Mortar shells fired from Myanmar hit Border Guard Bangladesh camp

[BDforever]

Navy of both countries are not blue water navies, and inconsequential in a war between the two.

With Bangladesh air force gone and land forces are being decimated by Myanmar air forces and land forces, including their huge barrage of towed artillery, what difference BD navy with the capability of coast guards would make?

LOL...apart from that 31 Mig-29 Myanmar also has 24 F-7M and 21 A-5, enough to gain complete air superiority over Bangladesh in two days max by eliminating those outdated 8 Mig-29s and 16 F7-BG1s, 2 of the Migs are trainers and god knows how many of those actually fly! And forget about running over Myanmar before they gain complete air superiority over Bangladesh, they also have a huge force of MBTs, AFVs and towed artillery. Myanmar military is miles ahead of Bangladesh in every front.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/coun...y1=bangladesh&country2=myanmar&Submit=COMPARE

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Bangladesh/Burma/Military

I have a proposal for Bangladesh.

A permanent solution to Bangladesh-Myanmar border tension and solution to a potential cause of security concern in South Asia.


Bangladesh has land border with only two countries, India covers almost the entire Bangladesh border, and there is a 271 km stretch of border Bangladesh has with Myanmar which is volatile, as Bangladesh and Myanmar don't share a mutually friendly relation.


We have to accept the fact that both Bangladesh and Myanmar has common friends in the region, so no bigger power in the region will take sides in case of a war between the two countries. Since both the countries are non-nuclear powers and don't have enough conventional military power to wreak havoc in the region, and also the fact that both the countries are not that big economic entities to cause a global economic meltdown; no external powers will come to get involved in that war either. In such a scenario, being a far bigger military power Myanmar will decimate Bangladesh in a war, and Bangladesh will plunge into a political and social instability for decades. Besides, the loss of human lives and resources on both sides will be significant.


The only other country with whom Bangladesh has a border is India, now India and Bangladesh share friendly relations and there won't be any war between the two, ever. First, there is no reason for war between the two countries; we don't have any significant dispute between us. Second, neither Bangladesh will risk its existence by going to war against India, nor India will risk losing face in the international community by attacking its smaller scantly-militarized neighbour. Besides, Bangladesh is the de facto protectorate state of India, and India having border with all side of Bangladesh barring that 271 km stretch of border; India protects Bangladesh from all external threats from virtually all side.


Now, Bangladesh can protect that 271 km of volatile unsecured border with Myanmar that poses a real existential threat to Bangladesh by simply offering that stretch of land to India. A continuous stretch of 50 km (100 km is preferred for better maneuvering) of plain land starting from the end point of India-Bangladesh border in north-east to the Bay-of-Bengal in south will create a neutral buffer zone between Bangladesh and Myanmar, and both the countries being good friends with India, and understandably not wanting to go to war with India; none of the two countries would think about militarily violating that zone, besides, we will have our own military infrastructure (apart from other infrastructure) there to discourage any such eventuality.


We being a very understanding and responsible country will not propose a complete hand over of land by Bangladesh, as we realize that such a move will create political unrest in Bangladesh. So, we propose a 999 years of renewable lease of land to India with full rights of use without any restriction. We won't pay any rent for that, but we will offer free security that will save a lot of money for Bangladesh for not having to spend on guarding that border. Besides, the sense of security is priceless. It will be purely a business deal and should not be seen as any kind of violation of Bangladesh's sovereignty.


I also believe that in 999 years Bangladeshis will become liberal and wise enough to get over their petty religious differences and will come back to re-join with their original motherland India after realizing their mistake of parting ways with their original home, so there won't be any need to renew that lease after 999 years. And you know, we believe that "Agar subah ka bhula sham ko ghar aa jaye toh usse bhula nehi kehte"...!!


I present this idea as a benign friend of both Bangladesh and Myanmar, and would love to hear my Myanmar and Bangladeshi friends' constructive opinion on it.

Please do not troll or go off-topic.

https://defence.pk/threads/a-perman...lution-to-a-potential-security-threat.430506/

1. As your wishful thinking of Bangladesh will be devastated, well there is more chance of Myanmar become devastated because economically we are 3 times size of Myanmar.
2. India is not capable of checking present day 2 fronts, forget about 3rd Front
3. If you talk about airforce, check the balance:
8 Migs, 42 F-7 (16 F-7BGI, 16 F-7BG and 10 F-7MB), 16 Yak130, 9 K-8 and 7 L-39 currently can be use in war.
4. Bangladesh Coast Guard Navy is currently giving headache to Indian trawler Navy

 

[Khan_21]

Myanmar army is rag-tag and no match for the professional BD army. It is not just the equipment but
training that also counts.

Anyway, you are no longer arguing that BD has a more powerful Navy then?

Has professionalism of BD army been tested somewhere?just curious . BD army will be tested once it encounters an insurgency or a small scale war .

I would like to know why are there 30-40 fighter jets for a country of 160 million ? That too only F7 and low numbers of Migs .

 

[BDforever]

Has professionalism of BD army been tested somewhere?just curious . BD army will be tested once it encounters an insurgency or a small scale war .

I would like to know why are there 30-40 fighter jets for a country of 160 million ? That too only F7 and low numbers of Migs .

1. Chittagong hill track insurgency.
2. Gulf war 1990.
3. UN mission. where BD armed forces all over African continent+ Bangladesh has military base in Kuwait consist of 5,000 army, recently Kuwait wants to enhance the co-operation in that area
4. and Finally talking about Airforce ? not just Airforce, we never spend much in military until recent years.

 

[UKBengali]

Has professionalism of BD army been tested somewhere?just curious . BD army will be tested once it encounters an insurgency or a small scale war .

I would like to know why are there 30-40 fighter jets for a country of 160 million ? That too only F7 and low numbers of Migs .

BD army is much better trained and organised than the rag-tag Myanmar force that recruits child-soldiers.

You have a point about the air-force though as that is way, way too small and obsolete for BD's needs. BD only spends around 2% of GDP on defence, when arms purchases are taken into account, and so it cannot modernise all 3 services at the same time. Currently we are seeing a heavy focus on the Navy and once that is modernised then you will see an emphasis on the Air-Force.

 

[dray]

1. As your wishful thinking as Bangladesh will be devastated well there is more chance of myanmar become devasted because Economomically we are 3 times of size of Myanmar.
2. India is not capable of checking present day 2 fronts, forget about 3rd Front
3. If you talk about airforce, check the balance:
8 Migs, 42 F-7 (16 F-7BGI, 16 F-7BG and 10 F-7MB), 16 Yak130, 9 K-8 and 7 L-39 currently can be use in war.
4. Bangladesh Coast Guard Navy is currently giving headache to Indian trawler Navy

You are including trainers and not-available fighters in the list Check the links in previous page, Myanmar is miles ahead of Bangladesh in military power.

 

[BDforever]

BD army is much better trained and organised than the rag-tag Myanmar force that recruits child-soldiers.

You have a point about the air-force though as that is way, way too small and obsolete for BD's needs. BD only spends around 2% of GDP on defence, when arms purchases are taken into account, and so it cannot modernise all 3 services at the same time. Currently we are seeing a heavy focus on the Navy and once that is modernised then you will see an emphasis on the Air-Force.

not 2%, only 1.2%

 

[UKBengali]

not 2%, only 1.2%

It is when arms purchases are taken into account.

 

[BDforever]

You are including trainers and not-available fighters in the list Check the links in previous page, Myanmar is miles ahead of Bangladesh in military power.

which one ? Yak-130 ? Yak-130 way superior than A-5 that Myanmar posses+ K-8 is per A-5.
well i would say Myanmar militarily ahead of India, that is for sure

 

[dray]

BD army is much better trained and organised than the rag-tag Myanmar force that recruits child-soldiers.

That's an unquantifiable (and fake) parameter generally used by the weaker side.

which one ? Yak-130 ? Yak-130 way superior than A-5 that Myanmar posses+ K-8 is per A-5

Your list of Migs and F-7s also consist of trainers.

 

[BDforever]

It is when arms purchases are taken into account.

no , its all included lol

That's an unquantifiable (and fake) parameter generally used by the weaker side.

so true, who knows better than you Indian armed forces is an excellent example

 

[dray]

Focus on my proposal.

 

[UKBengali]

no , its all included lol

Ok. Let us use statistics to see if this makes sense.

In the last 5 years(2011-2015), BD imported 2.1 billion dollars worth of arms. In the same period the total defence budget came to around 9 billion dollars. It does not make sense that BD can afford to spend 23% of it's total defence spending on arms imports, especially when you take into account that BD also makes arms itself and has to pay for these out of the defence budget.

The actual figure may not be exactly 2% but when taking into account arms purchases we can add around 0.3% to the defence budget to come up with the true figure.

Edit - check out the below article:

http://www.janes.com/article/52055/bangladesh-announces-usd2-3-billion-defence-budget

"Documents published by the country's Ministry of Finance show the defence budget allocates BTD176.5 billion for "non-development" costs, which include military salaries, maintenance costs, and operations and BTD4.1 billion for "development" costs such as procurement."

The above proves my point.

 

[BDforever]

Ok. Let us use statistics to see if this makes sense.

In the last 5 years(2011-2015), BD imported 2.1 billion dollars worth of arms. In the same period the total defence budget came to around 9 billion dollars. It does not make sense that BD can afford to spend 23% of it's total defence spending on arms imports, especially when you take into account that BD also makes arms itself and has to pay for these out of the defence budget.

The actual figure may not be exactly 2% but when taking into account arms purchases we can add around 0.3% to the defence budget to come up with the true figure.

Edit - check out the below article:

http://www.janes.com/article/52055/bangladesh-announces-usd2-3-billion-defence-budget

"Documents published by the country's Ministry of Finance show the defence budget allocates BTD176.5 billion for "non-development" costs, which include military salaries, maintenance costs, and operations and BTD4.1 billion for "development" costs such as procurement."

The above proves my point.

your analysis proves my point
lets look at it again, total budget allocation BDT183.8 Billion ($2.3billion USD) for 2015-2016 including purchase of BTD 4.1 Billion right ?
now what was the GDP in 2015 ? $205 billion.
so what is the percentage of $2.3 billion in $205 billion ? 1.12% lol

 

[UKBengali]

your analysis proves my point
lets look at it again, total budget allocation BDT183.8 Billion ($2.3billion USD) for 2015-2016 including purchase of BTD 4.1 Billion right ?
now what was the GDP in 2015 ? $205 billion.
so what is the percentage of $2.3 billion in $205 billion ? 1.12% lol

Last year BD spent 653 millions dollars on arms imports which comes to around 25% of it's total defence budget.

According to Janes, out of the actual defence budget they spent 4.1BDT/175.5BDT x 100%, which is only 2.3% of the defence budget on procurement and other not listed items. So out of BD's own budget they only spent 52 million dollars for both procurement and other things. So where did the 653 million dollars come from? It must have come from outside the defence budget as additional spending.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

your analysis proves my point
lets look at it again, total budget allocation BDT183.8 Billion ($2.3billion USD) for 2015-2016 including purchase of BTD 4.1 Billion right ?
now what was the GDP in 2015 ? $205 billion.
so what is the percentage of $2.3 billion in $205 billion ? 1.12% lol

Another thing to note that, since quasi-civilian govt. took office in Myanmar in 2011,Myanmar's defence spending increased very little(from 2 to 2.4 billion usd) as they are correcting massive over spending relative to GDP of the past. Although it is still very high at 3.7 percent of GDP(compared to BD's 1.1 percent).Meantime BD's defence spending have doubled over the last 5 years.It is now equal to Myanmar. In the near future there is no possibility to massively hike defence budget there as new govt. there is less militaristic.So if the recent 5 years trend continue for at least 10 years then Bangladesh' defence budget will be at least 3 times larger than myanmar in the next 10 years.