Muhammad Bin Qasim

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Almost 50 years Later the Political Struggle resulted in formation of Pakistan by educated people

Interesting!!! Almost all (in the top picture when Ottoman Empire was existing) and many (when Ottoman Empire wasn't existing) of them wearing "Fez"...

North Pakistanis were for sure influenced by Qasim, without him further Islamic conquests may have never occurred.

He was executed by the Abbasid's purely because his uncle was a terrible person, Qasim himself did nothing wrong.

It is not an attempt to Arabise Pakistan, you guys are so paranoid.



If you can give me solid evidence Pakhtuns came from a Sahabi, I will only then believe you. Until then, I shall treat this story as it should be treated as: folklore.



Me being a Muslim is my choice, nobody imposed it upon me.

If my ancestors fought against Islam, yes, I'd side against them.

Some folks confuse Arab with Muslims.....

How can Arab invader be a Pakistani?

It was a Muslim conquest as per the rules of engagement of that time...

The point is, someone claiming that an arab general was the first “Pakistani” is clearly FALSE.

He was a Muslim general under a Muslim Empire sent to establish a Muslim rule (irrespective of race, creed etc.) over a distant land....

Muslim states don't mean all the inhabitants have to be Muslims (80% of inhabitants of the Ottoman Muslim state were non-Muslims at one point of time)....

 

[Desert Fox]

Muhammad Bin Qasim was a general of the Umayyad Khilafah who conquered modern day Sindh and Multan, starting what was to be the 1000 year long Islamic conquest of the Indian sub-continent.

The conquest was started as a result of pirates from the area capturing a ship, kidnapping all the Muslims on board. One of the kidnapped Muslims managed to escape and asked the Khilafah to rescue the rest of the kidnapped Muslims. This resulted in the Khilafah asking the current ruler of the area (Dahir) to release the prisoners and provide compensation for this misdemeanour, however, Dahir refused. This resulted in Muhammad Bin Qasim being tasked to conquer the region, even though he was still a young boy, only 17 years of age.

Muhammad Bin Qasim led an army initially consisting of 6,000 Syrian and Mawali (recent non-Arab converts to Islam) troops, however, another several thousand camel riders and other reinforcements were provided by the governor of Makran, along with 5 catapults. Many Gujjars and Meds also joined Muhammad Bin Qasim's army.

During the conquest of the region, Muhammad Bin Qasim acted fairly and justly, attempting to do as little economic damage as possible with as little casualties as possible (on both sides). He always gave the people he encountered the choice of surrendering peacefully, only if they refused and remained in adamant in fighting him would he use violence. Even then, Muhammad Bin Qasim only killed those belong to Ahl-i-Harb (combatants), which included Dahir himself. The majority of the people he encountered chose to surrender peacefully.

Once a new town was conquered, Muhammad Bin Qasim always incorporated the locals into his administration and (if they willed it) his army. He also opened the gateway for proselytism to occur.

His reasons for success were his superior battle tactics, his more advanced technology (e.g the Mongol bow), the fact that the current ruler (Dahir) was very unpopular among people of the region, and the fact that he incorporated the people of the region into his army and administration, rather than alienating them.

Muhammad Bin Qasim was eventually arrested and executed during the Abbasid revolution, due to his uncle being Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf (a person who was greatly despised by the Abbasid's).

The legacy of Muhammad Bin Qasim is a large one. He was the first Muslim ruler to gain large amounts of territory of the Indian sub-continent, arguably paving the way for future Islamic conquests and proselytism, as well as large migrations of Muslims to the region. Muhammad Bin Qasim is also considered to be the first Pakistani, as the idea of a Muslim homeland in the Indian sub-continent started after his conquests of the region. Yom-e-Babul Islam is also observed in Pakistan in his honour. There are also many places in Pakistan named after him, such as the Muhammad Bin Qasim library in Thatta, Bin Qasim town in Karachi, Ibn-e-Qasim Bagh stadium in Multan, Port Qasim (Pakistan's 2nd largest port), etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_bin_Qasim
http://historypak.com/muhammad-bin-qasim/

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as there is no connection between Mohammad Bin Qasim and Pakistan

If you mean directly, then of course not. However historically yes there is a connection because Muhammad Ibn Qathim's conquest was an Islamic one and thus introduced Islam to the subcontinent, laying the historical foundations for Pakistan.

 

[Hamza913]

Source please?

Al Baladhuri, a Persian historian.

 

[HariPrasad]

Hindustanis like yourself who are obsessed with race cannot comprehend being led by someone who isn't a North-Hindustani.

You cannot even comprehend that your ancestors came from the Caucasus, it's hilarious.

It's not your fault. Now tell me Abdali was second Pakistani people will only say whatever is taught to them.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

hahahaha Can't be first Pakistani as he was not National ID card holder

 

[Hamza913]

It's not your fault. Now tell me Abdali was second Pakistani people will only say whatever is taught to them.

He was was born in Multan and was a Pakhtun. He fought in the name of Islam and many people from his tribe (Durranis) live across Pakistan, one of them was most notably head of the ISI (Asad Durrani).

Also, there were literally dozens of Islamic conquerors between Qasim and Abdali. The conquests lasted for a thousand years, don't forget that.

You guys only see things through the lens of race, which makes much less sense then seeing things through the lens of ideologies. You will have far more in common with someone who shares the same ideals to you than someone from the same race who has different ideals to you.

hahahaha Can't be first Pakistani as he was not National ID card holder

Asalamu Alaikum

Then I guess Iqbal wasn't a Pakistani according to your logic.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We love "Selective" history

I don't find any connetion to Arab countries unfortunately apart from religious connection

Missing connection with Bin Qasim
1) I don't wear long apparel on head
2) I don't love horses
3) I don't like black robe on women
4) I don't quite understand the chopping head capital punishment
5) Never rode a camel in life
6) Never owned 10 Luxury cars
7) Never had impulse to take a tent and camp out in desert

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Missing connection with Persian influence in media

1) Colorful clothese and textiles is a mark of Pakistani culture shared with countries like iran

2) Similarities in food specially the meat stake or kaboobs with Iranians or other cultural influence

3) Pakistani love , Gardens and decroation , this is a trait of Persian culture of creating fablous Gardens and orchads. Shalimar Bagh (Garden to me) looks like very persian style influenced

Pakistani Garden

One of many gardens in Iran

Persian style bread, Bin Qasim never ate bread like such
This is not Bin Qasim Nan , but this is Persian Nan , which we call as Tandoori Roti

Iranian breakfast while this trait never became popular in Pakistan
but this pepermint tea became popular in arab (modern times)

Pakistani faces

Iranian girl

Similar features



Colorful Libas (clothes for women)

Some samples from Pakhtoon areas

General shadi dress

(Very beautiful model by the way)
The key element is love of colorful items



Traditional iftiyar item in Iran

Here is the Pakistani version

Iranian Chiken Tikka

Bin Qasim = Selective history

Imad wasim Pakistani cricket player

Iranian football player

Famous Olympic Gold winner player from Pakistan hasan sardar

Iranian football player

Quite similar type of faces

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is not extra oridinary to see some similarities between two neighbour regions iran / pakistan as in past these were quite connected over 1000 years


The regional history of Pakistan expands to 5,000 years



People of Turkey - Pakistan - Iran just have alot of similarties


If we romove the influence of 1980's saudi funded madrasa's in Pakistan there was close to 0% Saudi influence in Pakistan

Interesting!!! Almost all (in the top picture when Ottoman Empire was existing) and many (when Ottoman Empire wasn't existing) of them wearing "Fez"...


Some folks confuse Arab with Muslims.....


It was a Muslim conquest as per the rules of engagement of that time...


He was a Muslim general under a Muslim Empire sent to establish a Muslim rule (irrespective of race, creed etc.) over a distant land....

Muslim states don't mean all the inhabitants have to be Muslims (80% of inhabitants of the Ottoman Muslim state were non-Muslims at one point of time)....

Well the reason was that Turkey was a Prominent Islamic Center of world when this picture was taken this is 1906 (when Ottoman Empire existed in world). The Fez generally showed alliance of Pakistani's Muslims closely with Turkey

The Fez was 100% normal wear in most part of world Prior to WW1


Fez is still present in Egypt

Images from Morocco

 

[Hamza913]

We love "Selective" history

I don't find any connetion to Arab countries unfortunately apart from religious connection

Missing connection with Bin Qasim
1) I don't wear long apparel on head
2) I don't love horses
3) I don't like black robe on women
4) I don't quite understand the chopping head capital punishment
5) Never rode a camel in life
6) Never owned 10 Luxury cars
7) Never had impulse to take a tent and camp out in desert

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Missing connection with Persian influence in media

1) Colorful clothese and textiles is a mark of Pakistani culture shared with countries like iran

2) Similarities in food specially the meat stake or kaboobs with Iranians or other cultural influence

3) Pakistani love , Gardens and decroation , this is a trait of Persian culture of creating fablous Gardens and orchads. Shalimar Bagh (Garden to me) looks like very persian style influenced

Pakistani Garden

One of many gardens in Iran

Persian style bread, Bin Qasim never ate bread like such
This is not Bin Qasim Nan , but this is Persian Nan , which we call as Tandoori Roti

Iranian breakfast while this trait never became popular in Pakistan
but this pepermint tea became popular in arab (modern times)

Pakistani faces

Iranian girl

Similar features



Colorful Libas (clothes for women)

Some samples from Pakhtoon areas

General shadi dress

(Very beautiful model by the way)
The key element is love of colorful items



Traditional iftiyar item in Iran

Here is the Pakistani version

Iranian Chiken Tikka

Bin Qasim = Selective history

Imad wasim Pakistani cricket player

Iranian football player

Famous Olympic Gold winner player from Pakistan hasan sardar

Iranian football player

Quite similar type of faces

1. Certain styles of Turban in Pakistan do have a long garment hanging.
2. They are beautiful creatures, many in Pakistan use them for games and they were once prominent tools for warfare among both people from Pakistan and elsewhere.
3. It's Sunnah. If you don't like it, then it shows how much of a Muslim you are.
4. Like a rope or firearm is any better.
5. Same as the horses.
6. Neither did Qasim. Also, that point is rude and uncalled for.
7. Join the rest of us and do it, it's fun.

We have a lot in common with Iranians, no doubt about it. As for Turks, not so much but still some.
As for Arab countries, again, we have some connection to them. Our clothes, religion, heck even a lot of our words are similar.

Also, you still haven't proven Qasim is not a major part of Pakistani history. He was the first major Muslim
conqueror of the region, triggering the conquests that would bring Islam to the region. Many Pakistanis are also descended from the Arabs that started migrating to the region after his conquests. Their impact on our culture is also fairly substantial.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Decendents from Arabs I am sure they are


Mr Qasim , may have contributed to spread of Islam in region but most likely Islam would have already reached places due to trade of people between Iran-the regions now in pakistan

Easy to see the trade between areas would have spread Islam naturally as well

However , we also must talk about influence of Mongol Empire on Pakistani Regions

All the folks with name after Gangish "Khan" just did not happened out of coincidence


I have this one question about Bin Qasim Theory
Did he not came in 8th century

Why is Bin Qasim , shown to look like Shah Faisal of Saudi Arabia in Media ? hmm
Saudi clan did not even exist till 1800

So here is my theory

a) People in Pakistan are holding pictures of Shah faisal of Saudi Arabi calling it Mohammad Bin Qasim
b) In 1970's, 1980's on ward we started to get Saudi Funding for Madrasas

Seems to be some calculated spread of certain idealogy


Now I don't know who is this Mehlab Ibn Sufrah in year 664
But looking at pictures it seems Sahah Faisal of Saudi Arabia created Pakistan based on pictures

But it seems he (Mehlab Ibn Sufrah) revolted from Ummayad Dynasty and got his own little territory to rule

Don't think he was that concerned about making Pakistan

However in end , it was only Educated Muslims who made Pakistan

• They had no horses
  
• They had no Camels or Horses
• They had no swords
• They had no Guns
  
• They just has a idealogica statement and political movement

It is possible tomorrow Nawaz Sharif , will demand , it is put in books he created Pakistan




The Ummayads

Ali was assassinated in 661 by a Kharijite partisan. Six months later in the same year, in the interest of peace, Hasan ibn Ali, highly regarded for his wisdom and as a peacemaker, and the Second Imam for the Shias, and the grandson of Muhammad, made a peace treaty with Muawiyah I. In the Hasan-Muawiya treaty, Hasan ibn Ali handed over power to Muawiya on the condition that he be just to the people and keep them safe and secure, and after his death he not establish a dynasty. This brought to an end the era of the Rightly Guided Caliphs for the Sunnis, and Hasan ibn Ali was also the last Imam for the Shias to be a Caliph. Following this, Mu'awiyah broke the conditions of the agreement and began the Umayyad dynasty, with its capital in Damascus


Government Caliphate
Caliph
• 661–680 Muawiya I
• 743–744 Al-Walid II ------------> One of his General was Bin Qasim who was killed by Al Walid
• 744–750 Marwan II



Hasan-Muawiya treaty,
In 661 CE, after Ali's death, Hasan ibn Ali attained to the caliphate. There was a military conflict between Ahl al-Bayt and Muawiya ibn Abu Sufyan (see Battle of Siffin); and to avoid the agonies of a further civil war, Hasan signed the Hasan–Muawiya treaty with Muawiyah. According to the treaty, Hasan ceded the caliphate to Muawiyah, but were to name no successor during his reign but let the Islamic world choose their successor
afterward





Not not sure if Ummayad dynasty was "good" or Bad what do you think ?
The Bin Qasim perhaps was a brave man but he was himself killed by his King


And who was this Mehlab Ibn Sufrah?





I am just thankful these people (Educated folks existed ) and people who created schools to educate Muslims and find a polictial move to find peace

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Caliphate of Prophecy will last thirty years; then Allah will give the Kingdom of His Kingdom to anyone He wills.

Sa'id told that Safinah said to him: Calculate Abu Bakr's caliphate as two years, 'Umar's as ten, 'Uthman's as twelve and 'Ali so and so. Sa'id said: I said to Safinah: They conceive that 'Ali was not a caliph. He replied: The buttocks of Marwan told a lie.

سفینہ رضی اللہ عنہ کہتے ہیں کہ رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم نے فرمایا : ” خلافت علی منہاج النبوۃ ( نبوت کی خلافت ) تیس سال رہے گی ۱؎ ، پھر اللہ تعالیٰ سلطنت یا اپنی سلطنت جسے چاہے گا دے گا “ سعید کہتے ہیں : سفینہ نے مجھ سے کہا : اب تم شمار کر لو : ابوبکر رضی اللہ عنہ دو سال ، عمر رضی اللہ عنہ دس سال ، عثمان رضی اللہ عنہ بارہ سال ، اور علی رضی اللہ عنہ اتنے سال ۔ سعید کہتے ہیں : میں نے سفینہ رضی اللہ عنہ سے کہا : یہ لوگ ( مروانی ) کہتے ہیں کہ علی رضی اللہ عنہ خلیفہ نہیں تھے ، انہوں نے کہا : بنی زرقاء یعنی بنی مروان کے ۲؎ چوتڑ جھوٹ بولتے ہیں ۔

Reference : Sunan Abi Dawud 4646
In-book reference : Book 42, Hadith 51
English translation : Book 41, Hadith 4629
Grade : Hasan Sahih (Al-Albani) حسن صحيح (الألباني) حكم :

• Note the Ummayad Dynastiy started along 30 year mark after Prophet's death as predicted

Prophet Mohammad's Departing - 632
Ali'S Assasination - 661

29 Years

Hassan Ibn Ali - Had control in Madina for 7 months and political struggle with Ummayad Dynasty Head who was in 60's

Till he gave up power to Muawia معاوية بن أبي سفيان
بنو أمية‎

The Dynasty lasted 3 Leaders only ....but alot of territory was won and then lost

Muawiya (معاوية بن أبي سفيان) considered himself better equipped and more experienced to govern Muslim matters, and thought Hassan Son of Ali was not well prepared for tasks of Government and battles.

This issue of Bani Qasim really made me dig deep into Ummayad Dynasty bit
and later I stumbled upon the Prophecy about end of Caliphate

 

[HariPrasad]

You guys only see things through the lens of race, which makes much less sense then seeing things through the lens of ideologies

OK so to be a local or national, race or ethnicity is not important but ideology is decided factor i am amazed. The logic you guys come up with makes me speechless.

 

[Hamza913]

OK so to be a local or national, race or ethnicity is not important but ideology is decided factor i am amazed. The logic you guys come up with makes me speechless.

I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about who we as Muslims take as heroes. We take our heroes as those who are good Muslims, not whether or not they come from the same ethnic group as us.

Muhammad Bin Qasim is a hero for Pakistan in particular because he started the conquests which resulted in Pakistan's creation. He is the reason Pakistan exists today, because without people like him, Islam would not have spread across the region and there wouldn't have been a Pakistan.

Also, many Pakistanis are descended from those conquerors so yes they are our heroes.

 

[HariPrasad]

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I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about who we as Muslims take as heroes. We take our heroes as those who are good Muslims, not whether or not they come from the same ethnic group as us.

Muhammad Bin Qasim is a hero for Pakistan in particular because he started the conquests which resulted in Pakistan's creation. He is the reason Pakistan exists today, because without people like him, Islam would not have spread across the region and there wouldn't have been a Pakistan.

Also, many Pakistanis are descended from those conquerors so yes they are our heroes.

Ofcourse he should be your hero because he came to kill prophet Mohammad's family. Your another hero hero Abdali looted and burn your city and raped your women. You have so many such heros.

 

[Hamza913]

Of

Ofcourse he should be your hero because he came to kill prophet Mohammad's family. Your another hero hero Abdali looted and burn your city and raped your women. You have so many such heros.

No, he came to kill Dahir and free the captured Muslim women, conquering Sindh and southern Punjab was just a bonus.

Please don't bring up that myth about Dahir helping Rasulullah (Peace Be Upon Him) and his family, that story is simply not true at all.

Lol do you have any proof of Abdali and his army conducting mass rape? Also, he himself came from Pakistan, he was born in Multan. He was also a Pakhtun and had other ethnic groups such as the Baluchis work for him in his army. He fought in the name of Islam against the tyrannical Sikhs and Marathas, of course he will be our hero. Do you even know how many Durranis exist in Pakistan?

 

[HariPrasad]

No, he came to kill Dahir and free the captured Muslim women, conquering Sindh and southern Punjab was just a bonus.

Ohhhh is it? I think you must have learned this in Pakistani text book which are famous such stunning facts of history.