Moment Of Truth :---

[Trango Towers]

That is a possibility and if I have done so I apologize I was answering the person who was mentioning Mohammad Shah Rangeela


Awesome have seen it before too haha


Haha someone who is so right that cannot take the criticism and until cannot take it things will never improve.

Sure criticise...but is this man criticising or is he anti Pakistan. Have you ever seen a positive post about PAF from him.
Now people like you who want to be in his favour support him. Yet ask him what he thinks of pakistan in general. Sitting in foreign lands with a glass of beer cruising us is fine...come and do what you have to? Jinnah did after all. So either put up of shut up. Now hahahaha

 

[imranyounus]

To start with one must always b ready for war. its an order for muslim forces.

" keep your horses ready for battle"

we may have some short comings like lack of equipment. I cant discuss much on that. but one thing I believe is that war is faught across multiple spectrums.

the first one is moral the second is and also linked to first one is the price you're willing to pay. That is where willingness to die comes.

we might have limited number of aircraft but are we ready to use them. and next are we ready to lose warplanes tanks in a fight.
as some of our friends have duly pointed out that if we buy 100 more Indian could buy 500 more. number of aircraft may not be important.

there are 2 possible scenarios. limited war in such case it's not a big problem if we had few less equipment.
what is important is that what ever we have is ready and is used on time. second as the latest skirmish had shown if indian manages to attack we must b able to strike back. as a common man I believe we are capable of this. and current government has political will as well.

in second case scenario a full fledged war will not be faught in air but on ground and it will b far more bloody. and numbers wont matter.

 

[SIPRA]

Hey! I am a veteran too......

That is why, I wrote "often", not "always".

It was to exclude you and many others.

 

[Armchair]

Have you ever seen a positive post about PAF from him.

Yes I have

 

[Oruc]

some things i could never understand. PAF not going for top line fighters or equipment when they had a chance. Army not investing in good SAMs.

 

[SIPRA]

oopse I get confused, nearly wrote bahadur shah zafar, then nasir ud din muḥammad shah popped in to my head then, both got blended in to 1, I should take a week off to recover from these confusing Pdf propagandists. most time here i don't know whether I'm coming or going. Staff are the most confusing of all

Well. It also happens, when one is trying to respond to many posters, on different threads. I generally become quite selective in responding.

 

[Trango Towers]

Yes I have

I thought as much....

Yes I have

Why dont you and him do something about if instead of talking ????

Easy to sit there criticising isnt it?

 

[Armchair]

One only has to go and look through his posts to find it. For example MK started a thread praising PAF after 27

 

[Trango Towers]

One only has to go and look through his posts to find it. For example MK started a thread praising PAF after 27

Look I am not going to waste time arguing with you.

Fact is 99 percent of the time he is anti Pakistan anti PAF. Who the f is he or anyone that for that matter who sits in foreign lands and criticises us whilst we defend their stolen property whilst they ship beer. So once again if you and your golden boy are so good come to pakistan and show us how it's done. Else shut up. He is no analyst just a serial waffler

 

[araz]

Nothing unusual. Veterans are often senile.

Hey!!!! Dont paint all veterans with the same brush. Iam one too having been on the forum for 13 years HaaHaa.
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MK isn't drunk.
@messiach has said that she feels Pak has been sabotaged from the top. Why would she say that?
Ask yourself that

To analyze this further you need to qualify how Pakistan has been sabotaged from the top. We have a history full of gross negligence and downright treason but we have the advantage of looking at this with a retrospectoscope. For instance we were made to believe Liaquat Ali Khan scuffed USSR to go to USA, but it seems our Quaid tried to do the same. Now what happened later was perhaps incited by US but no one could have foreseen what was going to happen.
The last 10 years have almost certainly been a sabotage but can you blame PAF for it? This is the question.
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[SIPRA]

Hey!!!! Dont paint all veterans with the same brush. Iam one too having been on the forum for 13 years HaaHaa.
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Another friend @IceCold also complained. But you should notice that I have not said "always", but "often", to allow necessary exclusions, as and when required.

Your posts are, of course, very illuminating and I read many of them.

In any case, pun was intended. Otherwise, most of the veterans and many other posters are very capable analysts as well as very good communicators.

 

[araz]

Another friend @IceCold also complained. But you should notice that I have not said "always", but "often", to allow necessary exclusions, as and when required.

Your posts are, of course, very illuminating and I read many of them.

In any case, pun was intended. Otherwise, most of the veterans and many other posters are very capable analysts as well as very good communicators.

Help! Iam slipping! Who buttered me up!!!Anyways thanks. My reponse was in gest as well to lighten up the mood. Anyways being a veteran and being senile possibly go hand in hand as well.
I would however advise all posters to respond to posters with courtesy and their posts with objectivity. This is what makes this forum fun. In my infancy on the forum, I once saw Muradk and Xmen arguing very aggressivel both were Ex air force. So things happen sometimes but most times one needs to maintain civility.
Kind regards
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[MastanKhan]

As irrational as your post maybe,

I just need you to provide evidence to back up the highlighted parts.

and remember I asked for facts, not your "thoughts" nor assumption.

Hi,

Oh wow---what a 'clever' comment---" provide proof "---.

 

[SIPRA]

Help! Iam slipping! Who buttered me up!!!Anyways thanks. My reponse was in gest as well to lighten up the mood. Anyways being a veteran and being senile possibly go hand in hand as well.
I would however advise all posters to respond to posters with courtesy and their posts with objectivity. This is what makes this forum fun. In my infancy on the forum, I once saw Muradk and Xmen arguing very aggressivel both were Ex air force. So things happen sometimes but most times one needs to maintain civility.
Kind regards
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Whatever I have said, is in earnest. Of course, I knew that your post was in a lighter vein.

I don't know, whenever word "veteran" appears, why, immediately, Indian General(R) G D Bakshi comes to my mind.

 

[TsAr]

Thank you for the clarification. As to Kargil and the curent Kashmir empasse, these are two different issues with their own dynamics. I have alluded to it earlier but Pak lands needs indians to initiate aggression to gain legitimacy. However with increasing death toll our hand will be tied.
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He was tried and sentenced and fined money, I think 30 million dollars, if I remember correctly. So he paid the price.
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He was extradited from USA, put on trial, did a plea bargain , paid and was let go according to the law