Muhammad Ali Jinnah - The Great Leader

[ghazi52]

Founding fathers knew Pakistan always existed.

Banner behind Mr Jinnah in Delhi 1943, "Pakistan Existed Since Centuries".

In 1944 Aligarh address, he said, "Pakistan is not product of conduct or misconduct of Hindus. It has always been there, only they were not conscious of it".
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[TOPGUN]

Not to break the party but there were many things about the man that not many of you know and they were not good at all will surprise you to know so but lets leave it to that, but sure very thankful to him for giving us our Pakistan.

 

[Menace2Society]

Not to break the party but there were many things about the man that not many of you know and they were not good at all will surprise you to know so but lets leave it to that, but sure very thankful to him for giving us our Pakistan.

Many men in history have a far worse track record than him, not naming names. So lets not leave it at that, how you about you leave it at that before we get into the topic of comparisons.

 

[TOPGUN]

Many men in history have a far worse track record than him, not naming names. So lets not leave it at that, how you about you leave it at that before we get into the topic of comparisons.

No one is perfect but its the truth so i will leave it that you are no one to tell me so, no one is getting in to topic comparisons specially not with you who doesn't know what he is talking about it !!!!!!!

 

[Maula Jatt]

Not to break the party but there were many things about the man that not many of you know and they were not good at all will surprise you to know so but lets leave it to that, but sure very thankful to him for giving us our Pakistan.

yeah everyone knows about it
but no one gives a shit

Judge a mans actions- he goes to his own grave you go to your own

Meanwhile we'll continue to celebrate his legacy as father of the nation, ain't no one stopping it

 

[TOPGUN]

yeah everyone knows about it
but no one gives a shit

Judge a mans actions- he goes to his own grave you go to your own

Meanwhile we'll continue to celebrate his legacy as father of the nation, ain't no one stopping it

I said in the end i am thankful to him for giving us Pakistan this is a forum and we get to talk about things thats just that and even said i will leave it that simply.

 

[TOPGUN]

His diet? Is that the issue. Is that your uncomfortable truth?

He delivered a nation and he didn't murder anyone in the process. That automatically makes him 99.9% better than any other leader in history.

Haha lolz diet you really don't know much about him leave it alone man go waste your time else where.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Haha lolz diet you really don't know much about him leave it alone man go waste your time else where.

you are talking about drinking, pork, being rich af living an affluent lifestyle, marrying non-muslim

everyone knows about it, literally a lot of people know about it,

he was an Ataturk type guy, wouldn't have taken BS from fundos
unfortunately died too early

 

[Menace2Society]

Haha lolz diet you really don't know much about him leave it alone man go waste your time else where.

There are people in history who have done far far worse and out of etiquette I won't start the comparisons because they are an eye opener for sure. You are doing that self loathing thing they teach you to do, be a good boy and collect your cookie now, good job. You didn't have to say anything here but you did anyway.

 

[TOPGUN]

There are people in history who have done far far worse and out of etiquette I won't start the comparisons because they are an eye opener for sure. You are doing that self loathing thing they teach you to do, be a good boy and collect your cookie now, good job. You didn't have to say anything here but you did anyway.

Why don't be a good boy and shut it up and stop making a scene of something that was let be, i think you are need of proper etiquette here.

you are talking about drinking, pork, being rich af living an affluent lifestyle, marrying non-muslim

everyone knows about it, literally a lot of people know about it,

he was an Ataturk type guy, wouldn't have taken BS from fundos
unfortunately died too early

Thank you for spelling out the truth and yes you are 100% right bro.

 

[ghazi52]

Death Anniversary of the Quaid.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah was the founder and first Governor-General of Pakistan till his death on 11th September 1948.
He worked in a frenzy to consolidate Pakistan. And, of course, he totally neglected his health. Jinnah worked with a tin of Craven "A" cigarettes at his desk, of which he had smoked 50 or more a day for the previous 30 years, as well as a box of Cuban cigars. He along with Fatima Jinnah flew to Quetta and then on the advice of doctors moved to Ziarat. His condition was worsening and he then weighed just over 36 kilograms. By 9 September, Jinnah had also developed pneumonia. Doctors urged him to return to Karachi, where he could receive better care, and with his agreement, he was flown there on the morning of 11 September. Dr Ilahi Bux, his personal physician, believed that Jinnah's change of mind was caused by foreknowledge of death. The plane landed in Karachi in the afternoon, Mr Jinnah was shifted to the ambulance but unfortunately, it broke down on the way and took about three hours to reach Government House.

Jinnah died later that night at 10:20 pm at his home in Karachi on 11 September 1948 at the age of 71, just over a year after Pakistan's creation.

Photo Courtesy: Saving Mr. Jinnah

 

[MultaniGuy]

you are talking about drinking, pork, being rich af living an affluent lifestyle, marrying non-muslim

everyone knows about it, literally a lot of people know about it,

he was an Ataturk type guy, wouldn't have taken BS from fundos
unfortunately died too early

Who are you talking about? There are certain things I admire about the Quaid-e-Azam, and there are certain things I disagree with him on.

Show proof of whoever you are talking about eating pork and drinking alcohol.

By the way, doing that just makes you a sinner and not an apostate from Islam.

Personally I believe Jinnah was not secular, but he was not a model Muslim either.

Why so much importance to one man? Chaudhry Rehmat Ali and others also wanted Pakistan as well.

I believe Jinnah's wife converted to Islam.

I also read somewhere Jinnah converted to Sunni Islam in 1901 when his sisters married Sunni Muslims.

I am aware Quaid-e-Azam was raised an Agha Khani before converting to the Sunni sect in 1901.
That may have shaped his views as a young adult.
As far as I am concerned nobody has a right to judge anyone, and Allah is the final judge.

Yes, Quaid-e-Azam was the leader of the Muslim League who pushed for and are credited in the history books for partition.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Who are you talking about? There are certain things I admire about the Quaid-e-Azam, and there are certain things I disagree with him on.

Show proof of whoever you are talking about eating pork and drinking alcohol.

By the way, doing that just makes you a sinner and not an apostate from Islam.

Personally I believe Jinnah was not secular, but he was not a model Muslim either.

Why so much importance to one man? Chaudhry Rehmat Ali and others also wanted Pakistan as well.

I believe Jinnah's wife converted to Islam.

I also read somewhere Jinnah converted to Sunni Islam in 1901 when his sisters married Sunni Muslims.

It's all out there bro, that's what even @TOPGUN was talking about, so if it was just me saying that
Others wouldn't hint towards it...

and Pakistan wouldn't exist without him, period others had dreams of Pakistan

He went and did it

His personal life doesn't make him a bad guy thaugh...
So you honestly think a guy like that wasn't a secular and an islamist?
Don't think so, infact Pakistan was hijacked by islamist

But it was originally an idea of moderate Muslims, infact even rn seculars are probably more Pak nationalist than islamist for whom the idea of islam, ummah comes before the nation

 

[MultaniGuy]

It's all out there bro, that's what even @TOPGUN was talking about, so if it was just me saying that
Others wouldn't hint towards it...

and Pakistan wouldn't exist without him, period others had dreams of Pakistan

He went and did it

His personal life doesn't make him a bad guy thaugh...
So you honestly think a guy like that wasn't a secular and an islamist?
Don't think so, infact Pakistan was hijacked by islamist

But it was originally an idea of moderate Muslims, infact even rn seculars are probably more Pak nationalist than islamist for whom the idea of islam, ummah comes before the nation

I am aware Quaid-e-Azam was raised an Agha Khani. I admire the man for certain things, but disagree with him on many things as well.

Jinnah was a man who wanted to reconcile Islam with modernity going by the standards of the time. You should read Saleena Karim's book.
Jinnah never used the word secular in his speeches.
He talks about Islamic socialism, and other jargon.

Jinnah was not secular, but he was not a Mullah either.

But then why so much importance to Quaid-e-Azam?

I agree with the notion that Pakistan could have been created without Quaid-e-Azam, Quaid-e-Azam was just the leader of the Muslim League.
Another man would have taken the leader's place.

Why should we refer to Quaid-e-Azam about how to run Pakistan?


What was the raison d'etre for creating Pakistan then?
So Muslims in the majority provinces did not have to be a minority in the lands they form a majority and so they can live according to their beliefs.

 

[MultaniGuy]

It's all out there bro, that's what even @TOPGUN was talking about, so if it was just me saying that
Others wouldn't hint towards it...

and Pakistan wouldn't exist without him, period others had dreams of Pakistan

He went and did it

His personal life doesn't make him a bad guy thaugh...
So you honestly think a guy like that wasn't a secular and an islamist?
Don't think so, infact Pakistan was hijacked by islamist

But it was originally an idea of moderate Muslims, infact even rn seculars are probably more Pak nationalist than islamist for whom the idea of islam, ummah comes before the nation

I have read Quaid-e-Azam's biographies. None of them said he ate pork or drank alcohol.

Show me where in his Biographies written by Akbar S. Ahmed, Stanley Wolpert, which says he did these things.