Modi Effect: Religious school punishes students for wearing other religious symbols

[ranjeet]

In the name of holy father, son and spirit. to hell with hindus.

 

[Post Colonnial]

That is because the school has a clear policy of not allowing "religious symbols" inside the school. You can see this from the images below,

the nun's dress is not a religious symbol? the women wearing dots is not a religious symbol? I see a bunch of mangal sutras as well. ofcourse everyone in the front row is wearing a cross in a necklace - that is not a religious symbol, just the latest high street fashion!

But forget all that ....I'd like to see just one non trivial thread by/for/of India that doesn't drag Modi!

 

[ravindra1455]

I don't know what the rules are in India but a school here wouldn't be allowed to do this. It's classed as a violation of religious freedom.

Rakhi is not religious thing, but it is a culture here.

 

[mooppan]

There ! So the school is respecting the sentiments of other religeons ?

If they are hurting it purposefully,they should be punished..
religious sentiments??haha..haven't seen the same jumping, and howling for religious rights from you and your likes when SC bans religious hijab,veil in pre medical entrance examination halls just a month ago...
everyone is hypocrite,when comes to their religion..

 

[IndoCarib]

If they are hurting it purposefully,they should be punished..
religious sentiments??haha..haven't seen the same jumping, and howling for religious rights from you and your likes when SC bans religious hijab,veil in pre medical entrance examination halls just a month ago...
everyone is hypocrite,when comes to their religion..

You got it all wrong. The purpose of banning those items in entrance exams was security, not secularism ! And Supreme court did the right thing, although some Nuns in Kerala were not happy !!

 

[Nicky G]

The parents should sue the he*k out of this school and force its closure. Appalling intolerance leading to physical harm when the hands of those girls bled.

If they are hurting it purposefully,they should be punished..
religious sentiments??haha..haven't seen the same jumping, and howling for religious rights from you and your likes when SC bans religious hijab,veil in pre medical entrance examination halls just a month ago...
everyone is hypocrite,when comes to their religion..

Merely because you are one does not mean you get to project onto anyone.

Veil would make cheating a child's play - only morons (or AdarshLiberals) would support that in an examination scenario.

 

[Parashu]

saving poor souls since 25-31-last BC

 

[Makaramarma]

This is a Christian minority institution owned by Christians,so naturally majority of teachers are from Christian community just like anyother Hindu,Muslim owned institutions in India where majority staffs are from resp religious community..
if you don't like to hear or can't tolerate Christian songs in a Christian schools,lot of other Hindu owned institutions are there in India..feel free to shift your children there,where you can hear your Sanskrit shlokas for all day long...
Though i am not supporting this,should respect the sentiments of every other religion..

LOL.... the LAND for this school is STOLEN from Hindus. The Land was first occupied by the British Kanpur Cantonment, a part of which was later "gifted" to the missionary St. Patrick’s Church who in turn built this school for converting local population.

So ANY claim of Christians on this land stems from their claim that THEY are the inheritors of christian British occupation and theft.

In which case, people who are outspoken spokesperson of such daylight robber and shameless bigotry, they must first apologize for occupying the land for 100 years and then pay compensation for that occupation.

THEN when that apology is accepted, they must apologize for this present act of shameless bigotry and seek forgiveness from the Hindu community.

THEN if they want, they can PURCHASE the land back and school back form the govt.. If they fail to do that the school should be taken over by the govt. and should be run by the Parent Teacher Association. (PTA)

EVEN THEN they CANNOT practice Religious bigotry by giving preference to Christian teachers and staff. IF they have done so, they should THEN APOLOGISE for THIS act of Bigotry and the concerned person should be SENT TO JAIL.


Let those offering cheap worthless advice, first do these acts. THEN they can preach as to how Hindu children need to learn sholkas and study in sanskrit schools.

KAPISH ?

 

[dray]

It is reported that the school authorities forced these girls to wash off the mehndi, which led to bleeding from their hands.

File an FIR and take action against whoever is responsible for this.

 

[mooppan]

LOL.... the LAND for this school is STOLEN from Hindus. The Land was first occupied by the British Kanpur Cantonment, a part of which was later "gifted" to the missionary St. Patrick’s Church who in turn built this school for converting local population.

So ANY claim of Christians on this land stems from their claim that THEY are the inheritors of christian British occupation and theft.

In which case, people who are outspoken spokesperson of such daylight robber and shameless bigotry, they must first apologize for occupying the land for 100 years and then pay compensation for that occupation.

THEN when that apology is accepted, they must apologize for this present act of shameless bigotry and seek forgiveness from the Hindu community.

THEN if they want, they can PURCHASE the land back and school back form the govt.. If they fail to do that the school should be taken over by the govt. and should be run by the Parent Teacher Association. (PTA)

EVEN THEN they CANNOT practice Religious bigotry by giving preference to Christian teachers and staff. IF they have done so, they should THEN APOLOGISE for THIS act of Bigotry and the concerned person should be SENT TO JAIL.


Let those offering cheap worthless advice, first do these acts. THEN they can preach as to how Hindu children need to learn sholkas and study in sanskrit schools.

KAPISH ?

Let me remind you one thing..We do have lot of golden opportunities and instances in this forum to score brownie points,by posting dalit killing or dalit raping articles or hate speeches of your babas,Gujarat or Delhi genocides and post it as Hindu terror like that to bash Hinduism and Hindus...adding there are hundreds of related threads posted by Pakistanis and Bangladeshis too..But we will never ever do that unlike you shameless creature..Its not good specially in a Pakistani forum like this..What would be your reactions if we troll together with Pakistanis against Indian Hindus?? .just think..
OP is a Christian hater and his intention is pretty clear..I have never seen any Indian Christian or Muslim doing these cheap tricks to score points and using it as a tool to bash Hinduism in PDF..

 

[mooppan]

LOL.... the LAND for this school is STOLEN from Hindus. The Land was first occupied by the British Kanpur Cantonment, a part of which was later "gifted" to the missionary St. Patrick’s Church who in turn built this school for converting local population.

So ANY claim of Christians on this land stems from their claim that THEY are the inheritors of christian British occupation and theft.

In which case, people who are outspoken spokesperson of such daylight robber and shameless bigotry, they must first apologize for occupying the land for 100 years and then pay compensation for that occupation.

THEN when that apology is accepted, they must apologize for this present act of shameless bigotry and seek forgiveness from the Hindu community.

THEN if they want, they can PURCHASE the land back and school back form the govt.. If they fail to do that the school should be taken over by the govt. and should be run by the Parent Teacher Association. (PTA)

EVEN THEN they CANNOT practice Religious bigotry by giving preference to Christian teachers and staff. IF they have done so, they should THEN APOLOGISE for THIS act of Bigotry and the concerned person should be SENT TO JAIL.


Let those offering cheap worthless advice, first do these acts. THEN they can preach as to how Hindu children need to learn sholkas and study in sanskrit schools.

KAPISH ?

So the land was gifted by the then government to provide education to the poor locals(most likely for poor dalit children,who were barred from entering High caste owned schools at that time)??..Whats wrong in it??..providing government lands for constructing educational and health institutions is not an uncommon scenario even in this present time..
Hindu land??You mean all government lands in India owned by Hindus??..
If that is the case. You should also APOLOGIZE for Gujarat and Sikh genocide,then we will consider our apology..
Are you mentally ok??..A Hindu organization will give more preference to Hindus while selecting its staffs in schools,colleges..Same for every other religious or caste organizations.

 

[Makaramarma]

Let me remind you one thing..We do have lot of golden opportunities and instances in this forum to score brownie points,by posting dalit killing or dalit raping articles or hate speeches of your babas,Gujarat or Delhi genocides and post it as Hindu terror like that to bash Hinduism and Hindus...adding there are hundreds of related threads posted by Pakistanis and Bangladeshis too..But we will never ever do that unlike you shameless creature..Its not good specially in a Pakistani forum like this..What would be your reactions if we troll together with Pakistanis against Indian Hindus?? .just think..
OP is a Christian hater and his intention is pretty clear..I have never seen any Indian Christian or Muslim doing these cheap tricks to score points and using it as a tool to bash Hinduism in PDF..

Your advice is REJECTED.

OP is free to hate christians if he wants, that is his prerogative and its a free country. Maybe he just Loves the TRUTH.

Maybe its you who hate the Hindus. Either way it is a red herring. Your personal hate is a irrelevant point.

If you are so concerned about Pakistani site, why do you visit ? Stop visiting it and let the site die.

So the land was gifted by the then government to provide education to the poor locals(most likely for poor dalit children,who were barred from entering High caste owned schools at that time)??..Whats wrong in it??..providing government lands for constructing educational and health institutions is not an uncommon scenario even in this present time..
Hindu land??You mean all government lands in India owned by Hindus??..
If that is the case. You should also APOLOGIZE for Gujarat and Sikh genocide,then we will consider our apology..
Are you mentally ok??..A Hindu organization will give more preference to Hindus while selecting its staffs in schools,colleges..Same for every other religious or caste organizations.

LOL.... What is the basis or your assumption that the school was for "dalit" children ? before 1857 most of the sepoys were Brahmins, Rajputs and Upper caste men

Where is the evidence that there were "High cast owned schools" ? and they did not allow dalit children ? Your desperate attempt to divide Hindu society by playing the "caste" card and practising british policy of "divide and rule" is duly noted.

You BET India is Hindu land, Holy land at that. Just because Hindu's do not practice Bigotry, it does not mean we abrogate our right to India.

Jagish Tylor was a christian ..... so its you who have to apologize for the Sikh riots.

Provide evidence that Hindu schools practices the institutionalized Bigotry evident in ALL Christian Educational Institutions and ALL Christian Healthcare Institutions.


Finally if you cannot offer the required Apology, do not bother to reply. I refuse to acknowledge your right to reply based on your defence of Institutionalized bigotry in Christian Institutions..

 

[Post Colonnial]

LOL.... the LAND for this school is STOLEN from Hindus. The Land was first occupied by the British Kanpur Cantonment, a part of which was later "gifted" to the missionary St. Patrick’s Church who in turn built this school for converting local population.

So ANY claim of Christians on this land stems from their claim that THEY are the inheritors of christian British occupation and theft.

In which case, people who are outspoken spokesperson of such daylight robber and shameless bigotry, they must first apologize for occupying the land for 100 years and then pay compensation for that occupation.

THEN when that apology is accepted, they must apologize for this present act of shameless bigotry and seek forgiveness from the Hindu community.

THEN if they want, they can PURCHASE the land back and school back form the govt.. If they fail to do that the school should be taken over by the govt. and should be run by the Parent Teacher Association. (PTA)

EVEN THEN they CANNOT practice Religious bigotry by giving preference to Christian teachers and staff. IF they have done so, they should THEN APOLOGISE for THIS act of Bigotry and the concerned person should be SENT TO JAIL.


Let those offering cheap worthless advice, first do these acts. THEN they can preach as to how Hindu children need to learn sholkas and study in sanskrit schools.

KAPISH ?

what is this nonsense? since when did lands used by schools considered stolen? Throughout India some of the best schools are run by Christian missionaries such as Society of Jesus et al that provide fantastic education combined with much needed discipline. AND NO it is NOT the norm that such schools force/push/encourage anything religious on the students. Most of them celebrate ALL major festivals.

I come from a family where almost 50% of the extended family sent their kids to primary, secondary and collegiate schools run by Christian organizations, including me. None of us ever experienced anything beyond excellent education, kind but stern treatment and imparting of values that are universal. I also went to a non-Christain school for 3 years and it was the same there too. NO difference. In the Christian schools they had an elective class for Catholicism - during that period (which was 3x1hr per week I think) the non-Christian boys attended a class called Moral Science in which we read things like Panchathanthra, Story of the Nabi (aka Prophet Mhd), and some other similar stuff. Things that I am still thankful for. Things that I realize today is what taught us how not to hate.

This particular school has made a small mistake. The local community has pitched in and will correct it as needed.

What the hell is wrong with you people, jumping on the smallest error and making a murder case out of everything? Who the hell are you to tell them they stole the land? whose land, yours? I am practicing brahmin - are you? How many Veda Patasalas have land granted by kings ...will you have them all brought back into the public domain and make then Patasala buy them back? How many mosques were donated by kings ...will they all have to buy them back?

Haven't Hinduism and India suffered enough for using techniques such as untouchability? Look around you in any city in India - Are the Hindus Muslims Christians and Sikhs living in squaler amongst slums over drainpits look ANY cleaner than the untouchable? Doesn't that tell you untouchabiliy has now become about poverty and elimination of poverty today means outward and inward, complete, heartfelt elimination of and apology for untouchability? NOTHING LESS WILL MAKE INDIA.

or have you decided somehow that India belongs to Hindus and everyone else must pay to live there? Then you would have made India into Pakistan and we might all merge the two call ourselves Pakistan.

STOP THE HATRED. Or you will destroy India, Hinduism and everything they promise.

Your advice is REJECTED.

OP is free to hate christians if he wants, that is his prerogative and its a free country. Maybe he just Loves the TRUTH.

Maybe its you who hate the Hindus. Either way it is a red herring. Your personal hate is a irrelevant point.

If you are so concerned about Pakistani site, why do you visit ? Stop visiting it and let the site die.



LOL.... What is the basis or your assumption that the school was for "dalit" children ? before 1857 most of the sepoys were Brahmins, Rajputs and Upper caste men

Where is the evidence that there were "High cast owned schools" ? and they did not allow dalit children ? Your desperate attempt to divide Hindu society by playing the "caste" card and practising british policy of "divide and rule" is duly noted.

You BET India is Hindu land, Holy land at that. Just because Hindu's do not practice Bigotry, it does not mean we abrogate our right to India.

Jagish Tylor was a christian ..... so its you who have to apologize for the Sikh riots.

Provide evidence that Hindu schools practices the institutionalized Bigotry evident in ALL Christian Educational Institutions and ALL Christian Healthcare Institutions.


Finally if you cannot offer the required Apology, do not bother to reply. I refuse to acknowledge your right to reply based on your defence of Institutionalized bigotry in Christian Institutions..

I AM THE EVIDENCE that ALL Christian schools do not practice bigotry. In my family (we are a practicing Brahmin family) 50% kids went to Christian schools; I went to a brahmin run elementary school (1 to 8), christian run high school (9 to 11) and Christian run college for BCom, then Parsi influenced business school in Mubai then several grad schools in the US.

Some Chjristian schools may just like some Hindu schools may cross the line - when that happens help them correct it instead trying to nuke them all

India may have been Hindu land BUT it is not a religions' land now.

We Hindus do have a right to not be suppressed but so do practitioners of other religions. I hated what the dravidian parties of the south tried to do and later how the chelas of Sonia Gandhi and company tried to hoodwink. But all of them were fooling people of all religions - they do not represent the christians or muslims, they used christains and muslims as vote banks.

I also do not like religions proselyting. That seems to be the great fear of so called (fellow) Hindus. But you need not be afraid of that. The best way for you to 'save' Hinduism is by yourself learning about Hinduism, learning Sanskrit, learning the sutras and understanding the broadness of vedanthas, developing your own vedantha for yourself.....that is how you approach the Vedas, the Brhman. That is how you know not to hate. That's how bhakthi and vidhwath become non-contradictory!

There is no such thing as Holy Land. India is Karmabhumi. Karma is from the root Kr which is the same root that Sri Krshna chose (because the theme for that avtaar was karma yoga, hence Krshna the Yogheshwar). Karma in the sense of action (hence the famous advise from Sri Krshna about doing your duty and not laying claims to results).

Come on dude - even in jest how can you insult your fellow being the way you have?

 

[Makaramarma]

what is this nonsense? since when did lands used by schools considered stolen? Throughout India some of the best schools are run by Christian missionaries such as Society of Jesus et al that provide fantastic education combined with much needed discipline. AND NO it is NOT the norm that such schools force/push/encourage anything religious on the students. Most of them celebrate ALL major festivals.

This "nonsense" started ever since Hindu Temple land was taken over by the British and land "gifted" to Churches and christian schools.

Some of those "best schools" need to be take over by the govt. at the earliest and be given to Non religious bodies to run so that this sickening propaganda can End once and for all.

The NORM in most Christian missionary schools is to hire Jacob, George, Pareiras and Lobo's. If they celebrate all religion, they are not doing anybody any Favour. Stop making it sound as if they are.

I come from a family where almost 50% of the extended family sent their kids to primary, secondary and collegiate schools run by Christian organizations, including me. None of us ever experienced anything beyond excellent education, kind but stern treatment and imparting of values that are universal. I also went to a non-Christain school for 3 years and it was the same there too. NO difference. In the Christian schools they had an elective class for Catholicism - during that period (which was 3x1hr per week I think) the non-Christian boys attended a class called Moral Science in which we read things like Panchathanthra, Story of the Nabi (aka Prophet Mhd), and some other similar stuff. Things that I am still thankful for. Things that I realize today is what taught us how not to hate.

Nope, what you have learnt is to feel "Gratitude" to Christians for educating you. What you have learnt is to have contempt for the truth.

What business does the Church have running schools and Hospital ? Do you think this is deepest darkest Africa where the Natives needs to be "civilized and educated" ? By that same logic, Madarasas are a wonderful thing to happen to India.

The Church like Green Peace is an MNC disguised as an NGO with its HQ outside India. Its agenda is their own, and need not be in alignment with the States agenda or even the Social or Civilizational agenda of India.

If you do not hate them for subverting the education and Healthcare sector in India then they have been successful. You are an perfect example of their product.

This particular school has made a small mistake. The local community has pitched in and will correct it as needed.

LOL..... "small mistake" ? .......... you think the hate they practices is a "mistake" ? the same way calling someone a "nigger" is a mistake ? .... congratulations, you demonstrate admirable quality of being an apologist for the church.

What the hell is wrong with you people, jumping on the smallest error and making a murder case out of everything? Who the hell are you to tell them they stole the land? whose land, yours? I am practicing brahmin - are you? How many Veda Patasalas have land granted by kings ...will you have them all brought back into the public domain and make then Patasala buy them back? How many mosques were donated by kings ...will they all have to buy them back?

"You People" ? ........ who are "you people" ? the Hindus ? the "sanghi" ? the evil Hindutva ?

I don't need to be anybody special to call a spade a spade. All the Veda patasalas land granted by kings have been taking over by the GoI........ same with Temples ...... what remains outside the scope of Govt. control is the church and the Mosque.

Since you are so eager to credit your "Christian school" for your "intellect", You can credit your Ignorance to them too.

Haven't Hinduism and India suffered enough for using techniques such as untouchability? Look around you in any city in India - Are the Hindus Muslims Christians and Sikhs living in squaler amongst slums over drainpits look ANY cleaner than the untouchable? Doesn't that tell you untouchabiliy has now become about poverty and elimination of poverty today means outward and inward, complete, heartfelt elimination of and apology for untouchability? NOTHING LESS WILL MAKE INDIA.

I though political untouchability was the flavour of the day in "secular" India ........ but nice bolly style emotional dram. Sadly No Substance.

or have you decided somehow that India belongs to Hindus and everyone else must pay to live there? Then you would have made India into Pakistan and we might all merge the two call ourselves Pakistan.

STOP THE HATRED. Or you will destroy India, Hinduism and everything they promise.

India DOES belong to the Dharmics i.e. Hindus. ........ you are free to call it Pakistan. That is your problem.

LOL at your pathetic Strawman appeal. Are you from FTII pune by any chance ? I have heard they produce a lot of political drama nowadays

I AM THE EVIDENCE that ALL Christian schools do not practice bigotry. In my family (we are a practicing Brahmin family) 50% kids went to Christian schools; I went to a brahmin run elementary school (1 to 8), christian run high school (9 to 11) and Christian run college for BCom, then Parsi influenced business school in Mubai then several grad schools in the US.

Some Chjristian schools may just like some Hindu schools may cross the line - when that happens help them correct it instead trying to nuke them all

Your personal sob story is as much irrelevant as rest of your straw-men.

India may have been Hindu land BUT it is not a religions' land now.

It very much is and will continue to be one.

We Hindus do have a right to not be suppressed but so do practitioners of other religions. I hated what the dravidian parties of the south tried to do and later how the chelas of Sonia Gandhi and company tried to hoodwink. But all of them were fooling people of all religions - they do not represent the christians or muslims, they used christains and muslims as vote banks.

Quite frankly I don't give a $hit to what your personal opinions are. They are your problems. Deal with it.

I also do not like religions proselyting. That seems to be the great fear of so called (fellow) Hindus. But you need not be afraid of that. The best way for you to 'save' Hinduism is by yourself learning about Hinduism, learning Sanskrit, learning the sutras and understanding the broadness of vedanthas, developing your own vedantha for yourself.....that is how you approach the Vedas, the Brhman. That is how you know not to hate. That's how bhakthi and vidhwath become non-contradictory!

Again I don't give a fcuk about your personal opinions. I would be lying if I pretend they interested me. They don't.

Also spare me your childish and rudimentary take on the Vedanthas. There is a LOT of different between Bhakthi and Vidwath because Vidhwath means enlightened with knowledge of Vidhaata, or the one who caused creation ie. dhaata. Bhakthi OTOH means blind devotion without the enlightenment. Its is non contradictory because ALL path lead to god. Even the path that Ravana took.

But I am certain that you are a brahmin due to your pathetic attempt to claim it twice as if it is suppose to mean something ........ entertaining because you thought you could throw some jargons to te noobs to dazzle them with your might

There is no such thing as Holy Land. India is Karmabhumi. Karma is from the root Kr which is the same root that Sri Krshna chose (because the theme for that avtaar was karma yoga, hence Krshna the Yogheshwar). Karma in the sense of action (hence the famous advise from Sri Krshna about doing your duty and not laying claims to results).

Wrong, Karma do not need Bhumi, karma is labour, whole of existence is Karmabhumi but India is Punya Bhoomi.

Let me quote Vivekanand,

"If there is any land on this earth that can lay claim to be the blessed Punya Bhumi, to be the land to which all souls on this earth must come to account for Karma, the land to which every soul that is wending its way Godward must come to attain its last home, the land where humanity has attained its highest towards gentleness, towards generosity, towards purity, towards calmness, above all, the land of introspection and of spirituality – it is India. Hence have started the founders of religions from the most ancient times, deluging the earth again and again with the pure and perennial waters of spiritual truth. Hence have proceeded the tidal waves of philosophy that have covered the earth, East or West, North or South, and hence again must start the wave which is going to spiritualise the material civilization of the world. Here is the life-giving water which must be quenched the burning fire of materialism which is burning the core of the hearts of millions in other lands."

Come on dude - even in jest how can you insult your fellow being the way you have?

I have not even started insulting "my fellow", when I do, you will be the first to know.

 

[Post Colonnial]

This "nonsense" started ever since Hindu Temple land was taken over by the British and land "gifted" to Churches and christian schools.

Some of those "best schools" need to be take over by the govt. at the earliest and be given to Non religious bodies to run so that this sickening propaganda can End once and for all.

The NORM in most Christian missionary schools is to hire Jacob, George, Pareiras and Lobo's. If they celebrate all religion, they are not doing anybody any Favour. Stop making it sound as if they are.

you're just making up stuff. Brits ruled the country just the kings ruled before them. If Rajendra Chola or Samudra Gupta can donate land to a patasala, so can the Brit rulers.

If the Christian schools are discriminating by religion, sure prosecute then, like you would any other organization that discriminates. This part of your rant is somewhat correct I think since in my high schools 80 to 90% of teachers were Christian.

But no take over by government - most schools run by governments have become employment agencies for unqualified teachers.

Nope, what you have learnt is to feel "Gratitude" to Christians for educating you. What you have learnt is to have contempt for the truth.

What business does the Church have running schools and Hospital ? Do you think this is deepest darkest Africa where the Natives needs to be "civilized and educated" ? By that same logic, Madarasas are a wonderful thing to happen to India.

The Church like Green Peace is an MNC disguised as an NGO with its HQ outside India. Its agenda is their own, and need not be in alignment with the States agenda or even the Social or Civilizational agenda of India.

If you do not hate them for subverting the education and Healthcare sector in India then they have been successful. You are an perfect example of their product.

May be some of it is gratitude but I am old enough, traveled enough and experienced enough to distinguish that from facts. The Churches themselves were originally started and funded from abroad for the spread of Christianity - and therefore the schools and hospitals these Churches and Jesuits started indeed were originally quite often involved in community conversions. But that is not the truth now. Hindu communities in most parts of the country have proven internally strong enough not let happen what has happened in SOuth America or Africa ie outright adoption of Christianity.

Why do say I should hate them? The education they provided was better than anywhere else. We didn't convert, we kept and in fact expanded on our religion - so what's the problem?

I think you are hating them for trying to spread their religion, without looking inwards to see what prompted Hindus (those did convert) to convert? WHat happened the 'untouchables' to convert.

LOL..... "small mistake" ? .......... you think the hate they practices is a "mistake" ? the same way calling someone a "nigger" is a mistake ? .... congratulations, you demonstrate admirable quality of being an apologist for the church.

Please, don't be dramatic. Some one school saying don't wear rakshabhandan is what I am referring to as small mistake and you know it. Be honest to yourself.

"You People" ? ........ who are "you people" ? the Hindus ? the "sanghi" ? the evil Hindutva ?

'You People' is people who hate other religions withoput distinguishing between the good things and the bad things such religions bring; such hatred is doubly despicable when you think about how such hatred can inflame a country such as India that has 20% minorities, not 0.5%

I don't need to be anybody special to call a spade a spade. All the Veda patasalas land granted by kings have been taking over by the GoI........ same with Temples ...... what remains outside the scope of Govt. control is the church and the Mosque.

Not true, I visited one just 10 days ago. BTW I am completely against the government taking over any patasala land as well. Because that puts the fate of vedic scholarship at the hands of dirty politicians. Not everyone is a Modi - a majority of politicians unfortuinately are dirty. Look at what's happening to temple trusts and trustees appointed by the govt! They award templae land cultivation to their friends and steal the harvest; they completely disrespect matt assets across the country. They replace temple jewels with fake....These are even more dangerous than any conversion attempts Christians can try. And NONE of what I said in this paragraph is anything I have not seen first hand...first hand.

Since you are so eager to credit your "Christian school" for your "intellect", You can credit your Ignorance to them too.

intellect and ignorance are our own my friend. I credited them for parts of my education. In the town I had my 9th to 11th standards there were 6 high schools - two were run by jesuits, 1 largely known as run by a hindu board and the other 3 were govt/municipality run. The 2 christian schools beat the others in all aspects most of the time, the hindu run will occasionally challenge but the 3 govt schools never had anything positive. Sports, academics, other co-curricular.

I though political untouchability was the flavour of the day in "secular" India ........ but nice bolly style emotional dram. Sadly No Substance.


India DOES belong to the Dharmics i.e. Hindus. ........ you are free to call it Pakistan. That is your problem.

LOL at your pathetic Strawman appeal. Are you from FTII pune by any chance ? I have heard they produce a lot of political drama nowadays

Your personal sob story is as much irrelevant as rest of your straw-men.

It very much is and will continue to be one.
Quite frankly I don't give a $hit to what your personal opinions are. They are your problems. Deal with it.

Again I don't give a fcuk about your personal opinions. I would be lying if I pretend they interested me. They don't.

Also spare me your childish and rudimentary take on the Vedanthas. There is a LOT of different between Bhakthi and Vidwath because Vidhwath means enlightened with knowledge of Vidhaata, or the one who caused creation ie. dhaata. Bhakthi OTOH means blind devotion without the enlightenment. Its is non contradictory because ALL path lead to god. Even the path that Ravana took.

But I am certain that you are a brahmin due to your pathetic attempt to claim it twice as if it is suppose to mean something ........ entertaining because you thought you could throw some jargons to te noobs to dazzle them with your might

Wrong, Karma do not need Bhumi, karma is labour, whole of existence is Karmabhumi but India is Punya Bhoomi.
Let me quote Vivekanand,

"If there is any land on this earth that can lay claim to be the blessed Punya Bhumi, to be the land to which all souls on this earth must come to account for Karma, the land to which every soul that is wending its way Godward must come to attain its last home, the land where humanity has attained its highest towards gentleness, towards generosity, towards purity, towards calmness, above all, the land of introspection and of spirituality – it is India. Hence have started the founders of religions from the most ancient times, deluging the earth again and again with the pure and perennial waters of spiritual truth. Hence have proceeded the tidal waves of philosophy that have covered the earth, East or West, North or South, and hence again must start the wave which is going to spiritualise the material civilization of the world. Here is the life-giving water which must be quenched the burning fire of materialism which is burning the core of the hearts of millions in other lands."

Your hatred is talking, so it is futile for me to argue until you control that hatred. But look at what you quoted from Swami Vivekananda yourself. a) He knew to start with an IF unlike you who are very certain of everything. b) He also clearly says it is Punyabhoomi to come to account for ones Karma. The 2nd statement is akin to 'I am rich because I have money',not substantially different from 'Ihave money so I am rich'.

Tidal waves of philosophies have indeed proceeded from India - not 'philosophy'.

I have not even started insulting "my fellow", when I do, you will be the first to know.

Whatever has happened to you, hope you get better.