Mujib’s memoirs - Hamid Mir

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

I'm not a Punjabi but a Muhajir FYI. Secondly Punjabis were fair enough, as Pakistan had bigger land & bigger borders to take care so they did fair distribution of budget & stop this $h1t of Punjabi this & that, it is Pakistanis. Bengalis only joined Pakistan cuz they knew without Pakistan their departure from india was impossible, you played your cards well, Pakistan did mistake not to follow Allama Iqbal's dream & 1940 plan. But everything happens for good. Pakistanis are innocent peoples & if Bdsh after rejection from Pakistan would be occupied by india, many Pakistanis would blame itself & not forgive itself, so God knows maybe it was all better.

Everything was made suspisious by your mujib & further when he declared indepandance he himself called troubles for his people. He live peacefully & happily munching parathas & kebabs in West Pakistani jails while poor people become terrorists & worked for his cause. If he had talked whole West Pakistan would've supported him. But what he did was better for both Pakistan & Bdsh.






mutki terrorists were being trained long before the operation started, believe it or not. And mostly Pak Army was in West Pakistan @ Kashmir region, Pakistan trusted Bengali officers & rely on them for Eastern part but maybe they were also part of that game.

It is the other way around... After formation of muslim league target was to form muslim country thats why Bengali people supported it. Even with out west Pakistan, Bangladesh would have formed but for West Pakistan Bangladesh had to give even concession of land. Kolkata was traded with lahore, Khaza Nazimuddin did not talk with King of Tripura when he came to Bangladesh to join. There were many other issues.

Shaikh Mujibor Rahman declared independence only after starting of the operaion search light as there were no alternative when genocidal army started killing our own people and raping of woman. It is your greedy politicians and fat headed general's greed to remain in power created all the mess. Things would be different if power would have been handed over peacefully. Instead power hungry traitor Bhutto was just after power and behind the order of Operation search light.

By the way then you are muhajir!!! Still I guess you are not treated equally as Pakistanis. I have seen also Pakhtuns become really angry if we call them even Pakistani or heard about any Punjabis. Then just imagine what was the treatment of East Bengalis those who were marginalized in every sector. Despite 63% of the population only 33% of the budget used to allocate for them, Pakistan used to take away all the foreign currency and kept the East Pakistani poor.

No your west Pakistani soldiers were in command in every places. No east pakistani troops or admin were in higher ranks. Stop talking crap that freedom fighters were trained in 67 when most of the people were innocent civilians and people like farmers, rickshaw puller etc. They had their family and was needed to work to lead their family. Keep all this crap to you.

Watch what the reporter say after the report of village massacre where woman were raped before her children and husband and then burnt alive and then even killing of infant took place...

Come out of this mythical stuff like freedom fighter took training in 1967 ... More then 200K people took part in freedom fighting and mostly ordinary people they do not have the financial luxary to go to take training leaving behind their family. But they did only after starting of the genocide...

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Some Bangladeshis are asking something for 40 years, and Pakistanis are ignoring that for 40 years.

So who is the winner and who is the loser? If Pakistan never gives what BD wants, Bangladesh is the loser.

Had there been no AL and its lie, I would have asked for apology to PK.

I hate Mukti/71 topic.

Many Pakistanis are aware of the fact that what Pakistani army did in 1971 ... They are also aware of the genocide and all the mis deeds. This thread starting article is a proof of that.

But only some politicians are keeping a denial mode as they have thought lie and distorted history in the school books which has been mentioned by Hamid Mir.

Even Imran Khan openly asked for apology for 1971.

Imran demands apology from Pakistan to Bangladesh - thenews.com.pk

Even in Islam it has been asked not to back away from your legal demand. Truth always comes in front and it always win.

There is no doubt even among most Pakistanis not handing power after 1970 election and starting of operation search light is the prime reason for the break up.

 

[FireFighter]

Are you a brain dead or illiterate??? There were no mukti bahini on March 26, 1971. This was just tips of the ice burg ... Pakistani soldiers commit genocide by killing professors, students, bengali police, ansar and army officer, Awami league activits, hindus and raping countless innocent woman during the operation search light with cold blood which prompted the declaration of independence during 1971. The main reason to create fear among Bengalis so that they stop demanding power which they were demanding after the election win of Shaikh Mujibor Rahman.

Bro do not resort to personal attacks. If you would like to debate on an issue, must back it up with evidence rather than name calling.

Mujeeb was indeed a traitor, and remains to be. The fact that his ego was much bigger than the country he was serving.

It is well known and documented fact that India had been devising plans after receiving several blows during the war of 1965.

Mujeeb has also known to make secret trips to India during 65-70.

Not denying the massacres/attrocities, but they are a lot more exaggerated by the separation forces at work. Mujeeb became the father of the nation and won, while Pakistani/bangladeshi people lost. History is always written by the victor so to speak.

Bangladesh is far worse today, with no potent Army nor a stable Economy so to speak. With a subservient political elite to its Indian creators, will remains to be at the mercy of their masters for a very long time who will keep feeding you guys anti-pak venom to justify their stay in power.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Most importantly Parmez Musharaf partially agreed about the crime that was committed. This is only the Bhutto family and party which is denying apology as it knows if it do the same this party will be vanished as it will be held liable for the break up obviously Bhutto will be the main culprit.

I guess you know it will Ayub Khan wrote that it is Bhutto which is responsible for the break up of Pakistan.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Bro do not resort to personal attacks. If you would like to debate on an issue, must back it up with evidence rather than name calling.

Mujeeb was indeed a traitor, and remains to be. The fact that his ego was much bigger than the country he was serving.

It is well known and documented fact that India had been devising plans after receiving several blows during the war of 1965.

Mujeeb has also known to make secret trips to India during 65-70.

Not denying the massacres/attrocities, but they are a lot more exaggerated by the separation forces at work. Mujeeb became the father of the nation and won, while Pakistani/bangladeshi people lost. History is always written by the victor so to speak.

Bangladesh is far worse today, with no potent Army nor a stable Economy so to speak. With a subservient political elite to its Indian creators, will remains to be at the mercy of their masters for a very long time who will keep feeding you guys anti-pak venom to justify their stay in power.

This is the other way around. Bangladesh do not spend more on army as it has still lots of poor people and lots of infrastructural development is required along with increase of power supply.

Regarding economy it is doing much better then Pakistan and you can not deny that. In export earning Bangladesh has crossed Pakistan. Even in 1990 Bangladesh was behind Pakistan in social indicator but now it is ahead. No Indian dependency is not gonna do anything to Bd as Bangladesh economically is not much dependent on India but India is exporting more to Bangladesh. I can assure you in Bangladesh there are more anti India feeling then anti Pakistan feeling. The crime that was done in 1971 if Pakistan asked apology for that it will go away.

Shaikh Mujib was not even present during the whole 1971 war. Then how come he was the traitor?? It is the freedom fighters those who fought to liberate the country. If Mujibor Rahman would be puppet of India he would not ask Indira Gandhi to take out Indian army. Yes he could visit India and could maintain contact though there is no such proof but all was done cause of continuous discrimination by the west Pakistani elite towards the east Pakistan.

This article also pointed out this. Shaikh Mujib is a traitor this is what tought in Pakistan hiding the true history and all the bad deeds the politicians of Pakistan did at that time. Shaikh Mujib was very loyal to the cause of Pakistan. Only after the discrimination he changed his heart and mind.

 

[UKBengali]

Bro do not resort to personal attacks. If you would like to debate on an issue, must back it up with evidence rather than name calling.

Mujeeb was indeed a traitor, and remains to be. The fact that his ego was much bigger than the country he was serving.

It is well known and documented fact that India had been devising plans after receiving several blows during the war of 1965.

Mujeeb has also known to make secret trips to India during 65-70.

Not denying the massacres/attrocities, but they are a lot more exaggerated by the separation forces at work. Mujeeb became the father of the nation and won, while Pakistani/bangladeshi people lost. History is always written by the victor so to speak.

Bangladesh is far worse today, with no potent Army nor a stable Economy so to speak. With a subservient political elite to its Indian creators, will remains to be at the mercy of their masters for a very long time who will keep feeding you guys anti-pak venom to justify their stay in power.

Agree about the army but strongly disagree about the economy.

BD has been having relatively fast growth for the last 2 decades. The growth rate is predicted to be around an average of 7% this decade.

In the end BD will get a strong military as it's economy will be able to afford it.

It was the lack of money that meant the military has been kept weak.

As BD gets stronger both economically and military, India will gradually have less and less influence in the country.

 

[American Pakistani]

It is the other way around... After formation of muslim league target was to form muslim country thats why Bengali people supported it. Even with out west Pakistan, Bangladesh would have formed but for West Pakistan Bangladesh had to give even concession of land. Kolkata was traded with lahore, Khaza Nazimuddin did not talk with King of Tripura when he came to Bangladesh to join. There were many other issues.QUOTE]

lol, without West Pakistan your country would never be formed, did you see what happened to Hyderabad Deccan who was still not sure either to join Pakistan or declare indepandance, same would be your course. kolkata traded with Lahore is a joke, if kolkata was your city you could've fought for it just like West Pakistanis fought for Kashmir.

Shaikh Mujibor Rahman declared independence only after starting of the operaion search light as there were no alternative when genocidal army started killing our own people and raping of woman. It is your greedy politicians and fat headed general's greed to remain in power created all the mess. Things would be different if power would have been handed over peacefully. Instead power hungry traitor Bhutto was just after power and behind the order of Operation search light..

mujib had already declare indepandance when he presented his six points though it was not formal one. All polititions including Bhutto & mujib were power hungry but atleast Bhutto didn't made any plans with india to break South Punjab, Balochistan & Sind(his strongholds). mujib was the most greedy.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Was Bhutto the Catylist for the Creation of Bangladesh ?


Was Bhutto the Catylist for the Creation of Bangladesh ?

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ZA Bhutto was a charismatic leader of Pakistan, but he had a major role in the breakup of Paksitan.


Zulfikar Ali Bhutto the ex-leader of the Pakistan Peoples Party is a man who ignites strong passions. Many people in Pakistan swear by his name. However many others assert that he was just a gas bag who did more harm than good for Pakistan. In this connection the role of Bhutto in the break up of Pakistan is worth examining.

Creation of Pakistan.

Pakistan was carved out of India in 1947.The basis for the creation of Pakistan was the two nation theory that envisaged a separate homeland for the ******* of the subcontinent. Pakistan emerged in two parts separated by 1500miles of India. The two parts of Pakistan had nothing in common, except religion. The people had a different culture and spoke a different language. People in East Pakistan spoke Bengali, while in the west they spoke Urdu and Punjabi. Racially the East Pakistanis were comparatively dark-skinned and had a smaller body built than the West Pakistanis. In addition their culture was entirely different from the west. Generally they were considered inferior by the Punjabi’s. To compound matters, the resources of the eastern wing were diverted to the west. They also had much less representation in the army, police and other government jobs.



Most Pakistanis blame the Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi as the person who broke up Pakistan. However this is not entirely correct, though it cannot be denied that she exploited an opportunity to break up Pakistan. But the seeds of disintegration lay in Pakistan itself and ZA Bhutto will have to answer posterity for it. The important point is that the two nation theory of Jinnah and the Muslim league fell by the way side.

Victory of Sheikh Mujib.

East Pakistan was the more heavily populated state in Pakistan. Thus after the removal of General Ayub Khan in 1968, it had a greater number of seats in the Pakistan parliament. Sheikh Mujibar Rehman the leader of the Awami party articulated the sentiments of Bengalis and they in one voice supported him. In the 1970 elections called by Gen Yahiya Khan, the successor of Ayub Khan, the Awami league got the majority in the Pakistan Parliament.

The Awami league won 99% of the parliamentary seats in the east and emerged with a majority and logically the Sheikh should have been invited to form the government. But ZA Bhutto whose party had won in the west was loathe to hand over power to the Bengali leader. Though he won 60% of the seats in the western wing he was in a minority and this played heavily on his psyche. He started a campaign against handing over power to the Awami party.

Bhutto and the Crackdown of the Army.

This was a fatal mistake. The apologists for Bhutto have never been able to explain this stand of their leader, as it precipitated the break up of Pakistan. Egged on by Bhutto the Martial law administrator Yahiya Khan did not honor the verdict of the electorate and cases were filed against Sheik Mujibar Rehman for sedition. He was arrested and flown to Pakistan and put on trial. In the meantime Yahiya with complete support from Bhutto ordered a crackdown in the east and the Pakistan army started a campaign against the local Bengali leadership. Indira Gandhi of course took advantage of the situation and helped form the Mukti Bahini a revolutionary group, which wanted independence from Pakistan.

This action of the Army and the stand of Bhutto that he was the winner in West Pakistan and Mujibar a winner in the east added fuel to fire. Bhutto for personal ambition egged on the army and was responsible for the break up that took place. He was a brilliant man but with a convoluted logic. Born of a Hindu mother he seemed to harbor distinct megalomaniacal tendencies. This was the one single reason he did not allow power to be handed over to Sheikh Mujib. The rest is history as the Pakistan army was resoundingly beaten and the state of Bangla Desh was created.

Last Word

Bhutto in turn did become the Prime Minister of Pakistan, but his own army chief (General Zia-Ul-Haq) deposed him and after a farcical trial had him hanged. Much as one sympthizes with Bhutto on his hanging, the fact remains that men who ride the tiger are eaten by the tiger at some stage.

References Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan,His life and Times by Stanley Wolpert (1993) Harper

Zulfikar Bhutto and break up of Pakistan

 

[Skies]

Lo! the comparison begins again!

Is there anything that Bangladesh can produce but PK can't? I got only one thing which is manufactured in BD but not in PK. That is Human Insulin.

 

[A.Rafay]

Agree about the army but strongly disagree about the economy.

BD has been having relatively fast growth for the last 2 decades. The growth rate is predicted to be around an average of 7% this decade.

In the end BD will get a strong military as it's economy will be able to afford it.

It was the lack of money that meant the military has been kept weak.

As BD gets stronger both economically and military, India will gradually have less and less influence in the country.

Want to become an Automatic Nuclear POWER Too???

 

[eddie01]

Bangladesh is overpassing Pakistan in economic terms and are performing well. Keep it up BD

 

[Icewolf]

Lo! the comparison begins again!

Is there anything that Bangladesh can do but PK can't? I got only one thing which is manufactured in BD but not in PK. That is Human Insulin.

Anything BD can do PK can do 10x better

 

[American Pakistani]

By the way then you are muhajir!!! Still I guess you are not treated equally as Pakistanis. I have seen also Pakhtuns become really angry if we call them even Pakistani or heard about any Punjabis. Then just imagine what was the treatment of East Bengalis those who were marginalized in every sector. Despite 63% of the population only 33% of the budget used to allocate for them, Pakistan used to take away all the foreign currency and kept the East Pakistani poor.

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Who tells you all this B.S cr@ps? lol. I'm not consider equal Pakistani? There were no conditions on me when i was in Karachi, i was a free Pakistani citizen just like any other Pakistani. Pakhtuns become angry if you call them Pakistani, lol? Try saying this in front of Hyperion, Jana, AstonashKhan, Abu Zulfiqar, Taimi Khan, etc on this forum. I don't know who feeds you all this. West Pakistan has 47% population & 53% in East part where as West Pakistan has almost 90% land & hence large borders to defend.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

It is the other way around... After formation of muslim league target was to form muslim country thats why Bengali people supported it. Even with out west Pakistan, Bangladesh would have formed but for West Pakistan Bangladesh had to give even concession of land. Kolkata was traded with lahore, Khaza Nazimuddin did not talk with King of Tripura when he came to Bangladesh to join. There were many other issues.QUOTE]

lol, without West Pakistan your country would never be formed, did you see what happened to Hyderabad Deccan who was still not sure either to join Pakistan or declare indepandance, same would be your course. kolkata traded with Lahore is a joke, if kolkata was your city you could've fought for it just like West Pakistanis fought for Kashmir.



mujib had already declare indepandance when he presented his six points though it was not formal one. All polititions including Bhutto & mujib were power hungry but atleast Bhutto didn't made any plans with india to break South Punjab, Balochistan & Sind(his strongholds). mujib was the most greedy.

In Hyderabad Deccan muslim were minority and it was land locked as well but it was not the case with Bangladesh. No Pakistan was fighting for Kashmir as it was muslim majority state but kolkata was hindu majority. But in full Bengal Muslim were the majority but still there were movement for the unification of both the Bengal.

Shaikh Mujobor Rahman was one of them!!!

He had to declare the 6 point only after the 1965 war when west Pakistanis kept east pakistan defense less, west Pakistan was taking away all the foreign currency and was not doing any development of east Pakistan, there were discrimination in the job, in army bengali recruitment was less and there were many more issues. All these happened due to negligence of the west pakistani elites which they are still doing in Pakistan.

 

[Icewolf]

Pakhtuns become angry if you call them Pakistani? They have one of the largest percentages in our army and they are ones who did Kashmir operation... Maybe u are talking about Pathans of Afghan