Moderinization and increasing PN Fleet size ...

[Signalian]

Thread is not about the marines , its a different topic ...

Yes, Pakistan Marines are familiar with statements like these since eternity.

 

[Zarvan]

Over the last few years importance of a strong navy has increased due to circumstances such as increase of territorial water area, New economic sea ports set up , creation of a economic zone in the Arabian sea . So to defend these economic interests of Pakistan the Navy's budget was further increased and multiple projects have begun and completed to increase Pakistan's naval power.



Modernization :

Over the span of last 5 years Pakistan navy has underwent extensive modernization increasing it's current existing fleets operational capabilities ,further strengthening the Naval air arm and developing state of the art weapon systems such as the Babur cruise missile. All this modernization is done while keeping in mind the new assets arrival.



A few examples of projects are



* Installing better EW/SAR systems on naval helicopters along with arming them with state of the art anti ship missiles

* Installing newer EW/SAR systems on Naval fixed wing aircraft such as the P-3C Orions and installing such equipment along with torpedo's on previously only transport aircraft such as the ATRs

* Upgrading the Submarines , in the last five years Pakistan Submarine fleet also underwent upgrades , such as replacing fairly old 1990s tech with newer systems and again this year the Khalid Class are under going further upgrades in Turkey.

* Over all , all of Pakistan's Navy surface vessels underwent upgrades such as Al-Tariq class Frigates, or Jalalat class Facs underwent installment of new defence systems while getting armed with newer more advanced cruse missiles.

* Improvement of training courses , the navy from around 2010 increased the standards of personnel it recruited with more selective approach during testing. After that the over all training quality of the chosen personnel was improved by adding in new courses and simulated sources using state of the art training facilities. The ground fighting forces ( Marines , Naval security force and naval military police were also modernized by upgrades in equipment. Their operational effectiveness is further are reinforced by the experience gained by combating heavily armed militants.

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Increasing Pakistan Navy fleet size



Using the new increase budget and connections with close allies the Pakistan navy after a long time is having a large scale inductions of new ships to increase the total Naval fleet size. Following are the new Ships, Subs and Aircraft that have been confirmed by naval sources till now



2 x Swift class corvettes ( USA )

4 x ADA class corvettes ( Turkey )

4 x Type 054A Frigate's ( China )

8 x S20 class Submarines ( China )

6 x Type 22 FAC ( China )

6 Azmat class FAC ( Pakistan )

1 × FAC(M) Fast attack craft ( Pakistan )

1 x CSTC 1500 Ton coastal patrol ship

2 × Damen OPV 1800

2 × Damen Stan Patrol boats

°Other utility Ships and boats like smaller coastal patrol ships dredgers , barges etc are also undergo production for the navy °



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JF-17 block 3



°Additionally the JF-17 Block 3 is also being developed which will enter service with both the Navy air arm and Air force replacing the Mirage fighter jets °

Pakistan doesn't need AC at this moment. What Pakistan really need is Frigates which has the fire power similar to French FREMM class. That is 16 VLS for Air Defence and 16 VLS for Long Range Cruise Missiles and 8 Anti Ship Missiles and Torpedoes and few other systems. We need Frigates with this kind of fire power or even more firepower and we need at least 16 to 20 of these Ships. Along with 12 to 16 Submarines which also should have VLS in them for Cruise Missiles like the upcoming Russian AMUR 950.

 

[xbat]

Pakistani Milgems will have VLS, dont know the number of cells but we can say they will have air defense missiles.

 

[Imran Khan]

Pakistani Milgems will have VLS, dont know the number of cells but we can say they will have air defense missiles.

but it will not be ESSM

 

[xbat]

but it will not be ESSM

probably

 

[Super Falcon]

I still think navy is so weak we need atleast 40 active ships along with few destroyers and state of the art 18 submarines and seprate air defence land and sea ship and 2 LPD carriers for marines and seprate air arm with thunder twin seater

We should not go for aircraft carier instead increase sea fllet size

If we look egypt has same budget issues but some how theyget hitech ships AZ nd jets and they are buying more than the threatthey have either ksa or UAE help them we should ask them for similar help

 

[xbat]

Egypt has 2 LPD both ship vulnerable to any attack from sea and air, they dont have air defense missile on ship, they put some stinger launchers on deck. Their freem is downgraded, it doesnt have EW suit, VLS launchers are empty.
They got money from Gulf countries even SISI sold an island to Saudi for money.

i dont think that Pakistan would like that navy

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Prefer we pick up few , Italian retiring Units instead of Patrol Boats
The units are available and equipped better then our F22P


4 Ships Pakistan Navy make your move

1 OHP Frigate
4 Type 21 frigates
4 F22P Frigates
4 Maestrale-class frigate (ideal for regional defence)

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* Future 4 Arrival Type 054 In Few Years time (2021 time frame)
* Future 4 Arrival Milgem Corvettes in Few Years time (2020 - 2025 time frame)

Mounted on the foredeck is an Oto Melara 127 mm/54 gun

The ships also carry the Albatross missile system, with an octuple cell capable of firing Sea Sparrow or Aspidemissiles

The ships carry a supply of 24 missiles, and the system is reloaded by a Riva-Calzoni Automatic Handling System, which is capable of loading up to four missiles at once, making virtually all the missiles in the magazine ready to be launched.


After the turret there are two CIWS DARDO, with two 40 mm/L70 Bofors guns. They have very rapid mechanical systems, and depots with over 700 shells, and can fire around 600 rounds per minute


Also on deck are four Otomat anti-ship missiles, capable of striking a target 180 km (110 mi) or more away, with a 210 kg (460 lb) warhead. They are fitted over the hangar, where there are two AB-212 helicopters ASW multi-role machines

These ships have also have several electronic systems: one radar air and surface search RAN10S (160 km (99 mi)) is placed over the smaller tree, a radar of navigation and surface search SPN703 is fitted on the main tree, where a navigation radar is present as well, and finally, three radars: one RTN-10X for gun and Aspide control, and two smaller RTN-20X for the DARDO systems, all fitted in the forward superstructure, separated from the aft by the funnel and the heat dissipaters. As to submarine search, there is a VDS DE 1164 sonar, and DE1160B hull mounted. EW component is focused on Elettronica Spa MM/SLQ-746 ( [2] ) and two SCLAR rocket-launchers that are capable of launching chaff, flare, and HE rockets up to 10 km (6.2 mi).

Several electronic and communication systems are fitted as well, and an Selex ES IPN20 command and control system is present to integrate all the tactical information and use the weapons on boar

RADAR processing systems:

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  • - 1 × Selenia RAN-10S/SPS-774 surface and air surveillance radar
  • - 1 × Selenia SMA SPS-702 surface search radar
  • - 1 × Selenia SMA SPS-703 navigation radar (then replaced by one GEM Elettronica MM-SPN 753 Arpa)
  • - 1 × Selenia SPG-75 fire control radar
  • - 2 × Selenia SPG-74 fire control radar (for Dardo)
  • - 1 × Raytheon DE 1146, VDS sonar
  • - 1 × Raytheon DE 1160B, hull mounted sonar

EW

• (Elettronica Spa MM/SLQ-746[2]) 2 × SLQ-D jammers
• - 1 × ARBG-1A Saigon radio interceptor
• - 1 × SLR-4 Newton intercept
• - 2 × 20-round OTO Melara/Breda SCLAR decoy RL (Dagaie on Grecal)
• - 1 × AN/SLQ-25 Nixie towed acoustic torpedo system
• - Prairie/Masker air-bubbler noise-suppression system

I think the Equipment on ship is quite relevant for our regional defence
For us getting a OPV vs Italian Ships I think the Italian ship is miles better option

122 Meter Length of Ship

Review:

4 x Type 054A Frigate's ( China ) [Delivery Time Some what ok 2019-2022]
8 x S20 class Submarines ( China ) [Delivery Time not Ideal into 2025]
4 x ADA class corvettes ( Turkey ) [Delivery Time not Ideal into 2025]
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2 x Swift class corvettes ( USA ) -------------[Cancelled]
6 x Type 22 FAC ( China ) ---------------------[Order Never placed]
6 Azmat class FAC ( Pakistan )-----------------[Program Stuck at 3 Ships]
1 × FAC(M) Fast attack craft ( Pakistan )-----[No Update]

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Patrol Ships Minimally Armed
1 x CSTC 1500 Ton coastal patrol ship [No Update Coast Guard or Navy?]
2 × Damen OPV 1800 [No Update Coast Guard or Navy?]
2 × Damen Stan Patrol boats

 

[baqai]

Instead of Carrier we need to focus more on ships and subs

 

[maverick1977]

12 thousand marines and no mention of amphibian assault carriers ? 1000 troops per wasp with attack heli support can create havoc on by opening amphibian fronts

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We need about 8 Second hand frigates
We need about 10 Missile boats second hand
We need about 10 Midget Submarines Second hand will do

The speed of Local Manufacturing is much slower then Chinese counter parts

 

[Signalian]

artificial islands to land aircraft and replenish surface elements.

 

[maverick1977]

Good thread but I don't think PN will acquire BLK IIIs,rather there will be dedicated PAF squadrons to provide PN cover during engagements.

Pakistan badly needs 40 thousand ton Wasp class amphibious assault transporters, which can carry a unit worth of Pakistan marines and on deck sq of attack helis.. since Pakistan will have 12 thousand dedicated marines. 4 of these class of transporters a brigade worth of marine deployed around enemy territory will relieve pressure on its eastern borders... once the bridge ahead is established encirclement is enemy Troops can be done..

Best defense is offensive

This strategy will protect t Pakistan from going nuclear and can be a surprise or India through conventional win

 

[TOTUU]

We need about 8 Second hand frigates
We need about 10 Missile boats second hand
We need about 10 Midget Submarines Second hand will do

The speed of Local Manufacturing is much slower then Chinese counter parts

I agree with you ,and I think Pakistan should also increase the number of domestic warships built.
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[Behram Khilji]

What Pakistan needs is a 3 tier navy, it needs to build from bottom up.

We can start with coastal and economic zone defence as a first tier, in this tier the expense is low compared to patrolling with larger ships.

8 x Azmat class
8 x Corvettes of 1000 plus tonnage, multi role but fine tuned for anti submarine warfare.

Air cover is not a huge issue as this tier is mainly for coastal defence so will have some form of air cover from the Cost.

Second tier should be 2000 to 3500 Tonnage ships,

8 x Milgems
8 x Tiger class or something half decent

Third tier should be 4000 tonnage upwards

8 x Type 54
8 x something heavier

I know we are broke, no budget no this no that, but even if we can start with first tier we would achieve a lot & good step forward.

Some of the tier 2 & 3 ships are on order plus there are 4 f 22p currently in service.