant turn from Pakistan's predominantly secular law, inherited from the British. As a preliminary measure to establish an Islamic society in Pakistan, Zia announced the establishment of Sharia Benches.[68] To many secular and communist forces, Zia cynically manipulated Islam for the survival of his own regime.[68]

Madrassa Expansions[edit]
Zia-ul-Haq increased the number of Madrassas from 893 to 2,801 during his years in office. A total of 64% of these madrassas were Deobandi, while the remaining 25% were Barelvi.[72]Under the Zia-ul-Haq regime, Pakistan experienced its first state sponsorship of these types of institutions.[73]"

Ok I have read enough of your posts on Zia...Try looking at Bhutto too...Mind you only wrong Zia did was attack USSR via Afghanistan by shaking US hands!

Bhutto and islamization in pakistan

Maybe if you read more than Wikipedia you would understand better..

Your own wiki shows What Zia did which you wont find in today´s Pakistan:

When General Zia ul-Haq, the former military ruler of Pakistan, introduced new laws to make Zakat deductions mandatory for every Muslim during the 1980s, Tehrik-e-Jafaria held a large public demonstration in Islamabad to compel the government to exempt the Shia Muslim community from this law. This protest resulted in the ‘Islamabad Agreement’ in which the government agreed to introduce a separate syllabus for Shia students in public schools, as well as exempt the Shia community from the Zakat law, since Shia consider Zakat as a personal tax (to be paid to the needy) not collectable by the state. According to one senior Pakistani journalist who witnessed these events, Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeini played an important role in this agreement being reached, and he sought assurances from General Zia al-Haq that Shia demands would be met. A message from Ayatollah Khomeini was also read out to the Shia protesters in Islamabad in which he called for them to keep up their spirits

 

[pursuit of happiness]

on the contrary, the mission statement of your national security adviser is to hit and bleed Pakistan internally.
and since the change of Govt.I see a flurry in activity among terrorists belonging to ethnic, sectarian or global Islamist outfits.
you guys then chide us for our support of these terrorists in the past in our proxy wars against Soviets. but the fact is that none of their leaders have any Kashmir or Afghanistan experience, have never been part of any such organisation and only came into being to either kill shias or Hazaras and Punjabis in Baluchistan and rest of the country.
yes the sectarian outfits benefit greatly through Halal dollars of our Saudi brothers but until and unless Uncle Sam doesnt put his boot on the neck of Saudis ... we cant touch them (its the matter of religion too) but we cant ignore the other opportunists who find it beneficial that Pakistan suffers.. what other fitting way to discredit 2 nation theory and question the creation of Pakistan?

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he mission statement of your national security adviser is to hit and bleed Pakistan internally.

even if i accept your point on face value ...
then what this ,,,
Pakistan trying to bleed India through a thousand cuts: Official.
was pak establishment was not involved in attak in india and afg on indian embassy ...
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newton law apply here too

1. Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

 

[Shabi1]

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he mission statement of your national security adviser is to hit and bleed Pakistan internally.

even if i accept your point on face value ...
then what this ,,,
Pakistan trying to bleed India through a thousand cuts: Official.
was pak establishment was not involved in attak in india and afg on indian embassy ...
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newton law apply here too

1. Third law: When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body.

By that logic, then there should be a equal reaction for what India did in 1971.

The amount of damage India has done and is continuing to do covertly to Pakistan. By your definition Pakistan is justified and has a lot to make up.

So the Newton argument is a stupid argument to make. Grow up and let us live in piece, stop being the regional bully and treat your neighbors as equals. No justifications for deaths of innocents.