Mughal Emperors

[Arsalan]

Have been reading your posts with great relish.

Looking to do the same sir...

The forum do needs some of its old (not in age ) members back to full active to get back to where we were originally.

 

[Ahmed shahjahan]

You guys are writing about kings centuries ago and judging them on today's standard, very sad, they were king at the time when Europeans was fighting like dogs, americas was not discovered and when discovered locals were annihilated and so today they live in reservations now, had Mughals done it to locals in India there would be no Hindus left today. or if left they would be living in reservations. remember there was no amnesty international no UN and kings did what they thought was right for them, again look at europe at the time it was a mess. vikings were marauders who it looks came to Americas first.

so if compared Mughals were a beneficial kings at the time and place they were. so stop judging them on today standard and respect them for what they did in India. Great things such as Taj mahal. qutab Laat and grand trunk road by King sher shah Suri.

 

[The Sandman]

Although i really don't like any of them because they never focused much on education, science, technological advancements etc never bothered to build world class universities of that time at least and than the NAVY (why the hell they didn't build a navy ) but still i think Akbar he was a good guy was liberal in his thoughts and policies too respected other religions anyway majority of them just tried to kill their own fathers, brothers etc bloody power hungry fools.

 

[Chak Bamu]

I am surprised about so few votes for Shahjahan. His reign is widely considered to be the apogee of Mughal empire. Though Mughal empire reached its zenith under Aurangzeb, Shahjahan's reign is remembered for peace, prosperity, tolerance, & monuments.

I would caution people about judging people of a by-gone era according to our present-day morality. Mughals were Turks and were peculiar in certain ways. Fratricide (killing brothers) was a common practice among some Turkish rulers. It was practiced among Ottomans and Mughals, for example. When this practice stopped, weak rulers got played like puppets, starting from Aurangzeb's great grandson among Mughals, and Sultan Saleem among Ottomans.

Knowing that the Empire was to be won by ability and strength of arms, prices exerted themselves in a game of high-stakes. This ensured that the most able came out on top. Ottomans even had religious edicts (Fatawa) in support of this murderous practice.

I could go on, but I think this is enough for now.

 

[Gujarat]

Voted Akbar. why ? because he's the reason why to day Mughal empire is not part of "Irreverent Delhi Sultanate Club" and have its own Identity.


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fun fact :

Akbar Conquered Gujarat Sultanate from Native Muslim Rajputs (Muzafaarids) in 1573. and to celebrate this he Created Buland Darwaza in Fatahpur sikri (than capital)

and Flag of Gujarat Sultanate is today main flag of Gujarat. (my Avatar)

Sources :

wiki/Gujarat_Sultanate
wiki/Fatehpur_Sikri
wiki/Buland_Darwaza

OP @Kashmiri Pandit , mod @waz ,Historians of Asia @Joe Shearer and @Levina @farhan_9909

 

[axisofevil]

All of them were amazing people who managed to rule over present day SAARC nations despite being in minority... Aurengzaib was known for philonthropy among the Muslim world and wrongly accused by non Muslims to malign his reputation but thats not the topic of this thread anyway.

Akbar was great in uniting parts of present day India and introducing new ways of hormony between Muslims and Hindus such as his innovated version of faith which makes no sense for a Muslim, it even casts doubt on his faith whether he could still be regarded as Muslim but that is not part of this thread either

Babur was the founder of Mughal Dynasty and such personalities always inspires me a lot as they do the hard task of establishing writ of the kingdom. He was an invador but wise man.

Not true...all of Indian and present South Asia was not conquered by Mughals....in fact they couldn't hold to many new gained territories.

 

[Gujarat]

Not true...all of Indian and present South Asia was not conquered by Mughals....in fact they couldn't hold to many new gained territories.

from Uzbekistan and Afghanistan to Bangladesh. Mughals conquered and ruled almost all South Asian Countries.

they had chance to Convert most of South Asia to Islam. unfortunately for (Muslims), they got one Guy named Aurangzeb who saved us Hindus from becoming Minority in our lands. he even fought with Southern Islamic kingdoms because they were shias ! after his death Marathas Reached Gates of Delhi in just 20 years.

if Aurangzeb stopped his jihadi policies in his time and learned from his father and Grandfather, Punjab, Western UP, Border Region of Rajasthan and 70% of Gujarat today would be Part of Pakistan. and Hydrabad, Kashmir, Grater Bangladesh alag se. that's why i am very Happy that Aurangzeb became king instead of his brother.

 

[axisofevil]

from Uzbekistan and Afghanistan to Bangladesh. Mughals conquered and ruled almost all South Asian Countries.

they had chance to Convert most of South Asia to Islam. unfortunately for (Muslims), they got one Guy named Aurangzeb who saved us Hindus from becoming Minority in our lands. he even fought with Southern Islamic kingdoms because they were shias ! after his death Marathas Reached Gates of Delhi in just 20 years.

if Aurangzeb stopped his jihadi policies in his time and learned from his father and Grandfather, Punjab, Western UP, Border Region of Rajasthan and 70% of Gujarat today would be Part of Pakistan. and Hydrabad, Kashmir, Grater Bangladesh alag se. that's why i am very Happy that Aurangzeb became king instead of his brother.

He was too extreme and that was his downfall. Like your map states South India and Northeast India was never conquered! Most of his possessions were accumulated during his tenure and he couldn't hold on to it. There were constant battles. Indian was fighting Jihad for almost 700 years and in the end, we ultimately won. However, the damage was quite high to our culture, traditions and people. What other nation could resist such a longterm Jihad for so many centuries? None. Only India could .....and that is the true testament to the people of India....call it what you may buy we were weak....just disorganized and not united strongly enough when these invasions started. Things have surely changed and more needs to be done in the present age.


Kashmir was cleansed of non muslims by forced conversion and death. There are many blind to the facts.

 

[Gujarat]

He was to extreme and that was his downfall. Like you maps states South India and Northeast India never conquered! Most of possessions were accumulated during his tenure and he couldn't hold on to it. There were constant battles. Indian was fighting Jihad for almost 700 years and in the end, we ultimately won. However, the damage was quite high to our culture, traditions and people.


Kashmir was cleansed of non muslims by forced conversion and death. There are many blind to the facts.

brother, whatever happened is happened. we Must forgive Muslims and "tali ek haath se nahi bajti" we also blame our Ancestors who fought among themselves and failed in Defending India from Invaders.

if we really want to take back our rightful place as World power we must have to cooperate with our Neighbors and Historical Allies, Such as Pakistan, Barma and Iran/Arabia. currently whole south Asia is a Big fat mess. it's a circus, whole world is laughing at us. we Must have to Found a Common Ground Now. cooperation is the key to success.

@waz I hope one day i will allowed to import coal from Sindh/Balochistan and sell my Products in the Market of Pakistan

 

[Mumm-Ra]

Unless we define greatness in quantifiable terms, we will never find out which of the above emperor really stands above the rest. To the romantic soldier, Babur is greater than anyone as he created the empire by conquest. To the executives, Akbar is worthy of endless praise as he consolidated the empire and gave the local Indian clans, mainly Rajputs, a sizeable stake in the empire. To the artists, Jahangir and Shah Jahan were magnificent and to the puritan, Aurangzeb stands head and shoulders above all others. Hence, each of us will give our opinion based on our own criteria. Unless there is a generally accepted framework that defines and quantifies what "being great" actually means, we will be discussing this topic for eternity.

 

[waz]

@waz I hope one day i will allowed to import coal from Sindh/Balochistan and sell my Products in the Market of Pakistan

I hope so too one day my friend. Heaven knows that bullets and missiles will not be able to feed people.

 

[Kambojaric]

Babur is certainly the most interesting character for me. The journey and battles that brought him down from the Ferghana valley to the deserts of Rajasthan are appealing to a reader, especially since his was kind of a rags to riches story.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Dada,

here is finally the consumption end: luxury goods for the elite, expenditure on the military (if you have that strange now_where_have_I_seen_THIS_before, join the club).

Ha, ha, yes, appropriately among the self-proclaimed successor state of the Great Moghuls!

Regards

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

I am reading history these days . According to which 95% main muslim emperor's were tolerant and liberal . Mullas or cleriks were and are the real enemy of peaceful south Asia + those 5 percent .

 

[Joe Shearer]

I am reading history these days . According to which 95% main muslim emperor's were tolerant and liberal . Mullas or cleriks were and are the real enemy of peaceful south Asia + those 5 percent .

True of all priests of all religions, without exception.