What's new

Modi govt writing finis to Tejas?

Let me translate for everyone into English

IAF didn’t accept Tejas in its configuration more than 40
IAF said it was shit and didnt want any

asked for Mk 2 but it was persuaded to accept an improved version of Mk1
IAF said Mk1 was rubbish, they wanted it junked and major improvements made and a Mk2 version made to fit requirements of IAF.
Persuaded= arm twisted, forced to accept the current Mk1 junk

The prospects for Tejas now is to act as a milestone into developing it into a next gen fighter.
Indians have begun to accept the utter failure of Tejas programme and are trying to find a silver lining, the lining being they hope to have learnt from all the fcuk up's they have commited

The reason why SE fighters like F18 and F16s or gripen being considered
Because you have no other choice after Tejas programme was a flop!

Indian govt doesn’t work on sentiments and ego
Balls!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
.
Let me translate for everyone into English


IAF said it was shit and didnt want any


IAF said Mk1 was rubbish, they wanted it junked and major improvements made and a Mk2 version made to fit requirements of IAF.
Persuaded= arm twisted, forced to accept the current Mk1 junk


Indians have begun to accept the utter failure of Tejas programme and are trying to find a silver lining, the lining being they hope to have learnt from all the fcuk up's they have commited


Because you have no other choice after Tejas programme was a flop!


Balls!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want this debate to go further you will change your way of talking. I’m being courteous here.
 
.
I am GLAD Mark 2 is over

IAF needs 300 new mid 4TH Generation fighters LIKE YESTERDAY

We cannot WAIT FOR DRDO/HAL to manufacture LCA only at Snail pace of 6 then 8 pehaps 12 planes a Year

WE NEED FIGHTERS QUICKLY

USA has ear marked INDIA as its PIVOT for entire Indo Pacific AND offering the MOST advanced F16 ever

AND in DOUBLE QUICK TIME

With some Technology Trf

AND VERY VITALLY the INDUSTRIAL SET UP to mass mabufacture/ assemble fighters in the fture

ALL FOR ESTIMATED cost of $15-$16 BILLION

that is not a great DEAL OF MONEY

WIN WIN for India

More fighters
USA cutting edge technology
Manufacturing know how
End OF MIGs in IAF

BRILLIANT MOVE by Modi[/QUOTE]
 
. .
Boo Ya!!!!!

This is like therapy, its only taken you a few decades to get to the point where you can admit this


Your not getting THIS BUDDY

IAF planes are well documented

LCA mk1/1a upto 2027/2028

Then SKIP Mark 2

HAL/DRODO......... In conjunction with either Dassult or Lockheed Martin ONTO AMCA

Indian indengious programme will not end WITH TEJAS especially now all the infrastructure is in place


Your not getting THIS BUDDY

IAF planes are well documented

LCA mk1/1a upto 2027/2028

Then SKIP Mark 2

HAL/DRODO......... In conjunction with either Dassult or Lockheed Martin ONTO AMCA

Indian indengious programme will not end WITH TEJAS especially now all the infrastructure is in place


 
.
The story told was that the government was being duped by the IAF, and that parts of the IAF plan to continue to buy foreign, with the huge kickbacks that such a policy produces, are favoured by Modi because they may involve a convenient way to curry favour with the Americans.

The thing about imports is they work. And the stuff being imported has no equivalent in India anyway. So there is no real clash of interests here.

Public reports indicate that the IAF is strongly against further association with the PAK-FA programme, that is supposed to feed into the FGFA. So part of this narrative in the post may be true.

It's true. The recent criticism was done by an Air Vice Marshal, so there is truth in the report. But what's also true is the IAF has been talking about the Stage 1 program all along, not Stage 2. This program doesn't really interfere with the other planned imports in terms of requirements, but the problem is that of funding. If the govt goes ahead with FGFA, Rafale will not get further funding, at least for now, and the IAF doesn't like that. So the IAF is cleverly using the Stage 1 bogey to criticize the program.

It's perfectly understandable because the Rafale is available today while FGFA will be a reality only in 2028. I just hope the govt plans both programs properly.

Not the point. The Mark 2s will not be developed. The possibility of a naval version is in doubt. If so, there is far more difficulty in bridging the gap to the AMCA.

All variants will be developed, all the programs under LCA mk2 have already been sanctioned, all the materials necessary for the projects have been ordered and manpower has been allocated to all these projects. Karnad is high on weed half the time, he's very sensationalist. So take his fear-mongering with a fistful of salt.

LCA will happen. Ghatak will happen. So will AMCA. Let's not forget that Ghatak will be the real springboard towards AMCA. LCA has done most of what it's meant to do for the AMCA program, like the FBW, undercarriage, radar and other sensors, even the indigenous supersonic-capable engine is nearing completion.

The point is Mark 2 will be developed, but it most likely won't be inducted because they are expecting success with the Mark 1A program. Mk1A will give the IAF all the jets they need.

The story told was that the government was being duped by the IAF, and that parts of the IAF plan to continue to buy foreign, with the huge kickbacks that such a policy produces, are favoured by Modi because they may involve a convenient way to curry favour with the Americans.

Public reports indicate that the IAF is strongly against further association with the PAK-FA programme, that is supposed to feed into the FGFA. So part of this narrative in the post may be true.



Not the point. The Mark 2s will not be developed. The possibility of a naval version is in doubt. If so, there is far more difficulty in bridging the gap to the AMCA.

N-LCA Mk2 long lead items have already been procured. IAF Mk2 has already entered production as of last year and I think they are starting or have already started the production of the N-LCA Mk2. So both prototypes are set to fly between 2019 and 2021.

But the Mk1A will be superior to the IAF's Mk2 because the aircraft will see a weight reduction of as much as 1T. So the TWR and other parameters will improve drastically compared to the Mk1. If we stick the Kaveri engine on it, it will completely murder the Mk2 program. But what this means is the IAF won't buy Mk2, but the program itself will see full R&D. It may become part of HAL's export thrust in the future.
 
.
Your not getting THIS BUDDY

IAF planes are well documented

LCA mk1/1a upto 2027/2028

Then SKIP Mark 2

HAL/DRODO......... In conjunction with either Dassult or Lockheed Martin ONTO AMCA

Indian indengious programme will not end WITH TEJAS especially now all the infrastructure is in place





You have been here a long time look up your old posts and look at your predictions its the same B.S from you guys year after year
 
.
You have been here a long time look up your old posts and look at your predictions its the same B.S from you guys year after year

You believe what you like.

It's not going to change the status quo and huge gap in financial muscle and options, thst make Indian plans achievable and yours completely unlikely

Your paying the price for economic weakness
 
.
The thing about imports is they work. And the stuff being imported has no equivalent in India anyway. So there is no real clash of interests here.



It's true. The recent criticism was done by an Air Vice Marshal, so there is truth in the report. But what's also true is the IAF has been talking about the Stage 1 program all along, not Stage 2. This program doesn't really interfere with the other planned imports in terms of requirements, but the problem is that of funding. If the govt goes ahead with FGFA, Rafale will not get further funding, at least for now, and the IAF doesn't like that. So the IAF is cleverly using the Stage 1 bogey to criticize the program.

It's perfectly understandable because the Rafale is available today while FGFA will be a reality only in 2028. I just hope the govt plans both programs properly.



All variants will be developed, all the programs under LCA mk2 have already been sanctioned, all the materials necessary for the projects have been ordered and manpower has been allocated to all these projects. Karnad is high on weed half the time, he's very sensationalist. So take his fear-mongering with a fistful of salt.

LCA will happen. Ghatak will happen. So will AMCA. Let's not forget that Ghatak will be the real springboard towards AMCA. LCA has done most of what it's meant to do for the AMCA program, like the FBW, undercarriage, radar and other sensors, even the indigenous supersonic-capable engine is nearing completion.

The point is Mark 2 will be developed, but it most likely won't be inducted because they are expecting success with the Mark 1A program. Mk1A will give the IAF all the jets they need.



N-LCA Mk2 long lead items have already been procured. IAF Mk2 has already entered production as of last year and I think they are starting or have already started the production of the N-LCA Mk2. So both prototypes are set to fly between 2019 and 2021.

But the Mk1A will be superior to the IAF's Mk2 because the aircraft will see a weight reduction of as much as 1T. So the TWR and other parameters will improve drastically compared to the Mk1. If we stick the Kaveri engine on it, it will completely murder the Mk2 program. But what this means is the IAF won't buy Mk2, but the program itself will see full R&D. It may become part of HAL's export thrust in the future.

Good points. Let me chew on these and I will get back if I have something to say.
 
.
... so why are trying to push this when I know we can do netter when it comes to a better design?


Its more than just an agenda of pushing IAF an indigenous fighter.

People don't realise that this is how every fighter jet in the history of the world has been made.

Indian military is so addicted to phoren maal and kick backs that they won't even give indigenous content a chance.

A competent fighter jet is not made perfect on day 1 of induction especially for India which has no base or experience of making fighter jets.
It takes a boat load of time and a $hit ton of debugging and improving upon to get there.

The military unequivocally buys the product and that in turn gives the manufacturers the resources for further R&D and improvement but the most important of all, it stabilizes the production line.
Americans have been doing this for over half a century now.

That is literally the history of the venerable F-16, as it was improved after induction.
It had a lot of problems as well but it became what it is now because it was inducted and the US military did not give up on it just like they are not giving up on the F-35, regardless of the pessimism.
Hell PAF is doing the same with JFT, but some members here are intent on hypocritically denying this fact.

We want Tejas because it is a base for everything else to come.

If you don't start somewhere you'll get nowhere.
 
Last edited:
.

Pakistan Affairs Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom