Mohsin Dawar's side of the story about Kharqamar incident

[Kabira]

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

He didn't say anything wrong, inquiry should be held. I remember there are videos somewhere of incident where one can see PTM supporters attacking check post. Which will justify response from soldiers. I mean 2 soldiers died so its clear PTM didn't went with flowers.

We all know afghan jihad have been mostly bad for Pakistan. We also know Afghanistan have always supported anti-Pakistan terrorists. So supporting afghan jihad against Soviet/India backed Kabul government would have seen logical by establishment back in 70's. Bhutto warned Afghanistan. There is history behind this, its not like one day Pakistan decided to just support Afghan militants for no reason at all. Its kind of cute for Afghanis and their slaves in ANP/PTM play victim card talking about last 40 years while ignoring 30 years before that.

 

[xyxmt]

I will not forgive our Army for letting him go alive

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

why are you giving us these information?

 

[Areesh]

It was the Pakistan military who wanted the operation in order to clean fata and I dont disagree with it but the demand to name the terrorists is genuine? Why do we cover the faces of the terrorist snakes.

Not only Pakistan military but it was same Mohsin Dawar himself who was the biggest supporter of military operations and even drone attacks by USA.

In fact he used to justify deaths of civilians in drone attacks

What suddenly changed that same guy became the biggest supporter of Pashtun rights and that too when peace came in the FATA area? USA killing Pashtun civilians was fine but Pak army firing in its defense after goons attacked their check post is wrong?

And this kharqamar checkpost attack happened much later. The very "peaceful" Ali Wazir was inciting people to attack Pak army troops since a year ago.


He even asked people to drag Pak army troops by tying them to their vehicles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135274710961442819

Kharqamar incident happened much later

I had to share these facts since @Xestan won't share them with you

 

[PakAlp]

Not only Pakistan military but it was same Mohsin Dawar himself who was the biggest supporter of military operations and even drone attacks by USA.

In fact he used to justify deaths of civilians in drone attacks

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What suddenly changed that same guy became the biggest supporter of Pashtun rights and that too when peace came in the FATA area? USA killing Pashtun civilians was fine but Pak army firing in its defense after goons attacked their check post is wrong?

And this kharqamar checkpost attack happened much later. The very "peaceful" Ali Wazir was inciting people to attack Pak army troops since a year ago.


He even asked people to drag Pak army troops by tying them to their vehicles

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135274710961442819

Kharqamar incident happened much later

I had to share these facts since @Xestan won't share them with you

Shocking facts. These guys are traitors. I have no idea why Pti has let them in the parliament, they should have instead countered these goons on the streets of Peshawar, not give them a voice in our Parliament.

Since they are in the parliament and the whole is hearing their voices. Pakistan has to sort out any problems or issues caused to fata people. The development of fata is a must and this will be the biggest slap on these guys faces.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

So wait, he isnt being tried for treason and terrorism? What the actual Fek?

 

[Zibago]

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

They enjoy support in rural communities yet they lost the election in the same communities :-// ?

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

When mna,s use civilians to attack a checkpost the state has the duty to reposn

Agreed. War zone. But, 15 dead is excessive force, that too on civilians. Idk if you're getting my point but those 15 dead gave a lot of fuel to a certain fire.

If it gave fuel clearly ptm shouldve won in the fata election but it didnt

 

[Imad.Khan]

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

Let me start by a small historical lesson. PTM burst on the scene after Rao Anwar murdered a Pukhtoon Naqeebullah Mehsud in Karachi. Everyone knows the background of Rao Anwar and whos right hand man he is. PTM used his murder to its advantage by exploiting the sentiments of the Pukhtoons. PTM mouth piece is Manzoor Pashteen. Who is Manzoor Pashteen, to answer this question let me share some pics that were posted in 2016 on PashtunTimes twitter account (this is an anti-state twitter account).

However majority of Pukhtoons soon realized their true agenda and withdrew support for them. Their hypocrisy is also evident in this picture.

So what happened to justice for Naqeebullah Mehsud? Why is PTM so cordial wiith the killers of Naqeebullah Mehsud? How was SP Dawar murdered and how did he end up in Afghanistan?

Now lets talk about your comment "if this happened in Lahore". My response is if anyone attacks an army check post anywhere in the country, those people deserve to be killed, their ethnic background is irrelevant.

As for my opinion, So far all actions of PTM go against our code of Pukhtoonwali.

 

[Areesh]

Shocking facts. These guys are traitors. I have no idea why Pti has let them in the parliament, they should have instead countered these goons on the streets of Peshawar, not give them a voice in our Parliament.

Since they are in the parliament and the whole is hearing their voices. Pakistan has to sort out any problems or issues caused to fata people. The development of fata is a must and this will be the biggest slap on these guys faces.

They indeed are traitors. In fact they are proxies. Working for their employers

Unfortunately I am a bit busy nowadays however I am going to start a very detailed thread exposing PTM bit by bit and thread by thread for a piece of sh!t it is

In a day or two I might create that thread. The thread would be completely based on facts and nothing else

Time to expose these b@stars for what they are and end their drama of genuine grievances.

 

[Zibago]

Let me start by a small historical lesson. PTM burst on the scene after Rao Anwar murdered a Pukhtoon Naqeebullah Mehsud in Karachi. Everyone knows the background of Rao Anwar and whos right hand man he is. PTM used his murder to its advantage by exploiting the sentiments of the Pukhtoons. PTM mouth piece is Manzoor Pashteen. Who is Manzoor Pashteen, to answer this question let me share some pics that were posted in 2016 on PashtunTimes twitter account (this is an anti-state twitter account).

However majority of Pukhtoons soon realized their true agenda and withdrew support for them. Their hypocrisy is also evident in this picture.

So what happened to justice for Naqeebullah Mehsud? Why is PTM so cordial wiith the killers of Naqeebullah Mehsud? How was SP Dawar murdered and how did he end up in Afghanistan?

Now lets talk about your comment "if this happened in Lahore". My response is if anyone attacks an army check post anywhere in the country, those people deserve to be killed, their ethnic background is irrelevant.

As for my opinion, So far all actions of PTM go against our code of Pukhtoonwali.

After 70000 casualties people still are debating if attacking a checkpost is ok
******** dimagh hy ky kadu? Tabut khatam ho gaye par fake liberals ko aqal na ayi

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

When Prime Minister Imran Khan decided not to field candidates against Mohsin Dawar and Ali Wazir, it didn't mean he agreed with PTM's actions but that we need to go to every extent to not alienate a segment of our society.

As most Pakistanis I also disagree with PTM's tactics but it's important to understand what they say and why they enjoy such strong support in rural Pashtoon communities.

The time when Kharqamar incident took place, I had a friend over in my city for his holidays. He belongs to Turi Tribe and is one of the most patriotic people I know. Serving at Leepa right now at LoC.

We had a discussion over the incident and he asked me a simple question; what if for some reason people protested in Lahore in front of an Army check post and 15 people were killed by the troops, would all of us have the same reaction to the incident as we had for people who died at Kharqamar. They were Pakistani too.

Anyways, to cut the story short. Here's what MNA Mohsin Dawar has to say about the unfortunate incident. Let's be civilise and discuss how things can in the right direction.

Attacking an Army check post is bad, but excessive use of force is worse, especially against your own citizens.

Wrong analogy attacking army post snatching weapons and killing 5 troops is not equal to peaceful protest When you attack army means you are fighting with state and not the Government

 

[Mav3rick]

These traitors dont have a side

Our state needs the fire to burn these enemies of Pakistan into the ground and their afghani supporters alongside them

Perhaps it would be more prudent to determine why we have so many 'traitors'. The ease with which people are termed 'traitor', the country quite possibly is made up of 200 million traitors, 1.3 million patriots and remaining are supporters of the patriots.

 

[Cuirassier]

This is major issue in PA and in all other armies. w/o officers the NCO-led troops show little restraint to any hostile body, hence causing unnecessary casualties just like those at Kharqamar. Yes the civilians were stupid to charge onto a military post, but better trigger discipline would've saved the Mil's image with the locals to a much greater extent.

 

[Xestan]

He didn't say anything wrong, inquiry should be held. I remember there are videos somewhere of incident where one can see PTM supporters attacking check post. Which will justify response from soldiers. I mean 2 soldiers died so its clear PTM didn't went with flowers.

We all know afghan jihad have been mostly bad for Pakistan. We also know Afghanistan have always supported anti-Pakistan terrorists. So supporting afghan jihad against Soviet/India backed Kabul government would have seen logical by establishment back in 70's. Bhutto warned Afghanistan. There is history behind this, its not like one day Pakistan decided to just support Afghan militants for no reason at all. Its kind of cute for Afghanis and their slaves in ANP/PTM play victim card talking about last 40 years while ignoring 30 years before that.

Negative, there were no casualties of the Military at Kharqamar check-post during this incident.

And well, supporting drone attacks is not an admission of guilt for treason. Ask officers who served with 7th Div back in 2011 and 2012 and they will tell you how drones were the only protection they had when we had tied the hands of our soldiers and hundreds were martyred with IEDs.

This is major issue in PA and in all other armies. w/o officers the NCO-led troops show little restraint to any hostile body, hence causing unnecessary casualties just like those at Kharqamar. Yes the civilians were stupid to charge onto a military post, but better trigger discipline would've saved the Mil's image with the locals to a much greater extent.

Thank you. This is the whole point. And the thread was supposed to be a discussion about Military discipline and what strategies to deploy in certain scenarios but PDF today has more emotional holier than thou patriots that they cannot digest a civilised debate.

 

[Kabira]

Negative, there were no casualties of the Military at Kharqamar check-post during this incident.

And well, supporting drone attacks is not an admission of guilt for treason. Ask officers who served with 7th Div back in 2011 and 2012 and they will tell you how drones were the only protection they had when we had tied the hands of our soldiers and hundreds were martyred with IEDs.

Sorry not 2 but 1 soldier was killed by PTM. That shows they didn't went with flowers but with intent to kill and create chaos.

But you cannot be against army operation/drone attacks in 2019 while having completely different opinion back in 2012. Just shows Dawar is opportunist, he knew ANP is in decline and changed sides. This is why PTM have started to look like ANP with all that progressive ANP shenanigans like women dancing and all that to get support from foreign powers.

 

[Xestan]

Sorry not 2 but 1 soldier was killed by PTM. That shows they didn't went with flowers but with intent to kill and create chaos.

But you cannot be against army operation/drone attacks in 2019 while having completely different opinion back in 2012. Just shows Dawar is opportunist, he knew ANP is in decline and changed sides. This is why PTM have started to look like ANP with all that progressive ANP shenanigans like women dancing and all that to get support from foreign powers.

I'd again repeat, there were no casualties at the check-post on Army's side. You can check with public relations and if you get the name of the soldier, let me know too.

Secondly, PTM is a mixture of different small opportunist groups. Some enjoy support with pashtoon population, some don't. It's another face of pashtoon nationalism which is not alien to Pakistani politics. About drone attacks. Yeah, PTM is hypocritical about a lot of issues, but same's the case about our State, that's how it builds legitimacy with local people.

A few have questioned why I mentioned about a friend who serves at LoC and belongs to Kurram, is that a lot of Pashtoons do feel that demands made by PTM are genuine, and that forces them to sympathise with them.