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lol... we are so poor still our per capita income is higher than richy pakistan :confused:... dude take a hike..

Per Capita Income in way, shape or form means that each person in a country is earning that much.. It barely means that 'collective' earnings of the country divided by 'population'.. i think you should study something other than 'typing' before sitting on a forum where you have to give 'knowledgeable' responses.. here, let me help you..

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Poverty in Pakistan is worse than poverty in India (atlesat Indian poors have scope to be lifted out of poverty )

even rich in pakistan is endanger of falling in BPL ( considering the garbage economy there)

Pakistan with only 35% of literacy rate (200 mn population) should not worry about India with 75 % literacy rate (1.2 bn population)..
 
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Lahore, Pakistan is passing through a phase of “educational poverty” because of a lack of government commitment to the education sector and the “Education for All” goal.

Pakistan is still struggling with around 55 per cent of literacy rate and it needs at least 38 years to achieve the Universal Primary Education and 16 years to achieve 86 per cent of literacy rate, Unesco’s senior education specialist Arshad Saeed Khan said during his presentation to the print and electronic media at a “Media Forum for the Promotion of Literacy in Pakistan”. The event was organized by PACADE, an NGO on literacy, in collaboration with Unesco at a hotel here on Saturday.

Khan said “Education for All” meant that everyone had the right to quality education through opportunities available for all irrespective of gender, socio-economic background and ethnic or religious background. He said the Pakistani government had committed to achieve Education for All initiative’s six goals – expansion and improvement of early childhood care, free and compulsory primary education, provision of learning opportunities for the young ones and adults, increase in literacy rate by 50 per cent and taking it to 86 per cent by 2015, elimination of gender disparities and improvement in all aspects of education.

The Unesco official stressed that the government should make legislation for implementation of Article 25-A of the Constitution (18th Constitutional Amendment) and implement National Educational Policy’s provisions like allocation of seven per cent of the GDP for education in a phased manner by 2015. “The Pakistani government is currently spending just 2.05 per cent of the GDP on education,” he said. He said the government should make elementary education free besides offering midday meals in all schools and making available equal education opportunities for all. With regard to the concept of per-child education budget, Khan said there was a dire need to provide more funding to provinces and districts where there were higher number of out-of-school children.

Explaining the position of Pakistan among the comity of nations, Khan said the country was standing at 141st position in terms of Human Development in South and West Asia.

Stressing that education was a basic component that could trigger development in any society and country, the official said the media had a very important role to disseminate information and more importantly new ideas. He said the media should not just report events, it should analyze the root causes and suggest corrective measures. He said the sublime objective of reporting should be investigative journalism as well as public awareness about their rights. He explained as to how reporters could dig out information and highlight gaps, root causes, good practices and finally give suggestions.
PACADE chairman Inayatullah said there were around 60 million above the age of 10 Pakistanis who were illiterate. He said there were about seven million out-of-school children in Pakistan.

Inayatullah, former National Commission for Literacy and Mass Education chairman, said almost 18 per cent of the world population was illiterate and 6.2 per cent of these illiterates were living in Pakistan. He said 40 to 50 per cent of students dropped out of primary schools in the first two years. He said Pakistan’s financial allocation for literacy was one of the lowest in the world. He said there were no adult literacy programs run by provincial governments during the last two or three years in Sindh and Balochistan nor was there any approved program for the future in these provinces. “Pakistan is one of the few countries where the number of illiterates keeps increasing,” he said.
 
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Even the most elite region of Pakistan faces power cut , 15 to 20 hrs daily, whereas such severe power cuts in India is only in backward villages where these poor people live... logically poor in india enjoys same status as miidle class population in Pakistan...
 
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Nope.. but my father and uncles have, they use to go there to recruit people for their company in UAE..

besides that, one of our Team Leaders from an ADB project, Berry van Gelder (check him on the net) stated after coming back from India and Pakistan in end of year 1999 that



For reference of those who might argue about credibility of this quote: Berry van Gelder, Team Leader, Project: Forestry Sectors, DHV consultants, The Netherlands..

I have been to Lahore only once when I was young and to me, it was very similar to Delhi. I haven't been around Pakistan enough to comment on the poverty there yet.

Regarding Berry van Gelder statement, it's a 12 year old statement and he's entitled to have his personal opinion on India. If you asked me 1 year back what i thought of India and it's poverty, you would have heard a few expletive words :lol:

Let me repeat, i'm not saying that poverty is gone in India. On the contrary, wherever i went there were beggars and street vendors haggling me, but what i am amazed is it's level of growth and development within a short span of time. Besides China, i have never seen a country develop so rapidly.

Anyway, keep an open mind and try to pay a visit to India yourself sometime to form an opinion of the country. Like my aunty said, with India, it's either you love it or you hate it. No middle ground. I'm not sure which side you'll end up with but i guarantee it'll be an experience :agree:
 
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India’s Anti-Poverty Programs Are Big but Troubled

NEW DELHI — India spends more on programs for the poor than most developing countries, but it has failed to eradicate poverty because of widespread corruption and faulty government administration, the World Bank said Wednesday.

“India is not getting the ‘bang for the rupee’ that its significant expenditure would seem to warrant, and the needs of important population groups remain only party addressed,” John D. Blomquist, lead economist at the World Bank, wrote in a nearly 400-page study released Wednesday.

India spent 2 percent of its gross domestic product, or $28.6 billion last year, on social programs to alleviate and prevent poverty, the World Bank said, a higher percentage than any other country in Asia and about three times China’s spending.

The programs, central to the Congress party’s platform, include food distribution and health insurance initiatives that are supposed to reach hundreds of millions of households. The report was written at the “request of the government of India” and with full participation from various government bodies, the report said.

The World Bank on Wednesday recommended a radical overhaul of India’s social programs. “Marginal changes alone may not deliver the kind of safety net which a changing India needs for its poor and for its economy,” Mr. Blomquist wrote.

One of the primary problems, the World Bank said, was “leakages” — an often-used term in development circles that refers to government administrators and middle men stealing money, food and benefits. The bank said that 59 percent of the grain allotted for public distribution to the poor does not reach those households.

Instead of distributing food, the government might be better off giving out food stamps or cash transfers that can be easily traced through technology, the World Bank said.

India, the world’s the second-fastest growing major economy, after China, has had an economic boom in recent years that is transforming urban areas and creating a new class of extremely wealthy people. But social problems, including poverty, disease and illiteracy, remain widespread.

About 455 million Indian citizens live on less than $1.25 a day, the World Bank’s poverty line. A United Nations study released last year found more people living below the poverty threshold in eight states in India than in all of sub- Saharan Africa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/world/asia/19india.html

This is as per the recent report of world bank...45.5 crore means less than 38 % of total population (45.5/121 * 100 = 37.6).. the crank guy is busted big time....:victory:
 
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not to day but may be one india can achieve single digit poverty percentage, n our govn itself providing education vd out any external aid, but pakistan is depending upon AID frm external sources, it does matter to change the shape of country.
 
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World Bank’s Task Force on Food Security says 40pc Pakistanis living below poverty line

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ISLAMABAD: Statistics reveal stunning increase in poverty in Pakistan impacted by the prices of energy and food in the past three years.

These happen to be the worst years as far as the poverty situation in the country is concerned, data reveals.

The Federal Bureau of Statistics data updated for the Centre for Poverty Reduction and Social Policy Development (CPRSPD), Planning and Development Division, shared with The News indicates an upswing in the headcount poverty ratio for 2008-09.

The steep increase in the prices of petroleum products, electricity and natural gas as well as food items (especially flour, sugar and meat) began in 2007, while the situation worsened in 2008 with global increase in POL and commodity prices.

The financial meltdown followed as industry could not cope with the rising energy prices triggered sharp slowdown in growth and high inflation.

This situation impacted Pakistan’s economy generally and the poor households particularly, as the report indicates.

The government is yet to make this report public after its preparation is formalized and the relevant officials in high places approve its launch.

The News obtained salient figures from this report revealing that the increase in food and energy prices since late 2007 compelled the government to launch a household income and expenditure survey for assessment of poverty increase and vulnerability of the countryside and city-slum majority.

Survey to make such assessment got delayed for inexplicable reasons but the reports based on a 5-year old assessment got regularly updated for the federal cabinet’s appraisal.

The updated Planning Commission’s Interim Report based on 2004-05 poverty head count number of 23.9 percent put the increase in poverty at around 6 percent for the year 2008-09. The newly updated figures say this ratio must go as high as 29.9 percent.

The World Bank’s Task Force on Food Security had put the ratio at 29.2 percent in 2004-05, 33.8 percent in 2007-08 and 36.1 percent in 2008-09. Such estimates placed 62 million people of the country Below the Poverty Line (BPL) in 2008-09.

The new assessments say at least 20 million people might have joined the previous headcount on BPL population.

The poverty increase situation thus stood as follows: 22.3 percent of the population in 2005-06 to between 30-35 percent in 2008-09; now this population is beyond 40 percent.

The data is explained in a manner that the increase in BPL population in the rural areas is more tragic as people lost their small holdings to inflation and overall expenditure per family unit increased by more than 20 percent in the past 3 years.

Though the increase of inflation-hit population in the urban areas remained more pronounced, the net impact was far lower than in the rural areas.

More than 50 percent of the urban workforce underwent decrease in actual wages viz a viz inflation.

The high food prices undermined the government efforts for poverty reduction as food price hike severely eroded poor households’ purchasing power.

This situation indicates a serious risk of massive school dropouts at primary levels while fresh enrolments would also be on the decline.

The poorest households are compelled to spend more than 78 percent of incomes on food and other most essential expenditure, while health and education are tragically compromised areas.

Statistics Reveal Stunning Increase In Poverty
 
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World Bank’s Task Force on Food Security says 40pc Pakistanis living below poverty line

The NEWS

ISLAMABAD: Statistics reveal stunning increase in poverty in Pakistan impacted by the prices of energy and food in the past three years.

These happen to be the worst years as far as the poverty situation in the country is concerned, data reveals.

The Federal Bureau of Statistics data updated for the Centre for Poverty Reduction and Social Policy Development (CPRSPD), Planning and Development Division, shared with The News indicates an upswing in the headcount poverty ratio for 2008-09.

The steep increase in the prices of petroleum products, electricity and natural gas as well as food items (especially flour, sugar and meat) began in 2007, while the situation worsened in 2008 with global increase in POL and commodity prices.

The financial meltdown followed as industry could not cope with the rising energy prices triggered sharp slowdown in growth and high inflation.

This situation impacted Pakistan’s economy generally and the poor households particularly, as the report indicates.

The government is yet to make this report public after its preparation is formalized and the relevant officials in high places approve its launch.

The News obtained salient figures from this report revealing that the increase in food and energy prices since late 2007 compelled the government to launch a household income and expenditure survey for assessment of poverty increase and vulnerability of the countryside and city-slum majority.

Survey to make such assessment got delayed for inexplicable reasons but the reports based on a 5-year old assessment got regularly updated for the federal cabinet’s appraisal.

The updated Planning Commission’s Interim Report based on 2004-05 poverty head count number of 23.9 percent put the increase in poverty at around 6 percent for the year 2008-09. The newly updated figures say this ratio must go as high as 29.9 percent.

The World Bank’s Task Force on Food Security had put the ratio at 29.2 percent in 2004-05, 33.8 percent in 2007-08 and 36.1 percent in 2008-09. Such estimates placed 62 million people of the country Below the Poverty Line (BPL) in 2008-09.

The new assessments say at least 20 million people might have joined the previous headcount on BPL population.

The poverty increase situation thus stood as follows: 22.3 percent of the population in 2005-06 to between 30-35 percent in 2008-09; now this population is beyond 40 percent.

The data is explained in a manner that the increase in BPL population in the rural areas is more tragic as people lost their small holdings to inflation and overall expenditure per family unit increased by more than 20 percent in the past 3 years.

Though the increase of inflation-hit population in the urban areas remained more pronounced, the net impact was far lower than in the rural areas.

More than 50 percent of the urban workforce underwent decrease in actual wages viz a viz inflation.

The high food prices undermined the government efforts for poverty reduction as food price hike severely eroded poor households’ purchasing power.

This situation indicates a serious risk of massive school dropouts at primary levels while fresh enrolments would also be on the decline.

The poorest households are compelled to spend more than 78 percent of incomes on food and other most essential expenditure, while health and education are tragically compromised areas.

Statistics Reveal Stunning Increase In Poverty


and they wouldnt have considered areas like Baluchistan, waziristan where surveying is not possible.. iam sure these area will add upto 50 %..
 
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Per Capita Income in way, shape or form means that each person in a country is earning that much.. It barely means that 'collective' earnings of the country divided by 'population'.. i think you should study something other than 'typing' before sitting on a forum where you have to give 'knowledgeable' responses.. here, let me help you..

Per Capita Income

I know all of this.... indians dont need to learn about economic from pakistanis...

the point that i was making is 10 % of population cannot make up for the 90 % of population... dude .. please try to read in the context... u just read out of context... i can understand that... chill
 
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Spending millions of pounds on development in Pakistan will do nothing to keep young men out of the clutches of the Taliban, according to an extensive survey of Pakistani attitudes towards extremism which will deepen the row over Britain's aid budget.

Would you mind telling me why are you so sure? :P
 
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The focus of this thread has changed so much since i last posted. My message of peace and understanding always fails miserably in this forum :smokin:
 
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I have been to Lahore only once when I was young and to me, it was very similar to Delhi. I haven't been around Pakistan enough to comment on the poverty there yet.

Regarding Berry van Gelder statement, it's a 12 year old statement and he's entitled to have his personal opinion on India. If you asked me 1 year back what i thought of India and it's poverty, you would have heard a few expletive words :lol:

Let me repeat, i'm not saying that poverty is gone in India. On the contrary, wherever i went there were beggars and street vendors haggling me, but what i am amazed is it's level of growth and development within a short span of time. Besides China, i have never seen a country develop so rapidly.

Anyway, keep an open mind and try to pay a visit to India yourself sometime to form an opinion of the country. Like my aunty said, with India, it's either you love it or you hate it. No middle ground. I'm not sure which side you'll end up with but i guarantee it'll be an experience :agree:

Oh i'll love to visit India but the problem is that i'll get only a city's visa and have to sign every day in alloted Police station.. too much hassle IWS..
 
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