Mullah Omar ready to end al-Qaida ties

[waraich66]

That's okay, Taliban should have surrendered but they didn't then all the deaths are on them from that point on.

Who has given authority to US and on which basis to attack a independent country without any solid evidence against OBL?????

Talaban were agreed to handover OBL if they were provided any solid evidence against OBL ,in this case who is guilty???????

Similarly there was no reason to attack Iraq????

Who is responsible for genocide of one million Iraqis US or SADDAM?????

 

[FreekiN]

Really now, dont change the subject. I thought this thread was about Mullah Omar and his Al Qaeda ties.

Take your rants somewhere else. We are discussing the issue of Taliban and their retarded friends called Al Qaeda.

 

[Desert Fox]

Really now, dont change the subject. I thought this thread was about Mullah Omar and his Al Qaeda ties.

Take your rants somewhere else. We are discussing the issue of Taliban and their retarded friends called Al Qaeda.

its funny how now that we have proved you guys wrong, you want to get back on topic!

 

[FreekiN]

its funny how now that we have proved you guys wrong, you want to get back on topic!

Wrong about what?

 

[Desert Fox]

Wrong about what?

hmm, nothing!

 

[Awesome]

Who has given authority to US and on which basis to attack a independent country without any solid evidence against OBL?????

Talaban were agreed to handover OBL if they were provided any solid evidence against OBL ,in this case who is guilty???????

Similarly there was no reason to attack Iraq????

Who is responsible for genocide of one million Iraqis US or SADDAM?????

Whereas the guilt of 9/11 wasn't established in a court of law, the fact that OBL was behind it is sort of a given.

Also, the fact of the matter is, that our ally in Afghanistan was a crude terrorist that we would never wish upon our own people. Remember one thing, we supported the Taliban for the lack of better choices and national interest, not for their ideology that no one except for (evidently from your example) fringe corners of the Mullahocracy wriggling its way for some attention.

Keeping our national interest aside the US can justify its actions against a tyrant, a Mullah, a cruel man who harbored Osama Bin Laden a known enemy of the US - whose Embassy bombings cases have already been proven.

In the future you may just see Pakistan support some elements of the Afghan Taliban minus a few people. This would again only emanate from national interest emerging from India's influence within Afghanistan. It will not be for his holiness.

As long as Taliban is alive, the whole madarass culture would be revived. Young Muslim kids from around the world (especially Pakistan) would keep aspiring to go to the Taliban for training. This false title of Amir ul Momineen would attract the young and wreckless and they would continue on becoming suicide bombing trolls for MO.

Yes MO has conducted suicide bombings against Afghanis as well, not in Pakistan sure, but against Afghanistan he has it done routinely even against non-combatants.

 

[Awesome]

Please clear you concept about Islamic governance , MO was not authorised to give any order for beating of women, he was not the King of Afghanistan but servent or Khalifa or amir rul momineen , Qazi and Shourah was responsible for implementation of any Shariah Law.

In Islamic system of government Khalifa or Amir is servent not the ruler

Tell me this wherever Taliban have ruled (Afghanistan, North Waziristan, Swat), haven't they been beheading people and beating up women? Other than banning things, impeding human rights and forcing their point of views upon people, the warlords know no other type of Islam to implement.

What did those Nifaz-e-Islamiyat people do? Flog a woman on the streets? I don't know about you guys but I'd be mighty pissed off if Mullahs did that to the women I'm related to. Heck I was mighty pissed off just to see that happen to a fellow Pakistani. Are you guys fighting for Nifaz-e-Shaytaniyat instead?

 

[Always Neutral]

Tell me this wherever Taliban have ruled (Afghanistan, North Waziristan, Swat), haven't they been beheading people and beating up women? Other than banning things, impeding human rights and forcing their point of views upon people, the warlords know no other type of Islam to implement.

What did those Nifaz-e-Islamiyat people do? Flog a woman on the streets? I don't know about you guys but I'd be mighty pissed off if Mullahs did that to the women I'm related to. Heck I was mighty pissed off just to see that happen to a fellow Pakistani. Are you guys fighting for Nifaz-e-Shaytaniyat instead?

Actually I would really like to see if anybody who defends these practices would ever allow it to happen to their loved ones ?

If Allah, God (Jesus), Any Hindoo God allowed it I would say we don't need them.

My question to you AA is how can clear laws of the Al Mighty be so misused. Can't he see it and clarify ?

Regards

 

[TechLahore]

Look what is happening by the orders of Mullah Omar.

YouTube - Taliban women abuse

This is the reality of Mullahs, and Mullah Omar deserves to be beaten like this woman was beaten.

Real ba$tards, these guys. They deserve a good and proper hiding.

 

[S-2]

"Yes MO has conducted suicide bombings against Afghanis as well, not in Pakistan sure, but against Afghanistan he has it done routinely even against non-combatants."

My God but he has.

Last year the taliban killed 1630 of 2412 innocent afghan lives lost in this conflict-an increase of 41% from the previous year and over two-thirds of the total lives lost.

Of those 1630 lives lost by the taliban's hand, 1054 died from IEDs and suicide attacks. The rest were targeted assassinations of individuals and targeted attacks upon communities.

Meanwhile, the FIREPOWER heavy ISAF killed 595 civilians. This represented a 28% DECREASE in the total lives lost from 2008 by their hand.

ISAF down. Taliban WAAAAY UP. 1630 versus 595. Nearly 3:1. Huge difference and a hell of a cost for the privilege of caliphate at the hands of the power-hungry Taliban.

This isn't anything new either. For those who've tracked this data, the taliban have steadily killed at a greater rate with each year while ISAF's proportion of deaths have fallen.

Those are the facts.

Here's the link.

UNAMA Calls For Safety First As Civilian Casualties Rise By 14% In 2009

 

[waraich66]

"Yes MO has conducted suicide bombings against Afghanis as well, not in Pakistan sure, but against Afghanistan he has it done routinely even against non-combatants."

My God but he has.

Last year the taliban killed 1630 of 2412 innocent afghan lives lost in this conflict-an increase of 41% from the previous year and over two-thirds of the total lives lost.

Of those 1630 lives lost by the taliban's hand, 1054 died from IEDs and suicide attacks. The rest were targeted assassinations of individuals and targeted attacks upon communities.

Meanwhile, the FIREPOWER heavy ISAF killed 595 civilians. This represented a 28% DECREASE in the total lives lost from 2008 by their hand.

ISAF down. Taliban WAAAAY UP. 1630 versus 595. Nearly 3:1. Huge difference and a hell of a cost for the privilege of caliphate at the hands of the power-hungry Taliban.

This isn't anything new either. For those who've tracked this data, the taliban have steadily killed at a greater rate with each year while ISAF's proportion of deaths have fallen.

Those are the facts.

Here's the link.

UNAMA Calls For Safety First As Civilian Casualties Rise By 14% In 2009

S2,

Every body know who is funding UNO ,again you are repeatedly giving their statistics as reference making your argument more weaker.

Why dont you provide any neutral or unbaised reference for some weightage in your propaganda campaign?

In fact Talaban have very stronge roots in Afghan society, why they kill their supporters???????? Height of non sense

 

[TechLahore]

You dont have logical reply , just using blame game nothing else

You are a real piece of work. I don't think you would understand logic if you were hit with it between the eyes.

You completely failed to address the point I made regarding massive differences in the muslim community concerning succession as soon as the Prophet passed away. If there was a single, reliable way of determining succession that everyone in the muslim world had bought into, that would be one thing. But that is not and never was the case. In the absence of such a system, allowing people to choose their future themselves is the only option.

You can keep crying hoarse about khilafat, but the fact is that there was never a single method used to appoint the khalifa.

The day is not far when we will get our Ata Turk and he will rid Pakistan of the pestilence that is these myopic, retrogressive hijackers of Islam who pervert the message of God and sit in judgement over every one as if they were Allah mian's private secretaries.

 

[S-2]

Who supports the taliban, please? What nation stands behind them?

"Why dont you provide any neutral or unbaised reference for some weightage in your propaganda campaign?"

Where is your "data" that I might do so?

Thanks.

.

 

[TechLahore]

Once again, very sad indeed. Your argument lacks both character and content. Don't misquote the Quran to win a petty net debate.

It's interesting you made the father/son analogy. Justice Javed Iqbal, Allama Iqbal's son, has on numerous occasions acknowledged that Allama Iqbal did in fact drink... This flies in the face of your argument. You would have a son deny an open, commonly known fact about his father - who happens to be a public figure? Why? Could it be that it is *you* who is insecure about our national heroes to the point where you would like to hide/lie about them? Well, you may be, but I am not. Iqbal was great despite his faults. And you obviously missed it in your desire to pen a quick retort, but that was my point...

By lying about your heroes, you do them a disservice and discredit yourself. Be brave about history. Don't propagate untruths just to feel better about yourself or to tend to those chips on your shoulder. Fundamentalist and his ilk are quick to judge and condemn, when an individual's personal conduct - given that it does not harm society - is none of their bloody business. The man might have some faults but may still, on the whole, be a great asset to humanity. Iqbal is the perfect example of this. Seen through the petty filter of binary judgement which too many mullah-parasts have taken to, everyone other than their own carbon copies is doomed to hell. You may think of your God and religion in this way, but I do not.

There is no compulsion in the matter of religion is a verse of the Quran which I did NOT misquote. So first of all, please learn the proper meaning of words before using them to hurl accusations. "Misquote" would mean that I wrote the verse to be other than what it is.

Now, coming to the context of the verse... You are claiming that this verse only concerned the Kuffar of Mecca. Well, newsflash! The Kuffar of Mecca are no more. They are dead and gone. So if one follows your line of logic, this ayat is now irrelevant because the situation it applied to is no longer present?? Of course it isn't! The fact is that we have free will and whether we adhere to precepts of religion or not is for us to decide. No one can stuff religion down our throats. Something that illiterate mullahs (and illiterate TV preachers of the christian persuasion) tend to have a penchant for. This is what "no compulsion in the matter of religion" translates to.

We've become a society obsessed with people's personal acts - how someone dresses, why they drink, how they pray, what someone does in the confines of their own home - and we have very little time/consideration left for the larger issues that afflict us. We are often told by the mullah brigade that the only reason why things aren't going wonderfully for us is because we don't pray enough, or that some amongst us claim to be muslims but drink... if that is really the extent of their analysis or the depth of their thinking, then good luck to them! You are free to follow them or focus your energy on denying historical facts, and the rest of us are free to follow the proverbial path the Prophet highlighted that takes men to China in pursuit of knowledge.

 

[waraich66]

Who supports the taliban, please? What nation stands behind them?

"Why dont you provide any neutral or unbaised reference for some weightage in your propaganda campaign?"

Where is your "data" that I might do so?

Thanks.

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Data is not the issue here , please focus and try to understand what is need of Afghan society in general regarding rule of law and religion.

You have tried to sell your recipe( democracy) but could not succeed ,try to understand for Afghan and Muslim the five principles of Islam (Qalma,Namaz,Haj,Zaka,Ruza) and their compliance is very important because they believe that life after this life is eternal but dependent on this life (50 or 60 years).

To comply these five principles they need conducive evironment which democracy could not provide that is reason Islam is not only religion it is way of life , you know governments in Canada and USA providing Islamic financial system for muslim because it is very important for them to continue their life in these non muslim majority countries.

Better read about Islamic rule of law it is totally in contradiction with democratic way of government . Your all funding for peace in Afghanistan and lose of lives are in vain if you could not provide them system of government which they actually need.