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Modi govt writing finis to Tejas?

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All work related to designing and developing the indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft and its variants, including the right-weighted naval Tejas, has come to a stop at ADA and HAL.

The plan was for the air force Mk-II version of the LCA Tejas light combat aircraft — a much improved version of the Mk-IA equipped with the indigenous DRDO AESA radar that Parrikar succeeded in forcing on the Indian Air Force to, in turn, lead in a natural progression to the follow-on advance medium combat aircraft (AMCA), which would also incorporate design features of the Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). The FGFA to be produced in India is to include the features the IAF wanted in it, such as the 360 degree radar surveillance and tracking, a two-pilot configuration (the IAF under Charlie Brown asked for, but better sense prevailed as Vayu Bhavan realized that would increase its RCS) and even a new power plant. The Indian Govt has already invested in this collaborative project to the tune of some $1billion-$1.5 billion, and was cleared by then defence minister Manohar Parrikar in February this year.

This entire plan is now unraveling with the Modi govt, at IAF’s persistent prodding, doing a rethink on the FGFA despite enormous investment of monies and Indian effort into it. The HAL chairman T Suvarna Raju has written to defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman strongly pitching for the FGFA program, especially stressing the fact that India stands to gain very advanced technologies that no other country is prepared to transfer in full, including computer source codes for every technology and feature in it, which will be the building blocks for the indigenous aerospace industry. (See https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-project-with-russia/articleshow/61189233.cms )

The question is will Sitharaman display some little common sense and see that the F-16 and F-18 combo the US govt under Trump is pushing on Delhi supposedly to cement the “100 year” strategic partnership that Rex Tillerson offered as a means of containing China and maintaining peace in the Indo-Pacific/ Asia-Pacific region, will take India back half a century in aerospace terms. That’s how old the Lockheed Martin F-16 and the Boeing F-18 really are. Agility-wise, the Tejas can run circles around the F-16 and F-18, what to talk of the Pakistan Air Force — flying the F-16 for the last 30 years — which no doubt, is licking its chops in anticipation of the IAF fielding its own F-16s, and once again making a grievous historic blunder of the kind that led to GOI, on IAF’s say-so, junking the Marut Mk-II in the early 1970s, buying instead the British Jaguar deep penetration and strike aircraft that cannot strike hard and penetrate deep at the same time, and ending the prospects of locally designed and produced combat aircraft and aerospace industry, and sealing the future of the country as an arms dependency.

Parrikar understood very well the importance of the LCA as lead-in hereafter to only Indian aircraft in IAF and Indian Navy’s inventory and resisted all overtures from the armed services in the direction of the FGFA rejection. Because let’s be clear what IAF’s enthusiasm for AMCA really is — it is a cover to ditch all indigenous aircraft altogether. Because without Tejas Mk-II and FGFA there’s no AMCA! This is the kind of brilliant tactical strategy the Indian military excels in — sawing off the limb of a tree the country is perched on. Parrikar saw through it, but lacked the guts to explain to Modi, stuck on simple-minded notions of ‘Make in India’ the importance of sticking with Tejas and marshaling all national resources into it, and going with the economical Su-30-Tejas variants option backed by FGFA as technology seedbed. But Modi went ahead and procured 36 Rafales from France anyway, preempting Parrikar’s correct choice of relying on augmented numbers of Su-30 upgraded to “super Sukoi” model, that would have resulted in a far superior Indian air order-of-battle than the hodge-podge fleet IAF will be fielding in the 2020s and beyond. God help the country.

Now what of Sitharaman? Her background is curious. A JNU product and, like many of this Leftist local university’ s alumni, she took to the opportunities offered by the big, bad, Western world like fish to water. She worked at a senior position in the American firm, Price Waterhouse Cooper, in London, and as a producer at the British Broadcasting Corporation, requiring security clearance from the UK security services. Incidentally, was this background of no concern to the ruling BJP and GOI before she began climbing their ranks to now be the Union defence minister? So, it should surprise no one greatly if she speedily puts her signature on contracts to buy the obsolete F-16s and F-18s, 100 more or whatever of the Rafale, and similar, usually technologically dated, imported hardware from US, UK, France, Israel, et al the armed services keep pleading for.
 
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:alcoholic: prashant bhushan , naam hi kafi hai . this petty lawyer started his career by fighting and filing illegitimate cases against the powerful , rich and famous in my country . shoot and scoot is his policy , BC eek bhi case nahi jeeta yeh kabhi , bakwas karta rehta hai hamesha , tv pe aa ke .
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anyways it is understandable as elections are approaching , that unemployed anna hazare will too come out of his chohe ka bill soon as they belong to the coterie of khujliwal .
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India will never get anything done at this rate...

you guys need to hire more scientists and engineers from MIT (madras institute of technology)
 
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I just hope you are both completely wrong. If these things come through, it's an absolute nightmare.
 
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I just hope you are both completely wrong. If these things come through, it's an absolute nightmare.

It's just a lot of hot air.

You really think the govt has any guts to mess around with military plans? The political parties are not able to handle the pressure from the small VVIP and Tatra truck scandals, forget multi-billion dollar fighter jets.

Once the tender for a single engine foreign fighter went out it was over for Tejas

Block 2 is history and Block 1 is ONLY being inducted to justify all the effort

All 123 LCAs will be inducted before the first foreign SE jet comes to India.
 
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It's just a lot of hot air.

You really think the govt has any guts to mess around with military plans? The political parties are not able to handle the pressure from the small VVIP and Tatra truck scandals, forget multi-billion dollar fighter jets.

The story told was that the government was being duped by the IAF, and that parts of the IAF plan to continue to buy foreign, with the huge kickbacks that such a policy produces, are favoured by Modi because they may involve a convenient way to curry favour with the Americans.

Public reports indicate that the IAF is strongly against further association with the PAK-FA programme, that is supposed to feed into the FGFA. So part of this narrative in the post may be true.

All 123 LCAs will be inducted before the first foreign SE jet comes to India.

Not the point. The Mark 2s will not be developed. The possibility of a naval version is in doubt. If so, there is far more difficulty in bridging the gap to the AMCA.
 
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Tejas was a good effort and we gained tremendous experience but why the rush to incorproate this if ee can do better? So many countries design a product only to roll it back or shelf it, then focus on building a better product? China and the US does it all the time.... so why are trying to push this when I know we can do netter when it comes to a better design?
 
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Tejas was a good effort and we gained tremendous experience but why the rush to incorproate this if ee can do better? So many countries design a product only to roll it back or shelf it, then focus on building a better product? China and the US does it all the time.... so why are trying to push this when I know we can do netter when it comes to a better design?

Ego?
 
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123 Tejas MK1/M1A by 2027


And from 2020

120 F16/70 between 2020-2030


THESE WILL HAPPEN 100% Guranteed




INDIA WILL INDUCT 240 fighters in 12 years

You will induct 123 tejas as a political propaganda tool after your government arm twisted your air force into buying

Tejas may have incremental improvements but nothing more

Mk2 is over

Because the Tejas is a lemon and can't do the job you have to buy a single engine fighter from abroad to do the job tejas was supposed to do


It's Indian ego that is stopping you from admitting this

Tejas will spend its life flying your flag at Indian day airshows so Indians can puff out their chest about their "indigenous" fighter and protecting Tamil naidu from the threat of mermaid attack

No. No one is pushing the Mk2 or Navy version.

That's because no one wants it, your government already arm twisted your military into buying 123 of the mark1.
Even then your military only agreed because they misheard the government and thought the government spokesman said they could buy
One, two or three
Should have seen their faces when they realised they had signed up for 123 tejas's:o:
 
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You will induct 123 tejas as a political propaganda tool after your government arm twisted your air force into buying

Tejas may have incremental improvements but nothing more

Mk2 is over

Because the Tejas is a lemon and can't do the job you have to buy a single engine fighter from abroad to do the job tejas was supposed to do


It's Indian ego that is stopping you from admitting this

Tejas will spend its life flying your flag at Indian day airshows so Indians can puff out their chest about their "indigenous" fighter and protecting Tamil naidu from the threat of mermaid attack

The government didn’t arm twist IAF here and it never does. The true story to clear any doubts further is here.

IAF didn’t accept Tejas in its configuration more than 40. And asked for Mk 2 but it was persuaded to accept an improved version of Mk1 with changes that are AESA, BVR FLIR IFR and an increase in AoA to 26% and that is being met by MK1A.

MK2 was going to be with better thrust but it was negotiated to increase the thrust as is by reducing the weight however significant or marginal that would be but it is being done.

The prospects for Tejas now is to act as a milestone into developing it into a next gen fighter.

The reason why SE fighters like F18 and F16s or gripen being considered is 1. To bridge the gap of needs 2. To use their contributions in creating a MIC that can cater to industrial base for mass production of jets.

Indian govt doesn’t work on sentiments and ego.
 
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