Mosques of Europe which were turned into churches

[masterchief_mirza]

The Vizigoths allready found a mostly Christian population in Iberia and mixed with them.
If Turkey would have left it a Mosque the issue would be non existent but a modern, secular state reconverting a UNESCO site in 2020 reeks of political nuance.

Let's not derail the thread with visigoths - my understanding of history has them as aggressive expansionists (as all tribes west of Rome were at that time) who didn't simply peacefully stumble into Iberia - but anyway, we will differ on that it seems.

Regarding Hagia Sophia, several important points here: it was purchased outright by the Mehmet sultanate in 1453. Also, Ataturk peaceably declared it a museum (he didn't revert it to a cathedral) precisely for "political nuance" (your words) and the present decision actually reverses this pointless political foreplay, lastly I don't believe any blood has been shed either with Ataturk's decision or Erdogan's decision. I see no problem here. Had the orthodox community not sold it in the first place, they'd have a much better case to argue now.

Eurocentric opposition to this move truly is embedded in hypocrisy.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

It was the first Cathedral of Christianity.....why the moaning about Jerusalem?

Don't mind brother but Millions of Christian churches and cathedral were built on Pagan ruins. Even the Hagi Sophia was a Pagan temple in the beginning.

Christians suppressed Roman and Greek Pagans and wiped out Paganism from Scandinavia and Nordic states.

Many Christian churches were built on Pagan monuments.

 

[Hindustani78]

There is no meaning of Masajeed aur Mandir beyond Haad wa Hadood !!! Sutoon and Stamb are part of Hindu Civilisation !!!! and this Sutoon and Stamb are linked with Salvation of Souls/Najatun Rohun/Atma Mukhti !!!!

Sutoon and Stamb can be established where there is Deen e Arya and Deen e Islam !!!!

Salah can be offered by being inside Homes beyond the Haad wa Hadood !!!! I think the Turkish Establishment will reconsider about the Islamic Centers beyond the Sutoon Established by the Pious Seljuk Turks!!!!

Let's not derail the thread with visigoths - my understanding of history has them as aggressive expansionists (as all tribes west of Rome were at that time) who didn't simply peacefully stumble into Iberia - but anyway, we will differ on that it seems.

Saxons did attacked the Thracians and Laters over ran the Greeks !!!! Greeks Hate for the Saxons resulted in the increasing of Janisaaris !!!! Seljuk Turks were a power during that time !!!!

Regarding Hagia Sophia, several important points here: it was purchased outright by the Mehmet sultanate in 1453. Also, Ataturk peaceably declared it a museum (he didn't revert it to a cathedral) precisely for "political nuance" (your words) and the present decision actually reverses this pointless political foreplay, lastly I don't believe any blood has been shed either with Ataturk's decision or Erdogan's decision. I see no problem here. Had the orthodox community not sold it in the first place, they'd have a much better case to argue now.

All this is linked with the Sutoon and Stamb of the Seljuk Turks !!!! Greek Pagans started to realize the basis tenets of the True Religion !!!! Wonderful History is there about Turkiye !!!!

Don't mind brother but Millions of Christian churches and cathedral were built on Pagan ruins. Even the Hagi Sophia was a Pagan temple in the beginning.

You know the true History but still you continue with that !!!! European Pagans use to have places which laters became Cathedral and Churches !!!! And all this was completely opposite from the Deen e Ibrahim Alai Salaam; Deen e Musa Alai Salaam; Deen e Davud Alai Salaam and Deen e Isa Alai Salaam.

Deen e Muhammed S.A.W.S is the Deen e Ibrahim Alai Salaam; Deen e Musa Alai Salaam; Deen e Davud Alai Salaam and Deen e Isa Alai Salaam.

Dont Forget what the Pagan Greeks done in Falastin by destroying the Sutoon constructed by Ibrahim Alai Salaam along with his Sons Ishmael Alai Salaam and Ishaqun Alai Salaam !!!!! And even dont Forget the Pagan Greeks came to destroy Kaaba and built a Catherdral on Kaaba !!!! The Year of Elephant; the Birth of Rasul e Allah Muhammed S.A.W.S and the Wrath of Allah Rabbul Alameen in shape of Ababil on the Pagan Greeks !!!!

That Sutoon was reestablished by Umar Bin Khattab R.A.A in Falastin !!!!

Christians suppressed Roman and Greek Pagans and wiped out Paganism from Scandinavia and Nordic states.

Or continued the Pagan Cult behind the name of Deen e Isa Alai Salaam.

Many Christian churches were built on Pagan monuments.

Greek Pagan Emperors has done which mischief in the Deen e Isa Ibne Maryam Alai Salaam is visible !!! Seed of Adom Alai Salaam are from Hindu Civilisation !!!! The Continue Chain of Prophethood is there in Hindu Civilisation !!!!

 

[Leviza]

Who ever thinks Muslims should not convert this back into a mosque should see these documents and understand they sold the place to the actual conqueror

 

[Imran Khan]

two wrongs can not make one right . the buildings must be remain same as they were built be it church mosque temple or whatever .

 

[Basel]

Right after all conquerors before them do the same.
I do apologise that Europeans fought back against Islamic invaders and drove them out but it happened...

It was the Europeans who started religious wars and attacked Muslims lands, still Europeans and other western areas are killing Muslims in millions one way or another, their blood will not go in vein.

 

[Constantin84]

It was the Europeans who started religious wars and attacked Muslims lands, still Europeans and other western areas are killing Muslims in millions one way or another, their blood will not go in vein.

Nope...Muslims attacked first, let's stick to historical truth.

Who ever thinks Muslims should not convert this back into a mosque should see these documents and understand they sold the place to the actual conqueror

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These documents are forgeries, it wasn't sold by anyone.

 

[xeuss]

These documents are forgeries, it wasn't sold by anyone.

How did you reach this conclusion that the documents were forged?

 

[Constantin84]

How did you reach this conclusion that the documents were forged?

There is no historical record of the Church selling the building, no historical evidence not even from contemporary Turkish sources,just those papers who don't really look like they're from the 15th century but much newer.If a transaction was held there wouldn't be any uproar....those are just some cheap propaganda leaflets.
My problem with this whole affair is that a self proclaimed modern secular state like Turkey pulls this cheap trick in 2020.If they would have left it a mosque since 1453 uninterrupted I would have had no issue.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

There is no historical record of the Church selling the building, no historical evidence not even from contemporary Turkish sources,just those papers who don't really look like they're from the 15th century but much newer.If a transaction was held there wouldn't be any uproar....those are just some cheap propaganda leaflets.
My problem with this whole affair is that a self proclaimed modern secular state like Turkey pulls this cheap trick in 2020.If they would have left it a mosque since 1453 uninterrupted I would have had no issue.

And even if you do have an issue, what exactly can you do about it?

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Power to you bro.
Whenever something that makes Islam stronger is done it is booed down by International tattttooos.

But when other people do same stuff it is heralded as acts that will benefit the world.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282342033462398976

https://twitter.com/x/status/1282340897770795008

 

[Constantin84]

And even if you do have an issue, what exactly can you do about it?

Not really much...just like you with Jerusalem, established facts are here to stay.
Maybe cutting flow of EU tourists to Turkey, like this year would be a starting ideea.

 

[Taskforce]

We need to let go of this childish shit.

Back in the day all of ME was Christian and not Muslim.

We need to look from different perspectives.

 

[Microsoft]

Not really much...just like you with Jerusalem, established facts are here to stay.
Maybe cutting flow of EU tourists to Turkey, like this year would be a starting ideea.

That's a good goy. You're welcome to listen to azan in Hagia Sophia any time though.

 

[xeuss]

There is no historical record of the Church selling the building, no historical evidence not even from contemporary Turkish sources,just those papers who don't really look like they're from the 15th century but much newer.If a transaction was held there wouldn't be any uproar....those are just some cheap propaganda leaflets.
My problem with this whole affair is that a self proclaimed modern secular state like Turkey pulls this cheap trick in 2020.If they would have left it a mosque since 1453 uninterrupted I would have had no issue.

What you write is within the realm of possibility, but until more evidence emerges to support your claims, we will have to consider those documents are authentic.