Movement against rogue establishment!

[Areesh]

..... but you didn't answer the question about sacred evil cows!!???

Yahya died in obscurity. Same with Niazi. Not given any special burial. Yeah they weren't hang like bhutto. Big deal

 

[imadul]

Yahya died in obscurity. Same with Niazi. Not given any special burial. Yeah they weren't hang like bhutto. Big deal

ایس ایم ظفر کی ایک اسرائیلی شخصیت سے ملاقات ہوئی۔ ایس ایم ظفر نے پوچھا کہ اتنا
عرصہ ہو گیا ہے آپ ابھی تک نازیوں کے پیچھے ہیں۔
اس نے کہا کہ اگر جرم پر سزا نہ دی جائے تو جرم جڑیں پکڑ لیتا ہے۔

That'd why everyone feels pleasure to violate law whenever they could because generals can commit any crime but they refuse to submit to the law.
PS. Ex Nazi, Josef Schuetz was arrested in 2022 at age 101 and sentenced for 5 years.

It is to following law silly! ( not calling you, it is figure of speech!)

 

[Super Falcon]

If PMIK can come again despite Anaconda system of military Inc +judiciary then we can expect that.
If IK fails again we have the fall back position of the spawns of NS (Maryam Nawaz) and Zardari (bilawal).

اس دور کی اسٹیبلشمنٹ نے حسین کو خاندان سمیت قتل کردیا، امت یہی کہ سکی

تم پہ اور میرے آقا کی عنایت نہ سہی
ظالموں کلمہ پڑھانے کا احسان بھی گیا

اقبال کا دانائے یار بھی آہی گیا تھا اس کو مرتے وقت کھٹارا ایمبولینس نصیب ہوئی، لیڈر نہ مرتا تہ یہ اس کو بھی مار دیتے۔

سر آمد روز گارِ ایں فقیرے
دگر دانائے راز آید کہ ناید

Imran is no different

 

[epebble]

The author, who is a political economist, has some interesting thoughts and ideas:

Middle Class Pressure Might Force Pakistan Army To Retreat From The Political Arena​

It will take much stronger pushback from politicians, the public, especially the urban middle-class which has supported army politics most in the past​

Middle Class Pressure Might Force Pakistan Army To Retreat From The Political Arena - The Friday Times - Naya Daur

Multiple senior army officers including out-going army chief Bajwa have signalled strongly and repeatedly that the army will not interfere in politics any more in the future. Will it stay true to its words this time as such promises have been made repeatedly earlier too? When do armies decide to...

www.thefridaytimes.com

First time I am seeing a new category of countries:

Yet a few remain active as in the TEMPTS (Thailand, Egypt, Myanmar, Pakistan, Turkey and Sudan) Club where political power still tempts armies given the huge powers it gives, including the abilities to acquire and freely spend large defence budgets, manage army promotions and run large businesses with little civilian oversight.

 

[imadul]

I'm surprised you didn't blame Aurangzeb or even Umar RA for merit killing in our institutions.

For the record, "merit killing" started by your beloved momin bhai Bhutto who took away protections from bureaucracy and then nationalized all industry and conducted massive hiring of no skill jiyalas into all state institutions and ran them into the ground.

Butto did, but before that Ayub and Yahya started it well before.
Take army, it is not capable to fight a conventional war. 600000 strong army is just as good as militia.

Stop glorifying Bhutto. Also he wasn't resisting anything. He used to call ayub daddy and was completely aligned with yahya khan on everything related to east Pakistan crisis

East Pakistan was army's making.
Rest have minor roles.

 

[Clutch]

Pakistanis largely have a DALIT slave personality-worship personality. We submit to the tribal leaders... And are cowardly to sacrifice our lives for the "greater good".

We only sacrifice for our tribal leaders and immediate family.... Pakistan be damned.

And yes... Let's not forget... Most Pakistanis are corrupt. But live to show a honorable face.

 

[General Dong]

Pakistanis largely have a DALIT slave personality-worship personality. We submit to the tribal leaders... And are cowardly to sacrifice our lives for the "greater good".

We only sacrifice for our tribal leaders and immediate family.... Pakistan be damned.

And yes... Let's not forget... Most Pakistanis are corrupt. But live to show a honorable face.

For us Punjabis and Sindhis, most of our ancestors, aleast the side which are native to Indus region were bottom of the totem pole Hindus during the Mughal invasion. They accepted Islam because there was no caste system. Hence why our people never developed true self respect. Today we see this again with our peoples lazy unwilling attitude to standup to their oppressors. Even now our people worship feudal lords and glorified criminals calling themselves "local leaders"... Slavery is ingrained in our psyche!

And yes... Let's not forget... Most Pakistanis are corrupt. But live to show a honorable face.

A fish rots from the head down.. I truly believe because our "head" compromises of the evil that is GHQ followed by their puppet underlings, the vile politicians and judges. Pakistan never had a chance. Through decades of corruption and lust for personal gain they have systematically destroyed every institute in Pakistan. An honest Pakistani has no chance to succeed in this country!

 

[imadul]

You hate Bhutto because he was a Shia / Momin ... You support Zia because he was a Deobandi (like yourself) ... !!

Bhutto was no saint but Zia was much worse, he was a tyrant / dictator. Him being a Deobandi/Wahhabi cannot absolve him of his crimes against Pakistan and Muslims

Not a sect issue.
Zia was tyrant and munafiq of his class.
Bhutto was brave and refused to bow down before gun. It is other thing he was a feudal, and made policies in their favor.
Quota systems, nationalization still playing their part in pulling Pakistan down.

 

[fatman17]

Only people who have army background are bootlickers.

Even PMLn supporters will agree that Army as an institution needs huge reforms otherwise it will cause more and more harm to country as time passes.

So the sharifs have army background

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

What irony is that establishment is lying everyday that they are neutral and they have nothing to do in politics. Even Former judge said he made decision against Nawaz sharif due to pressure. Our parliament is just chess for Generals.

 

[altafahmed]

That is great, but they will need massive support from the people if they are to succeed in what you say they are trying to do.

Massive support is there, just need massive balls, just like what PTM did, and Manzoor Pashteen said.
(People in this forum used to call him/PTM puppet of RAW and now Puppet of ISI )

 

[Trango Towers]

Not a sect issue.
Zia was tyrant and munafiq of his class.
Bhutto was brave and refused to bow down before gun. It is other thing he was a feudal, and made policies in their favor.
Quota systems, nationalization still playing their part in pulling Pakistan down.

You are very judgemental...
Tyrant and a munafuq....wow..wonder what people will label you.
Bhutto brave...yet lost east pakistan .. there is no limit to pakistani stupidity. Fudals system irrelevant...shabash.

Bro are you awake? Had breakfast. You seem rather confused. Blood sugar ok?

 

[Asian.Century]

No accountability, no trail, no justice, the establishment does what it wants.

 

[imadul]

You are very judgemental...
Tyrant and a munafuq....wow..wonder what people will label you.
Bhutto brave...yet lost east pakistan .. there is no limit to pakistani stupidity. Fudals system irrelevant...shabash.

Bro are you awake? Had breakfast. You seem rather confused. Blood sugar ok?

If a martial law purveyor is not a tyrant than what is he?
Promised election in 90 days and lied repeatedly, stayed in power for 11 years using gun. Rest of the world calls it autocracy, dictatorship, despotism.
You may call something else if you dont like

General niazi, commander eastern command ordered surrender to General jagjit Singh Aurora. Picture of that glorified even hanging in Indian ghq.

 

[ziaulislam]

Yahya died in obscurity. Same with Niazi. Not given any special burial. Yeah they weren't hang like bhutto. Big deal

As far as I am aware he enjoyed a nice retirement