Moderate Muslims — it’s time to be outraged

[mehboobkz]

First there is no.such thing as moderate or extreme or other type off Islam this term itself has fueled more anger and hatred and is offensive
and west can do one thing.stay.out off our matters and stop atacking our areas and religious figures

So why Come on Hinduisim by using the term "Hindutva" ??

Hamara kuta kuta, tumhara kuta Tommy?

 

[Hiptullha]

"I couldn't find any Muslim trying to fight torrorism. I saw a news report with Pakistani kids talking about torrroisrm. They liked it. Conclusion? Moozlims love tourostists."

Wow.

 

[Contrarian]

"I couldn't find any Muslim trying to fight torrorism. I saw a news report with Pakistani kids talking about torrroisrm. They liked it. Conclusion? Moozlims love tourostists."

Wow.

The OP was quite balanced in its approach and rationale.

 

[illusion8]

On the other hand through the years I have seen many ethnic groups, faiths and nations remain completely silent when one of their "own" commits a wrong act, yet go ape shit when some outsider commits a terrible act on one of their own people.

Wrong assumption.

For e.g. The reaction by Hindus to the atrocities on Hindus in Pakistan, or the reaction of Shias to the atrocities by Sunii's in Pakistan and Iraq, or the reaction of Christians to the atrocities on Christians by Sunii's in Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan or Iraq is no where comparable and pales in comparison to the reaction of Muslims to the killing of Muslims in Burma, Gaza or elsewhere.

 

[Hiptullha]

A couple of weeks ago listeners heard a depressing report from Bradford. Sima Kotecha, the BBC correspondent, was interviewing young Pakistani-British boys about Iraq. Would they go and fight for Isis or other groups? “I would go. They’re brothers,” said one. “You’re going to live as a Muslim, die as a Muslim, innit?” said another.
There is at work here what can only be called a victim mentality — paradoxical given the power and size of Islam — which casts Muslims as being eternally oppressed and eternal victims.

May I ask where victim mentality came into play here?

 

[Echo_419]

So why Come on Hinduisim by using the term "Hindutva" ??

Hamara kuta kuta, tumhara kuta Tommy?

 

[waz]

Wrong assumption.

For e.g. The reaction by Hindus to the atrocities on Hindus in Pakistan, or the reaction of Shias to the atrocities by Sunii's in Pakistan and Iraq, or the reaction of Christians to the atrocities on Christians by Sunii's in Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan or Iraq is no where comparable and pales in comparison to the reaction of Muslims to the killing of Muslims in Burma, Gaza or elsewhere.

Not really and that is your opinion. I am just speaking from what I have seen.

 

[illusion8]

Not really and that is your opinion. I am just speaking from what I have seen.

I am speaking from what everyone has seen, @waz, show me one example of a Christian brit or a Hindu Indian who joins a crusade to free Iraqi or Pakistani or Nigerian Christian while I can show a few hundreds of Muslim brits who join jihad in Iraq, Syria or Pakistan.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Huh? Okay to go after "non-brethren" ? The worst part is when you make that distinction. Definition of "brethren" obviously is not shared in the same manner by everyone. As long as you are making such distinctions, others are making their own distinctions of what constitute brethren.

I would even go as far as saying that both their moderates and extremists, work in tandem -- one clearing the path for another, depending on how much resistance they are facing in their expansion!

If the extremists take up the gauntlet of terminating the non-believers -- just as you see right now against the Yezidis, you will find that their moderate counterparts are almost totally silent (barring rare and perhaps sole exception like Tarek Fatah). The moderates bide their time till the dust settles, only to clean up the crime scene and to give it the finishing touch of a "peaceful" expansion of their beliefs.

If the extremists face uphill battles, the moderates appear with Sufi like beliefs only for the former to come back with vengeance at a later date. Finally, both of them are driven by the same ambition of world domination through religion.

This has went on and on throughout history. In fact, what we are witnessing in ME and AF-Pak is history repeating itself, in front of our own eyes!

 

[Falcon29]

It's true that when it comes to inter-Muslim atrocities the bulk of the people remain either indifferent, ignorant, support them or just plain don't know. The profile of such conflicts can only be raised with more people making an issue out of it.

On the other hand through the years I have seen many ethnic groups, faiths and nations remain completely silent when one of their "own" commits a wrong act, yet go ape shit when some outsider commits a terrible act on one of their own people.

Agreed, of course the OP can never post a non-Zionist article. It is written by a Jewish Zionist just for the sake of covering up Israel's crimes.

The funny thing is the media is heavily covering the region, these kind of articles and the people who post them are for internal hatred reasons.

 

[waz]

I am speaking from what everyone has seen, @waz, show me one example of a Christian brit or a Hindu Indian who joins a crusade to free Iraqi or Pakistani or Nigerian Christian while I can show a few hundreds of Muslim brits who join jihad in Iraq, Syria or Pakistan.

That's not what I was speaking about, my post was the condemnation of atrocities, which is selective depending on which "group" the person affiliates with.

Of course it is hard to find an example that you talked about above, but then many folks have fought in other countries for political reasons e.g. we have Russian men fighting alongside ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Quite a few of these wars were political to start off with i.e. the war in Syria started with secular based rebels wanting to oust Asad. The conflict then took on a religious tint.

Agreed, of course the OP can never post a non-Zionist article. It is written by a Jewish Zionist just for the sake of covering up Israel's crimes.

The funny thing is the media is heavily covering the region, these kind of articles and the people who post them are for internal hatred reasons.

Well bro you only need to look at how many Israelis have been condemning the deaths of civilians in Gaza, to turn the article on its head. Like I said before, selective condemnation works with many folks.

 

[Hyperion]

Well, you are an idiot. What sort of brain dead comment was that???????

Most muslims secretly admire jihadi, the root cause of all terrorism

Agreed.

Well, that perception is based on how we are exposed to the world is it not? Which is essentially through the electronic media AND NO OTHER WAY. So if we can critique the focus on negative perception of Israel vis-a-vis the conflict in Syria within the Islamic world, then we can also critique the role of the world media in the image of Islam.

If you are constantly going to show the KKK and Rednecks in the USA.. you will have the "Murican" Image as that. When clearly that is not the ground reality.

 

[illusion8]

That's not what I was speaking about, my post was the condemnation of atrocities, which is selective depending on which "group" the person affiliates with.

Of course it is hard to find an example that you talked about above, but then such many folks have fought in other countries for political reasons e.g. we have Russian men fighting alongside ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Quite a few of these wars were political to start off with i.e. the war in Syria started with secular based rebels wanting to oust Asad. The conflict then took on a religious tint.

It's hard to find because there are none, No other religion runs death squads or terror groups to join up, neither does any other's talk about global takeover or wipeout of other faiths, no one else takes it seriously as do Muslims

There is hardly any intensive media reporting, debates or opinions towards the killings by Muslims of Shias, Hindu's, Christians in western or non Muslim media - forget Muslim media. There's lot's wrong with what's going on and everyone's given up - it's basically fallen on Muslims to find a solution to it and the sad thing is no Muslim country is much bothered.

Russians in Ukraine has little to do with religion, as for Syria - of course its a religious divide, there might have been a short period of secularism but then it basically is a Shia Sunni conflict.

 

[ito]

Well, you are an idiot. What sort of brain dead comment was that???????



Agreed.

can you explain...why there is no movement against islamic terrorism from the so called 'moderate' muslim?

can you also explain...why there is so much hue and cry around isreal-palestine issue, while non against ISIS or sunni shia conflict?

 

[Jaanbaz]

Any Muslim who says Islam is a peaceful religion and condemn terrorists puts his/her life at risk. Nothing surprising to see some Muslim youths in UK talking about brother hood. These same people show no remorse when Pakistanis of minority sects die, in fact they would like to do same with the minorities in UK too. But thank God right now Britain still have some laws and is not a majority ''Muslim'' state.