Mujib's Search for the Fact about the Killing of Pakistan Army

[Sugarcane]

Hebrew is Jews holy language, but Urdu is not holy language of Muslim. In fact Urdu is a epic failure, it failed to convert north India into Muslim majority.

So, what you think - Arabic should have been imposed?

 

[BDforever]

As @Armstrong already said, Urdu was selected because it wasn't associated with any ethnic group of Pakistan (except migrants) but still was an Indian language mostly associated with Muslims - Otherwise I think Punjabi is superior language, Pashtun think Pashtu is superior, Baluch & Sindhi think their language superior. I gave example of Isreal because it suites, Jews from all over the world came there who used to speak different languages but the agreed to adopt Hebrew for sake of nation.

if urdu was not associated with anyone, where did it come from ? a created language ?

It wasn't an imported language - We all were multi lingual & you don't end up with a lingua franca by importing one you do it after it has grown organically over there for centuries !

can explain it more details ?

 

[Moander]

It wasn't an imported language - We all were multi lingual & you don't end up with a lingua franca by importing one you do it after it has grown organically over there for centuries !

Had we been following your rationale, right now, us Punjabis being in the overwhelming majority reserve the right to make Punjabi the official language of Pakistan & yet we don't because we're not as self-centered as you lot who didn't give two hoots about National Cohesion !

If Bengal haven't joined Pakistan you would have made Punjabi as national language, but now its too late so you are stuck with Urdu. If you were compromising before the problem wouldn't occur.

 

[BDforever]

So, what you think - Arabic should have been imposed?

it would be same epic fail, religion is not related with language.

 

[Moander]

So, what you think - Arabic should have been imposed?

Personally i would mind Arabic as its the language of Holy Qur'an, but Urdu i don't think so.

 

[johnny boy]

if urdu was not associated with anyone, where did it come from ? a created language ? ]

First of all lets understand the Origins of Urdu
1. Urdu was a Royal Court language of the Mughals.
2. It was majorly still a royal language and the language of the people of North India back then(i.e India + Pakistan) was Hindi/Punjabi.
3.Urdu=Persian + Hindi.
4. It later was spoken by the masses .
5.Today it is spoken by many North Indians and Pakistanis alike.

 

[Sugarcane]

it would be same epic fail, religion is not related with language.

Than why not Punjabi

 

[BDforever]

if urdu was not associated with anyone, where did it come from ? a created language ? ]

First of all lets understand the Origins of Urdu
1. Urdu was a Royal Court language of the Mughals.
2. It was majorly still a royal language and the language of the people of North India back then(i.e India + Pakistan) was Hindi/Punjabi.
3.Urdu=Persian + Hindi.
4. It later was spoken by the masses .
5.Today it is spoken by many North Indians and Pakistanis alike.

Urdu or more precisely Standard Urdu, is a South Asian language in the Indo-Aryan branch in the Indo-European family of languages. It is the national language and lingua franca of Pakistan. It is also an official language of five Indian states and one of the 22 scheduled languages in the Constitution of India.

Based on the Khariboli dialect of Delhi, Urdu developed under the influence of Persian, Arabic, and Turkic languages over the course of almost 900 years.[7] It originated in the region of Uttar Pradesh in the Indian subcontinent during the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1527), and continued to develop under the Mughal Empire (1526–1858). Urdu is mutually intelligible with Standard Hindi spoken in India. Both languages share the same Indo-Aryan base, and are so similar in basic structure, grammar and to a large extent vocabulary and phonology, that they appear to be one language. The combined population of Urdu and Standard Hindi speakers is the fourth largest in the world.

Mughals hailed from the Barlas tribe which was of Mongol origin, the tribe had embraced Turkic and Persian culture, and resided in Turkestan and Khorasan. Their mother tongue was the Chaghatai language (known to them as Turkī, "Turkic") and they were equally at home in Persian, the lingua franca of the Timurid elite. But after their arrival in the Indian subcontinent, the need to communicate with local inhabitants led to use of Indo-Aryan languages written in the Persian alphabet, with some literary conventions and vocabulary retained from Persian and Turkic; this eventually became a new standard called Hindustani, which is the direct predecessor of Urdu.

 

[Sugarcane]

Personally i would mind Arabic as its the language of Holy Qur'an, but Urdu i don't think so.

How about non-muslims?

 

[Armstrong]

If Bengal haven't joined Pakistan you would have made Punjabi as national language, but now its too late so you are stuck with Urdu. If you were compromising before the problem wouldn't occur.

On the contrary no one from the Punjab or any one of our other provinces raised such a divisive demand that was counterproductive to forming Nationhood as One body made of many other smaller units.

Had the Bengalis not been half as self centered as they were - None of this would have occurred !

But I suppose it is our fault after all, we had a couple of indications of these & we should have separated much before '71 !

 

[BDforever]

Than why not Punjabi

if you talk about democracy, majority vote goes to bangla.

But I suppose it is our fault after all, we had a couple of indications of these & we should have separated much before '71 !

i agree with this part.

 

[Armstrong]

if urdu was not associated with anyone, where did it come from ? a created language ?

Of course, as all languages are created ! Where do you think Punjabi came from ? Or Pashto or Bengali or Baluchi or any other language ? They were all born out of other languages that predated them. Similarly Urdu was created due to the conjunction of so many of languages that visited this area; everything from Persian, Arabic & Turkic to our local languages caused its birth !

And it was precisely because of this reason why it was understood by the vast majority of the Muslims & Non-Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent as Hindustani which later split into Urdu & Hindi as they both evolved into different directions; one more Persian influenced whilst the other more Sanskrit influenced.

can explain it more details ?

Explained it above - It grew out of a necessity to communicate between people who spoke different languages & so over the years it evolved by incorporating all of them languages in some way ! Hence it was born as a Lingua Franca & continued as a Lingua Franca.

 

[Sugarcane]

If Bengal haven't joined Pakistan you would have made Punjabi as national language, but now its too late so you are stuck with Urdu. If you were compromising before the problem wouldn't occur.

Certainly not - because Punjabies are not afraid that they will lose their identity if they learn any other language. We have sacrificed most for nation.

 

[BDforever]

Of course, as all languages are created ! Where do you think Punjabi came from ? Or Pashto or Bengali or Baluchi or any other language ? They were all born out of other languages that predated them. Similarly Urdu was created due to the conjunction of so many of languages that visited this area; everything from Persian, Arabic & Turkic to our local languages caused its birth !

And it was precisely because of this reason why it was understood by the vast majority of the Muslims & Non-Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent as Hindustani which later split into Urdu & Hindi as they both evolved into different directions; one more Persian influenced whilst the other more Sanskrit influenced.

'Created' is wrong word, language takes shape not been created

 

[Moander]

On the contrary no one from the Punjab or any one of our other provinces raised such a divisive demand that was counterproductive to forming Nationhood as One body made of many other smaller units.

Had the Bengalis not been half as self centered as they were - None of this would have occurred !

But I suppose it is our fault after all, we had a couple of indications of these & we should have separated much before '71 !

Well, you guys were too happy that you didn't have to learn inferior Bangla. If you guys were rational you would have followed the normal trend which is followed around the world. Don't forget we muslim Bangali's made Pakistan.