Modified Yuan with YJ8 cruise missile a threat to Indian Navy

[Zarvan]

The Chinese started building the first phase of four yuan class submarine requested by the Pakistani Navy under a $5 billion deal. as the second phase of four submarines will be built in Karachi Pakistan with the transfer of technology. including modifications of last two submarines with Vertical launching cells. which can fire submarine launched cruise missiles or Ballistic missiles. the Pakistan get the export version of Yuan class dubbed by S 20, comes without having the Air independent propulsion which keep the submarine submerged for longer times.

China and Pakistan signed a deal to procure eight modified yuan class diesel electric submarines. under this deal with quick delivery option and transfer of technology also discussed. So both agreed to build four in each nations. the first four will be constructed in China. meantime Karachi too started building the next four. however the last two which is planned to build in Karachi will modified to carry submarine launched missiles to carry Pakistani nuclear missiles for credible second strike capability against India.

Compared to the Pakistani surface fleet, it's submerged fleet is very good. Pakistan operates two older Agosta class submarines, which is almost 35 years old. however recent upgrades makes the boats still running. Pakistan Navy also operates three modern AIP powered French designed Agosta class submarines. each one built in Pakistan and France, and one partially assembled in Pakistan. Pakistan also gets complete transfer of technology before building the last Agosta in Karachi.


Agosta class submarine
Those Pakistani Agosta's are more modernized compared to other version. it comes with lower acoustic signatures, increased dive depth upto 350 meters full load, with improved AIP performance and operational Range. the Submarine comes with four 533mm heavy weight torpedo tubes. as well as tube launched Exocet anti shipping cruise missile for stand off engagements.





Compared to the Agosta the newer Yuan is bit under powered in all parameters. Since France almost stopped it's assistance to Pakistani defense sector. The Pakistani's forced to buy their military needs only from China and Russia. the yuan is bigger in size, to carry more armaments. the ship size is some 76 meters length weighting upto 3500 tons. most modern Submarines comes with half of this weight. however the Yuan's structure is double hulled, to escape from bigger depth charges and mines shock.


Same like other submarines, the Yuan armed with six 533mm Torpedo tubes for launching heavyweight torpedo's. the Ship only accommodate Russian and Chinese Torpedo's. while Europeans won't supply torpedo's to China and Pakistan, due to previous intellectual property violations.


YJ 8 anti shipping cruise missile
The torpedo tubes also fires long range anti shipping cruise missiles. It's believed that Yuan can carry YJ 8 anti shipping sub sonic sea skimming cruise missiles, ranging upto 100 kilometers. with the 150 kg's of armor piercing and high explosive warhead can disable any bigger warships, if it hits the Ship's super structure. the YJ 8 comes with active radar seeker, which can target the enemy ship in terminal phase for better accuracy and high probability of kill. Pakistan already operating such anti shipping cruise missiles from it's Fighter jets and Frigates.

Indian Navy building modern submarines for it's fleet support. unlike Pakistani Navy, Indian Navy operates under a group of flotilla just like the US Navy. also Indian Navy too have ambush forces for surprise attack. Navy almost has some good numbers of fast attack boats with missile launching capability. Operation Trident and Operation Opera is the good example.

It's believed that The first Yuan for Pakistan would be rolled out within one or two years, and induction of first S 20 before 2020 after completing all trails. with the parallel production Pakistan will deploy all of it's yuan boats before 2022.

Life of Soldiers: Pakistan buys 8 Yuan class Submarines from China for $5 billion

 

[mkb95]

air-based anti-sub system are best way to counter any sub.india has p8i(modified version of p8a).It features two major components not fitted on the P-8A, a Telephonics APS-143 OceanEye aft radar and a magnetic anomaly detector.reports are there that further 16 may be order.
quick facts about p8

• For the P-8, Boeing uses a first-in-industry in-line production system that leverages the best of Boeing Commercial and Boeing Defense for development and production.
• The P-8 can fly up to 41,000 feet and travel up to 490 knots.
• P-8 offers higher reliability – the 737 has a 99.8 percent dispatch rate, with more than 4,000 aircraft flying, and 6,600+ orders.
• The P-8 is engineered for 25 years/25,000 hours in the harshest maritime flight regimes, including extended operations in icing environments.
• The P-8 can fly in all flight regimes, and can self-deploy up to 4,500 miles from base without refueling.
• Dual CFM-56B commercial engines each provide 27,000 pounds of thrust, greatly enhancing climb and flight characteristics over turboprop equipped aircraft.
• Each engine is equipped with a 180KVA engine driven generator. Combined with the 90KVA commercial APU, this provides 450KVA of power. P-8 possesses significant growth capacity for equipment with excess onboard power and cooling capacity.
• P-8 has twice the sonobuoy processing capability and can carry 30 percent more sonobuoys than any maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft currently flying.
• P-8 has the ability to control unmanned air vehicles (level 2 control-receive) to extend sensor reach.
• P-8 offers commonality with 737 fleet and other military platforms that use the 737 airframe.
• weapon of p8
• 5 internal and 6 external stations for AGM-84H/K SLAM-Er,mark 54 lwt,harpoon,missile,mine, bombs, and a High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon system.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Very poor range,subsonic old missile.Even barak-1 can put it down easily.Forget barak-8.
The exocets on the agostas are more dangerous.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Compared to the Agosta the newer Yuan is bit under powered in all parameters.

Then why the F()k we are going for these ships if they are not better then a 20 year old tech ???

Since France almost stopped its assistance to Pakistani defense sector.

Is this regarding Agosta and its systems or is this about overall defence assistance ???

That's bullsh!t or we won't be having availability of systems for different projects as per my knowledge

Does this article has some credibility ???

Who is Sajeev Jino ... Seems some Indian scumbag paid to write sh!tty analysis.

 

[nik141991]

Indian Navy ships have SAMs to take down hypersonic cruise missiles.

Which SAM system kindly elaborate

 

[nik141991]

Barak-8

Barak-8

No it can't not above mach 4

 

[SR-91]

Then why the F()k we are going for these ships if they are not better then a 20 year old tech ???

Pakistan made a huge mistake when they decided to cancel deal with Germany for TYPE-214 submarines. Instead they went to china n look what they are giving you.

 

[Zarvan]

Very poor range,subsonic old missile.Even barak-1 can put it down easily.Forget barak-8.
The exocets on the agostas are more dangerous.

Better Missiles would come most probably advance version of Babur

 

[Beast]

Pakistan made a huge mistake when they decided to cancel deal with Germany for TYPE-214 submarines. Instead they went to china n look what they are giving you.

Sourgrap at its best.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Better Missiles would come most probably advance version of Babur

Babur is a mediocre choice for anti-ship duty as well, better due to range but thats it.Not a specialist,nor supersonic.Submarine launched babur will not be used for anti-ship duty but land-attack ,in this its a good choice.

For a true underwater deterrent u need a 200 km plus supersonic sea skimmer.

 

[SR-91]

Sourgrap at its best.

Ofcourse, how could i forget, paid CCPs here.


Believe me, i don't care? I was talking in benefit of Pakistan.
Indian navy was happier when they found out Pakistan is going with Chinese sub.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Babur is a mediocre choice for anti-ship duty as well, better due to range but thats it.Not a specialist,nor supersonic.Submarine launched babur will not be used for anti-ship duty but land-attack ,in this its a good choice.

For a true underwater deterrent u need a 200 km plus supersonic sea skimmer.

Kids on this forum discuss weapon system like dating a Girl.
Babur is a land attack cruise missile and it will carry on this role,no matter from where it is launched.
Pakistan has got harpoon,exocet and c-802 for Anti-ship role.

 

[knight11]

Indian Navy ships have SAMs to take down hypersonic cruise missiles.

Indian Navy have Barak 2/8 but it can counter supersonic not hypersonic, anyway YJ8 as per the article is subsonic, and it seems equal to harpoon.

Kids on this forum discuss weapon system like dating a Girl.
Babur is a land attack cruise missile and it will carry on this role,no matter from where it is launched.
Pakistan has got harpoon,exocet and c-802 for Anti-ship role.

He means
Babur is a mediocre choice for anti-ship duty as well, better due to range but thats it.Not a specialist,nor supersonic.Submarine launched babur will not be used for Sea 2 Land (submarine launch/surface launch) but land-attack ,in this its a good choice.

For a true underwater deterrent u need a 200 km plus supersonic sea skimmer.

 

[Basel]

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The Chinese started building the first phase of four yuan class submarine requested by the Pakistani Navy under a $5 billion deal. as the second phase of four submarines will be built in Karachi Pakistan with the transfer of technology. including modifications of last two submarines with Vertical launching cells. which can fire submarine launched cruise missiles or Ballistic missiles. the Pakistan get the export version of Yuan class dubbed by S 20, comes without having the Air independent propulsion which keep the submarine submerged for longer times.

China and Pakistan signed a deal to procure eight modified yuan class diesel electric submarines. under this deal with quick delivery option and transfer of technology also discussed. So both agreed to build four in each nations. the first four will be constructed in China. meantime Karachi too started building the next four. however the last two which is planned to build in Karachi will modified to carry submarine launched missiles to carry Pakistani nuclear missiles for credible second strike capability against India.

Compared to the Pakistani surface fleet, it's submerged fleet is very good. Pakistan operates two older Agosta class submarines, which is almost 35 years old. however recent upgrades makes the boats still running. Pakistan Navy also operates three modern AIP powered French designed Agosta class submarines. each one built in Pakistan and France, and one partially assembled in Pakistan. Pakistan also gets complete transfer of technology before building the last Agosta in Karachi.


Agosta class submarine
Those Pakistani Agosta's are more modernized compared to other version. it comes with lower acoustic signatures, increased dive depth upto 350 meters full load, with improved AIP performance and operational Range. the Submarine comes with four 533mm heavy weight torpedo tubes. as well as tube launched Exocet anti shipping cruise missile for stand off engagements.





Compared to the Agosta the newer Yuan is bit under powered in all parameters. Since France almost stopped it's assistance to Pakistani defense sector. The Pakistani's forced to buy their military needs only from China and Russia. the yuan is bigger in size, to carry more armaments. the ship size is some 76 meters length weighting upto 3500 tons. most modern Submarines comes with half of this weight. however the Yuan's structure is double hulled, to escape from bigger depth charges and mines shock.


Same like other submarines, the Yuan armed with six 533mm Torpedo tubes for launching heavyweight torpedo's. the Ship only accommodate Russian and Chinese Torpedo's. while Europeans won't supply torpedo's to China and Pakistan, due to previous intellectual property violations.


YJ 8 anti shipping cruise missile
The torpedo tubes also fires long range anti shipping cruise missiles. It's believed that Yuan can carry YJ 8 anti shipping sub sonic sea skimming cruise missiles, ranging upto 100 kilometers. with the 150 kg's of armor piercing and high explosive warhead can disable any bigger warships, if it hits the Ship's super structure. the YJ 8 comes with active radar seeker, which can target the enemy ship in terminal phase for better accuracy and high probability of kill. Pakistan already operating such anti shipping cruise missiles from it's Fighter jets and Frigates.

Indian Navy building modern submarines for it's fleet support. unlike Pakistani Navy, Indian Navy operates under a group of flotilla just like the US Navy. also Indian Navy too have ambush forces for surprise attack. Navy almost has some good numbers of fast attack boats with missile launching capability. Operation Trident and Operation Opera is the good example.

It's believed that The first Yuan for Pakistan would be rolled out within one or two years, and induction of first S 20 before 2020 after completing all trails. with the parallel production Pakistan will deploy all of it's yuan boats before 2022.

Life of Soldiers: Pakistan buys 8 Yuan class Submarines from China for $5 billion

I don't think YJ-8 are coming with those subs because YJ-18 is available and its really deadly weapon.

YJ-18

And PN never going to accept any thing inferior to 90-Bs in any way, whatever is coming from China will be superior to 90-Bs in all aspects.[/URL]

Very poor range,subsonic old missile.Even barak-1 can put it down easily.Forget barak-8.
The exocets on the agostas are more dangerous.

Augusta (70s) can fire Harpoon block-2.

 

[knight11]

I don't think YJ-8 are coming with those subs because YJ-18 is available and its really deadly weapon.

YJ-18

And PN never going to accept any thing inferior to 90-Bs in any way, whatever is coming from China will be superior to 90-Bs in all aspects.



Augusta (70s) can fire Harpoon block-2.

Sir/Janab

1 Does YJ-18 have entered the service ? When ? Link
2. When was it offered to Pakistan ?
3. Does every weapon developed by China is automatically offered and transfers to Pakistan ?
4. Is it necessary that whatever is good for China is good for Pakistan, because India don't have an Aiegis ?
5. If we considered that it is with the pakistan, than it won't be attacking the ships that are too small, due to its price, and the one it will target would have the Barak 8, which can counter supersonic threat up to 80 KM. Are you confident that it can defeat this shield.