MODI cleared Ishrat Murder

[Omtatsat]

Agnosticindian is probably a malayalee christian. maybe a syrian ....a lot of them on this forum.

Guynextdoor2 is indeed a pakistani false flagger.

Hmm..should know POTA

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Agnosticindian is probably a malayalee christian. maybe a syrian ....a lot of them on this forum.

Guynextdoor2 is indeed a pakistani false flagger.

But it is interesting to see the pakistani false flagger drifting towards those who claim to be 'secular' and making nest with them.

I'm sure you and that omt guy can have a duet on this revelation

 

[Marxist]

Im sure...when asked for anti terrorism laws...which India will quote provisions of POTA today?



do not feed the false flag Pakistani trolls....

That shows his knowledge on this subject ,Agnostic is a Keralite ,and i know Guynextdoor from 2010 ,we fight each other quite often in an Indian forum .....

 

[Omtatsat]

That shows his ignorance on this subject ,Agnostic is a Keralite ,and i know Guynextdoor from 2010 ,we fight each other quite often in an Indian forum .....

If he is ignorant, why does he have to inflict his unenlightened verbosity on us. He should know that after demise of POTA/TADA, there are no effective anti-terrorist laws left.

As for Guynextdoor, Im sure he is a false flagger. His opposition to Modi and things Hindu is not ideological...its visceral.

 

[Joe Shearer]

still No proof to prove "personal criminality" so its a political issue ....And supporting or rejecting is my personal issue you have no authority to question it or term every one of us as rouges

Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. You might like to ponder on that.:-D

You have not yet been termed a rouge (sic). Only those who support his turning personal criminality into politics are rogues. You don't consider his actions to be personally criminal. So you can't support turning criminality into politics, as the criminal element doesn't eNter into the picture. So I haven't yet called you a rogue.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I think the real game is to scare and polarize the Muslim voters towards Congress. The Muslim vote is split between many parties and in the larger states like UP and Bengal it goes to the regional outfits. The Congress would like to scare the Muslims so much that they vote for it - and Muslim vote can be decisive in some places. However, their disgusting excesses are also likely to polarize a large number of Hindus and BJP should gain from it.

The trouble with the fascist mind-set is that it is temperamentally unable to think in terms of the rule of law. Absent that, it searches for other explanations and alternatives, and comes out with these weird concoctions.

Unfortunately for these ivory tower pundits, as Khaled Anis Ansari and Afroze Alam have already shown, the Muslim vote is a myth. Each individual Muslim voter votes as she or he does for a variety of reasons. There are economic reasons, good governance reasons, yes, political reasons, local issues, ecological issues, the whole nine yards. It is difficult for muscle-headed Hindu bigots to think of Muslim women and men actually behaving like individual, idiosyncratic human beings. To these thugs, Muslims are a commodity, a class of object not quite human, therefore not capable of human reactions. The same applies to Muslim bigots who find no reason to think of the kaffir in terms other than a sweeping common category doomed to hellfire and fit only to serve the Ummah.

It is fortunate for the vast mass of us that this kind of calculation is increasingly proving itself hollow, save in times of extreme stress, when there is a lumping together of the voting of frightened, insecure people under constant threat of punishment.

And that is what the constitution, and the rule of law is designed to prevent. Which again is precisely why the communal rabble rouser hates both of these.

True. But you know this time BJP will get more muslim votes than ever. In 1999 due to Atal jee BJP got about 4-5% of total muslim votes while this time poll shows that they will get 15-17% of muslim votes from all over India especially in Guajart,MP, Bihar and some parts of UP.

And welcome to vote bank politics.

This is where it is, not just within the corrupt kleptocracy of the Congress, but also within the corrupt lumpenproletariat of the BJP.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes minority polarization will lead to a major consolidation of Hindu votes and at the end it will help BJP ,There is a saying in malayalam Urvashi Shapam Upakaram ( in Mahabharath there is a part,a curse from Urvashi to Arjuna become a timely help for him. )

In the middle of all this storm and thunder, we must take time to admire the deft choice of nick by some of these distinguished members of the forum. Looking at this one, we are reassured: a sense of irony and sardonic humour are not absent even from a brutalised fascist mind.

That Im not too sure and neither should it matter much. For their votes, muslims have been extracting a bigger pound of flesh then is their due. A typical muslim in the Hindi heartland is so polarized and clannish that he will never vote for the BJP. BJP should plan its strategy entirely on Hindu votes .

An amazing, sustained display of the communal thinking in the minds of precisely those who rush to the barricades about their counterparts in the Congress and the vote-bank politics there.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

That shows his knowledge on this subject ,Agnostic is a Keralite ,and i know Guynextdoor from 2010 ,we fight each other quite often in an Indian forum .....

ANd what fights we've had !! Has it been three years bro?

 

[doppelganger]

Can someone explain something to me please, without throwing labels of bigot, hindutvawadi, RSS-goon, parivarist, etc. my way.

What are the facts?

Did the powers that be know that Ishrat and team were jihadis before they killed them or did proof of that come after the act?

If they knew they were terrorists and killed them with extreme prejudice out of hand without a trial may I ask what exactly was wrong in that?

If we did not need Kasb to nail Pakistan, would anyone shed a single tear if he had been encountered on the way back from the Marine Drive shootout where Ombale lost his life catching the bastard?

Did anyone shed a tear when Mumbai was cleaned top down of the underworld by the encounter specialists?

So what is the problem here?

That it was Modi and those killed were Muslims?

Someone please help me out here.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Indeed tolerance is a crime when applied to evil. ALL Indians are then guilty of that particular crime. The Older they are ....the more guild and criminality they have accumulated over the years.

...so we are down to calling out the pot and the kettle.

Oh the BEACON what will LEAD US OUT into the light is YOU

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Can someone explain something to me please, without throwing labels of bigot, hindutvawadi, RSS-goon, parivarist, etc. my way.

What are the facts?

Did the powers that be know that Ishrat and team were jihadis before they killed them or did proof of that come after the act?

If they knew they were terrorists and killed them with extreme prejudice out of hand without a trial may I ask what exactly was wrong in that?

If we did not need Kasb to nail Pakistan, would anyone shed a single tear if he had been encountered on the way back from the Marine Drive shootout where Ombale lost his life catching the bastard?

Did anyone shed a tear when Mumbai was cleaned top down of the underworld by the encounter specialists?

So what is the problem here?

That it was Modi and those killed were Muslims?

Someone please help me out here.

Even the mumbai cleaning is wrong. But having said that the cops didn't do that in 4 days. Most of the guys they took out are people they'd known for years and decades and the certainty of their crimes were established.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Wether Mr Modi involved or not, Congress & CBI have succeeded in Tarnishing his image...............They will never Charge MODI...........Who ever understand Politics will say that it will backfire Congress...............If they does ,then that will be the Dumpest move by Congress.................

Of course, the facts don't matter.

That a Magistrate's court asked for a special investigation, which revealed that the encounter was false; that the matter went to the Gujarat High Court, which tasked the CBI to investigate, knowing that its own state police force was necessarily complicit; that the centre has had nothing to do with either of these: none of that matters. Only what woolly conjecture is forced on these confused minds by a complete absence of understanding that the law is not a political handmaiden is apparent.

But how there is no proof to validate your allegation ,A police officer gave a confession to an agency it is not an evidence

Look at the charge sheet and only at the charge sheet.

There are no charges against Rajinder KUMAR. Discussions about his guilt or innocence are highly premature.

There are no charges against Modi. Discussions about his guilt or innocence are highly premature.

 

[doppelganger]

Even the mumbai cleaning is wrong. But having said that the cops didn't do that in 4 days. Most of the guys they took out are people they'd known for years and decades and the certainty of their crimes were established.

Can you help me with my question?

Was it known that Ishrat and gang were jihadis when they were killed?

What do the facts as we know them today say?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Guess those killed was terrorists

When home ministry declared Ishrat Jahan and three others terrorists

Four years before the CBI filed a chargesheet declaring as fake the 2004 "encounter" in which Ishrat Jahan and three others were killed, the home ministry had filed an affidavit in the Gujarat High Court describing the four's alleged links with the Lashkar-e-Toiba. A look at what the affidavit, filed in August 2009 by R V S Mani, then undersecretary for internal security in the ministry, had to say about each of the four:

Javed Sheikh

According to Mani, Javed was in regular touch with LeT operatives for carrying out terror acts in Gujarat. He was born a Hindu who later changed his name from Pranesh Pillai. Mani said Javed was of a "criminal bent of mind" and concluded he was a rowdy. The conclusion was based on four criminal cases against Javed lodged in Thane district between 1992 and 1998, a period when he stayed in Mumbra and met Ishrat. Mani's affidavit claims that despite having converted to Islam, he procured a passport under his previous Hindu name in 2003 and went to Dubai. "It is suspected that while working in Dubai, he was subverted to the cause of LeT," the affidavit says.

Ishrat Jahan

"Javed and Ishrat were activists of terrorist organisation LeT," the affidavit says. "Neither Pillai (Javed's father) nor Kauser (Ishrat's mother) have chosen to disclose correct facts relating to occupation, activities and movements of Javed and Ishrat on account of the fact that both Javed and Ishrat were involved in such activities, disclosure of which would result in reflection of the bona fide of the police action against these four persons ..." It adds, "Ishrat was actively associated with LeT, and the apology by an LeT mouthpiece [this was issued to her family] is tactical, to discredit Indian security agencies and police and aimed at misleading the court". Another LeT mouthpiece had hailed Ishrat as "female martyr of LeT."

When home ministry declared Ishrat Jahan and three others terrorists - Indian Express

Modi did a great job ... Italian waitress can cry how much she want...

Again, to an ignorant mind, the antecedents of a murdered person may seem important. They are not. Whatever the background, whatever the intentions, only a constituted court of law can judge guilt or innocence, and in case of guilt, decide a sentence, including the death sentence if permitted by statute, and order the sentence to be executed.

There are no exceptions to this.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Can you help me with my question?

Was it known that Ishrat and gang were jihadis when they were killed?

What do the facts as we know them today say?

It is unclear whether it was known they were Jihadis, even if they were, why weren't they taken into custody?