Modi and the Two-Nation Theory

[Contrarian]

You can call whatever you like and I have no time to waste going in circles with you.

What you fail to understand is that just because you keep repeating Modi propaganda won't change the documented facts on Modi's campaign.

Once again, all the above statements are DOCUMENTED as part of Modi's campaign.

What part of 'open another thread' did you find hard to understand? Or you presume that just because you write something on this thread I will accept your spin on Indian elections?

 

[Developereo]

What part of 'open another thread' did you find hard to understand? Or you presume that just because you write something on this thread I will accept your spin on Indian elections?

Is this thread not about Modi and Hindu/Muslim relations in India?

Once again, these three FACTS are undisputed.

He DID make communalism (us v/s them) one of the central aspects of his campaign.
He DID make an issue of illegal (Bangladeshis) in the eastern states.
He WAS chief executive of Gujarat when the massacres occurred.

You may try to whitewash them or interpret them to suit yourself, but the factual accuracy of these three statements is not up for interpretation.

 

[Contrarian]

And what part of I have given you opportunity to refute these FACTS before and you have failed did you have trouble understanding?

Once again, these three FACTS are undisputed.

He DID make communalism (us v/s them) one of the central aspects of his campaign.
He DID make an issue of illegal (Bangladeshis) in the eastern states.
He WAS chief executive of Gujarat when the massacres occurred.

You may try to whitewash them or interpret them to suit yourself, but the factual accuracy of these three statements is not up for interpretation.

I did refute them and provided references from UN on the immigration issue as well.
This thread is not about that however. And I have repeatedly asked you to open another thread on this if you want to take this further. Hard to comprehend ?

 

[illusion8]

All you have done is continue to live in denial. Nothing you have said refutes those statements.

Every single statement above is factually correct.

A central aspect of Modi's campaign was his pledge to "safeguard" Hindu rights from what he called communalism which, again, is code for Muslim concerns. This is factually correct, regardless of how you try to whitewash it.

His campaign strategy in the eastern states, again playing on racism and xenophobia, to purge them of illegals -- which, again, is code for Muslims -- is also on record.

As chief executive of Gujarat, he must take responsibility for the butchery of Muslims which occurred under his watch. Even if we let him off on technicalities of law, the moral and ethical responsibility remains intact. When such gross violations of law happen in a company, the chief executive takes responsibility and resigns. Modi was shameless enough to brush it off, and India's Hindu majority forgave him.

Modi won for his economic mandate and the reason why he and BJP were voted in overwhelming masses from different strata and religions. The congress rule was the worst that completely disenchanted people - especially women - who voted for Modi in a big way this time round. it would be ridiculous to assume women care about religion in politics above their family's well being, education, corruption and inflation.

One can argue the same way that most Pakistani leaders from Jinnah to Zia to the rest are Muslim fanatics because they pushed the cause of Muslims in Pakistan above any other sect or religion and the fruits of it visible in the conditions and the dangers that Pakistan's minorities face.

 

[Developereo]

I did refute them and provided references from UN on the immigration issue as well.
This thread is not about that however. And I have repeatedly asked you to open another thread on this if you want to take this further. Hard to comprehend ?

This thread is about Modi and Hindu/Muslim relations in India. Why should I open another thread?

All you have done is to try and justify Modi's actions, not refute the fact that he used those tactics in his campaign.. You attempts at justification failed.

 

[Contrarian]

This thread is about Modi and Hindu/Muslim relations in India. Why should I open another thread?

All you have done is to try and justify Modi's actions, not refute the fact that he used those tactics in his campaign.. You attempts at justification failed.

No. This thread is about what happens in India(Modi's election) and Pakistan ie Pakistani's need to still point to India and justify TNT.

Bangladesh does not point to what is happening in Pakistan to justify its presence.
India does not point to what is happening in Britain to justify its presence.

Pakistani's on the other hand still need to look at India.

 

[Developereo]

Modi won for his economic mandate

I never denied that economics was a part of his campaign. That does NOT negate the fact that these other tactics were also an important part of his campaign.

The bottom line is that being an unapologetic butcher of Muslims was not an immediate disqualification for choosing a leader.

Pakistani's on the other hand still need to look at India.

Only self-proclaimed pseudo-intellectuals who think that talking about Pakistan's so-called identity crisis will get them an intellectual badge of honor.

I don't know of a single Pakistani who gives a crap about TNT.

 

[illusion8]

I never denied that economics was a part of his campaign. That does NOT negate the fact that these other tactics were also an important part of his campaign.

The bottom line is that being an unapologetic butcher of Muslims was not an immediate disqualification for choosing a leader.

The bottom line is that BJP won because of the congress show in the last term and people - especially women are fed up with spiraling costs and bad governance. Pakistani leaders are pro Muslims to a degree of being unapologetic and non questionable - I don't see why its any different when Modi is Pro Hinduism which incidentally happens to be the majority in India.

 

[Developereo]

I don't see why its any different when Modi is Pro Hinduism which incidentally happens to be the majority in India.

Modi has every right to be pro-Hinduism. He can even shout it from the rooftops.

All I am asking is for people to acknowledge the reality of it and the fact that attention to Hindu concerns was part of his campaign.

 

[third eye]

Is this thread not about Modi and Hindu/Muslim relations in India?

Once again, these three FACTS are undisputed.

He DID make communalism (us v/s them) one of the central aspects of his campaign.
He DID make an issue of illegal (Bangladeshis) in the eastern states.
He WAS chief executive of Gujarat when the massacres occurred.

You may try to whitewash them or interpret them to suit yourself, but the factual accuracy of these three statements is not up for interpretation.

He echoed the sentiment & thoughts of Indians.

Indian elections have always been contested along communal and caste lines. Villages vote en masse for candidates based on these lines. Thats why Political parties create ' vote banks' among communities.

This time, it appears to have backfired.

 

[Developereo]

He echoed the sentiment & thoughts of Indians.

Indian elections have always been contested along communal and caste lines. Villages vote en masse for candidates based on these lines. Thats why Political parties create ' vote banks' among communities.

This time, it appears to have backfired.

Or, maybe, this time Modi used the same tactic on majority Hindus, and won (+ his economic agenda).

 

[asad71]

"Communal fever" spreading with BJP in power, Sharad Pawar's veiled attack
Sunday, 8 June 2014 - 8:39pm IST | Agency: PTI

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NCP chief Sharad Pawar today said "communal fever" is spreading after BJP came to power in a veiled attack on the ruling party over the alleged involvement of a radical Hindu outfit in the murder of a techie in Pune. "Fifteen days have passed since BJP has come to power with absolute majority and a communal fever is spreading.

Communal violence had rocked some places in the State and a young professional was killed," Pawar said here. He was addressing a NCP meeting to celebrate the 15th anniversary of its formation.
"This has not happened before. Certain ideologies which were lying low all these years are now raising their heads and some sections of the society are living in fear," Pawar said.

"Images of noted figures are morphed to create divisiveness in the society. Modern technology is used to spread hatred," the former Agriculture Minister said. Objectionable posts of warrior king Chhatrapati Shivaji and Shiv Sena founder Bal Thackeray posted on Facebook by unknown people had triggered violence in Pune in which a young software professional Mohsin Shaikh was bludgeoned to death allegedly by activists of a little known Hindu radical outfit.

Police have arrested 17 persons with suspected links to Hindu Rashtra Sena(HRS) in this connection. Pawar asked the party workers to stand by the deprived sections of the society.
He said the recent elections was an eye-opener for NCP. Referring to certain high-ranking government officials joining the BJP ahead of polls and becoming MPs, Pawar said that, "Certain elements of police force subscribe to a specific ideology which is harmful for administration.

"The (former) Army chief, Mumbai Police Commissioner and Union Home Secretary joined BJP on the eve of elections and became MPs. It is our mistake that we trusted these people to work in our administration," he said. He was referring to former Army Chief Gen V K Singh, former Union Home Secretary R K Singh nd ex-Mumbai Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh.
Pawar said appointments to sensitive posts have to be made carefully.

Pawar, meanwhile, rejected demands being raised in some sections of his party that he be made the chief ministerial candidate in the upcoming Assembly elections in Maharashtra and said the NCP will go to polls with a collective leadership.

"Don't try to create something out of nothing. NCP will go to the Assembly elections with a collective leadership. Elected MLAs will decide their leader," he said. "...I am doing well for myself in spending time out of power. There are a lot of things to do...read and travel and see for myself if government schemes reached the people," Pawar said.

"Communal fever" spreading with BJP in power, Sharad Pawar's veiled attack | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis

Two Nation Theory According to Quran

 

[third eye]

Or, maybe, this time Modi used the same tactic on majority Hindus, and won (+ his economic agenda).

While you are welcome to your suppositions.

The truth is the nation is aware that it has the potential, the talent, the skills, the money,the resources to do better.

10 years of UPA rule frustrated the nation with its scams, missed chances, appeasement, avoidance of decisions & coalition politics.

The common man has no intention of competing with another nation or defeat China or Pakistan - he does not care. All he wants is a better life. He can work hard but expects remunerations accordingly. This was not happening.

The fact that Muslims too have voted for Modi brings out their frustrations with the UPA - style of governance. Everybody wants to be in the main stream.

MMS came with an impeccable CV, he couldnt perform. Here is a man with an excellent track record . The nation selected him.

It is not a carte blance for indefinite rule, if Modi does not perform, he too shall perish.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Is this thread not about Modi and Hindu/Muslim relations in India?

Once again, these three FACTS are undisputed.

He DID make communalism (us v/s them) one of the central aspects of his campaign.
He DID make an issue of illegal (Bangladeshis) in the eastern states.
He WAS chief executive of Gujarat when the massacres occurred.

You may try to whitewash them or interpret them to suit yourself, but the factual accuracy of these three statements is not up for interpretation.

1. Yes, he did make it an "us versus them" issue in the elections. For clarification purposes the "us" was the BJP's record of relatively clean governance and the economic success of Gujarat versus the "them" representing Congress with its bad governance record including corruption and its inability to be decisive when it came to state spending on important issues such as infrastructure development, reducing red tape to attract business and hence create jobs and procuring arms to upgrade the military. If you place any other perspective on the "us" , you are simply insulting the mental capability of millions of Indian Muslim voters who voted the BJP into office.
2. Indeed he did make an issue of illegal Bangladeshis in the eastern states. It remains of huge concern to India. Why shouldn't he ? It isn't like India has a huge influx of illegal Hindu Nepalis for him to have raised that issue. The Bangladeshi question must be resolved. It creates tension on the border.
   
3. He was CM of Gujarat when the massacre occurred there. Nobody has proven any guilt or responsible omission on his side. If anybody does or can, you can be rest assured that he will face impeachment and a trial as soon as they can or will.

Put simply, if you were an Indian Muslim citizen and if you were given the choice of candidates for the 2014 election, you most probably would have clicked your cross next to the BJP box on the ballot. As a Congress supporter, I often ask myself .."what other choice did the Indian voter have ? "

 

[Developereo]

Yes, he did make it an "us versus them" issue in the elections. For clarification purposes the "us" was the BJP's record of relatively clean governance and the economic success of Gujarat versus the "them" representing Congress with its bad governance record including corruption and its inability to be decisive when it came to state spending on important issues such as infrastructure development, reducing red tape to attract business and hence create jobs and procuring arms to upgrade the military. If you place any other perspective on the "us" , you are simply insulting the mental capability of millions of Indian Muslim voters who voted the BJP into office

Every election is about painting a contrast with the opposition; that's a given.

It does not change the fact that Modi made an issue of "us v/s them" -- us Hindus' rights v/s them Muslims getting special privileges.

Indeed he did make an issue of illegal Bangladeshis in the eastern states. It remains of huge concern to India. Why shouldn't he ? It isn't like India has a huge influx of illegal Hindu Nepalis for him to have raised that issue. The Bangladeshi question must be resolved. It creates tension on the border

Except that Modi specifically made it about religion: he made a distinction between illegal Bangladeshi Muslims, whom he would deport, and illegal Bangladeshi Hindus, whom he would accept.

He was CM of Gujarat when the massacre occurred there. Nobody has proven any guilt or responsible omission on his side. If anybody does or can, you can be rest assured that he will face impeachment and a trial as soon as they can or will.

As I explained before, when gross violations occur in a company, the CEO takes responsibility, regardless of legal technicalities. Modi didn't and was quite unapologetic about it.

what other choice did the Indian voter have ?

Other candidates with good economic credentials? I remember Indians debating the economic performance of different Indian states.