More bad news for Delhi: Mig 35s delayed by a decade

[XYON]

With the globally known 'lightening' speed of the procurement process of Indian Armed Forces; I sincerely think that a decade is not that long a time for the Russians to sell the Mig35C. Indian armed forces have heavy investment in Russian military toys, so it would be very interesting to see as when and if at all India buys the F-16, F-18, Typhoon or any other western aircraft for its front line requirement.

Go Ahead boys; buy the western aircraft, we dare you!

 

[pmukherjee]

With the globally known 'lightening' speed of the procurement process of Indian Armed Forces; I sincerely think that a decade is not that long a time for the Russians to sell the Mig35C. Indian armed forces have heavy investment in Russian military toys, so it would be very interesting to see as when and if at all India buys the F-16, F-18, Typhoon or any other western aircraft for its front line requirement.

Go Ahead boys; buy the western aircraft, we dare you!

No need to dare XYON, We are already getting the SU-30MKI and the FGFA(PAK-FA)(as and when it comes) from Russia. We are also buying western stuff in case you havent noticed. I am not sure we will go for US fighters. It is expected to be a political decision.

 

[Moscow]

illogical news, not true
serial production of mig-35 to go into production in 2013 not before

please get some original news source to confirm the news before posting

 

[hack]

OP...Shouldn't the topic of the thread be "More bad news for Russia"...looks like they just screwed themselves out of a 10-12 billion dollar contract.

I don't think India should buy the Mig anyway...India will get access to all the latest Russian tech it can thro the Pak-Fa program so why not get some access to European fighter tech.I think they should go with the EF.It is a magnificent plane.

 

[blueoval79]

Read the name of the author. "Moin Ansari" I saved some valuable time.

 

[Brahm0s]

Yes, but Typhoons dont have AESA radar, the rdr is under development. Typhoon also has no combat experience-the F/A-18 is combat proven with many kills. Another factor which may be a handicap is the production of Typhoon is hugely dispersed. Different components are made in different countries in Europe. Moreover, the F/A-18 being carrier capable does not become a handicap for the Air Force, its a bonus. I am not favouring the Super Hornet, only putting the records straight. Personally I favour the Typhoon but I feel that F/A-18 has an edge. It is the US end user agreements that are painful.

Friend you are right in a way but dont you think F-16 has more kills than F-18? That all were old times. In short 'past'. Friend if typhoon doesn't win than its rafael for sure. F-18 super hornets dont have any chance. America not giving india what it wants in F-18 super hornets. While france offering india everything in rafael. So its between typhoon vs Rafael. Both would benefit india. It doesn't matter what india chooses between Typhoon and Rafael. Friend one more thing that do you think india would pick american jet fighter and not russian jet fighter mig-35? Would that make russia alot happy? Friend trust me that both america and russia already out of competation from IAF heart. Its between Typhoon and Rafael. both are true gems and both ready to provide india whatever india wants friend.

 

[pmukherjee]

Friend you are right in a way but dont you think F-16 has more kills than F-18? That all were old times. In short 'past'. Friend if typhoon doesn't win than its rafael for sure. F-18 super hornets dont have any chance. America not giving india what it wants in F-18 super hornets. While france offering india everything in rafael. So its between typhoon vs Rafael. Both would benefit india. It doesn't matter what india chooses between Typhoon and Rafael. Friend one more thing that do you think india would pick american jet fighter and not russian jet fighter mig-35? Would that make russia alot happy? Friend trust me that both america and russia already out of competation from IAF heart. Its between Typhoon and Rafael. both are true gems and both ready to provide india whatever india wants friend.

US technology is the best in the world, no doubt of that. The Americans are charry about TOT. Also I personally feel that the US needs to be given a clear signal that India is unhappy about its role in the G-8 ban on enrichment technology. Why should India go for US planes while the US tries to shaft us? My friend, in today's world every thing is interlinked. "Give us enrichment tech and give us tech of F/A-18 and we buy your F/A-18s." That should be the deal. Since there is little hope of that coming through, I say, we go for European stuff. Rafale is more expensive so Eurofighter should be the obvious choice. Also, since the Europeans are in a very bad way financially (they cant even convince member countries to buy the Typhoon-latest tranche), we are likely to get a better deal from them. USSR/Russia is a long time friend of India, we are buying the Sukhios and the FGFA from them. That should be enough for the time being.

 

[BSF]

The real race is between Mig, Gripen and Rafael.

F 18 can join in if they upgrade to F 22 or F 35 ,,, which in either case is doubtful.

I would personally love to have F 22 Raptor...But that would be wishful thinking.

Me thinks that Mig 35 will win the MMCRA with the EADS helping in making Kaveri engine and US getting more out of the nuclear deal.

Everyone happy happy.

BANGALORE: Boeing's F-18 has come in ahead of Lockheed Martin's F-16 for the IAF's test trials in the city. The F-18's flights began at HAL
Airport on Monday, with both Indian and American pilots trying their hand.

IAF is conducting trials for 126 fighter aircraft it plans to buy next year. The F-18 has come with flight test engineers to coordinate with their Indian counterparts. Pilots from the Aircraft Systems Testing Establishment have been trained to conduct flights.

The tests involve sorties for a particular duration and are undertaken twice __ in the morning and at noon. It will look at the behaviour of the aircraft in normal weather conditions of Bangalore, thrust, engine power and flexibility of manouvres.

The F-18 is the Super Hornet version, favourite of the US Navy. F/A-18E is a one-seater, while F/A-18F is a two-seater. Manufactured by Boeing IDS, the Super Hornets are designed to fly both air-to-air missions (combat) and air-to-ground (attack) missions.

 

[sancho]

Me thinks that Mig 35 will win the MMCRA with the EADS helping in making Kaveri engine and US getting more out of the nuclear deal.

Everyone happy happy.

More than unlikely! With all the problems we have with Migs at the moment, it is highly doubtful that Mig 35 wins. The delay of Mig 35 production is just one more point in a long list that makes Migs and specially such a complete dependence on Russia not at the moment a really bad idea! There is no doubt that a western fighter will win the MMRCA.
Russia gets enough with Gorshkov + Mig 29K + Ka31, Akula 2 sub, frigats, Pak Fa and MRTA and possibly more conventional subs.

US might get Chinook and Apache deals besides P8, C130, C17 and are frontrunners in MMRCA too.

Europeans might get A330 MRTT, LCA engine deal, Fennec LUH and also very likely MMRCA (Rafale, or EF)

Isreal might get more Phalcon AWACS, missiles, satallites, defense systems, small arms, UAVs and maybe even LCA AESA radar deal.

And even our own companies benefits a lot at the moment! LCA, LCH, LOH, more Dhruv, Saras, MRTA and FGFA co-development, UAVs, missiles, Tanks, artillery, SSC, SSN, SSBN, aircraft carrier, frigats, destroyer, corvetts... and so on.

I doubt that there is a reason for anybody to be angry that they didn't get a part, because the market is hughe and India has the money to afford the best. But the competition is also hughe and there is no need for our forces to take less capable arms like more IL 78 tanker (compared to A330 MRTT), or Mig 35 fighters. The one that offers the most and suits the best must win the competitions!

 

[BSF]

Lets have a voting or a bet kind of a thing here at def.pk on who will win the MMCRA.

You know, just for fun.

My vote goes for MiG 35
Can't some one open up a poll kind of a thingy in a new thread.

 

[Mig-29]

With the globally known 'lightening' speed of the procurement process of Indian Armed Forces; I sincerely think that a decade is not that long a time for the Russians to sell the Mig35C. Indian armed forces have heavy investment in Russian military toys, so it would be very interesting to see as when and if at all India buys the F-16, F-18, Typhoon or any other western aircraft for its front line requirement.

Go Ahead boys; buy the western aircraft, we dare you!

In regards to the lightening speed of the procurement process that is know as bureaucracy , these high tickets deal take considerable time and with new policy of defense procurement things are going to get fast tracked, last time i heard GOI purchases what the defense force want, its not some other place where the navy decides on a particular submarine and the government decides to get another one

Have you read the news lately we have signed large no of defence deals with western countries and no need to dare us we are not getting these platforms in military aid.

 

[haawk]

this is bad news for the russians .....they cannot bag the indian deal if they dont develop it........we ll just get the latest russian tech through pak fa ....and get western tech from the mrca deal......

how are the indians having any bad news here?

 

[advaita]

Read the name of the author. "Moin Ansari" I saved some valuable time.

::LOL:
I didnt.
Jokes apart I think we should by Typhoon if the order is finalised tomorrow.
But since the delay is still expected and there is enough US investment in India (political+monetary+military) and no commensurate quid pro quo for them, I think Indians will takeup F-18. Indians would actually be trying very hard to get AESA. They have seen its effectiveness. It may be old but is still good enough. Indians will sure be bargaining hard.

 

[maverick2009]

Indian already has a VERY LONG HISTORY of buying off the British.

Vampires in the 1950s
Hunters & Canberras in 1960s
Jaguar & Sea Harriers 1980s
Hawk Trainers Recently

AND NOW the big one TYPHOON 2010 ORDER

 

[aimarraul]

even though sukhoi company already merged with mig,it will still take time for mig's recovery,if there's no contract from india,Mig would be asked for bankruptcy years ago.the oil price is not 150 $ per barrel anymore,with limited funds in russia's hands.there is a chance that india's money won't be used to make high-quality MIG 35 but russia's Mig1.44 ，india have to make a tough choice between Mig-35 and F-18,considering the proportion of russian-made in IA，i personally think india's 10B $ is already in russia's pocket