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[JayAtl]

This is how small minded and limited in the Chinese members' thinking and again -- historically.

If we have weapon A, we must use it no matter how inapplicable the situation may be, even if the situation require only a rifle, we must use a howitzer.

well- they only have to deal with humans in front of tanks, so once can understand their modern military's noob- ness

Starting with syria, now end up with demonizing Chinese army???

you should ask your brethren about it. if you open that door then don't be complaining when it gets shut at you.

America should go in, another 10 year war should at least slow American military advancements. Perfect chance for us to catch up.

Not to mention a US in the middle east is a US not in South and East China sea. Which gives us the time to finish these pesky little problems.

But to say we support dictators and stuff is just wrong, we neither support nor care about these guys, they are simply wallets that we will empty as time pass. It hardly matters who is holding that wallet.

To say another thing, America in the middle east is bad, not bad because it sort of stops the death, but bad because some bad blood just needs to be handled before they get better. A taped up broken vase is not better than completely destroying it and getting a new one.

 

[Genesis]

This is how small minded and limited in the Chinese members' thinking and again -- historically.

If we have weapon A, we must use it no matter how inapplicable the situation may be, even if the situation require only a rifle, we must use a howitzer.

I don't know who taught you english, but that guy needs to be fired.

My post explicitly says that US cannot test their weapons because Syria is too weak. Both of my posts says exactly this.

As to simulations, I'm not sure what kind of expertise you have with simulation software, but they can be very accurate these days, provided you get the right team with the funding to make it. It isn't the real thing, but it can prepare you for a number of situations, and you won't be going up blind.

The carrier pilots are chosen from the best for one, they go through training just like any American pilots would, and then they would land on the carriers.

After making comments like these and you want to call us small minded and limited in thinking?

And that JayAtl makes the most pointless posts, it addresses non of the points I outlined, but talks about something else entirely. I on the other hand addresses each statement. If he keeps this up he can be a republican spokesperson in no time.

 

[Wholegrain]

who can defeat EVERY bum in a Toyota? has the great Chinese military defeated the terrorists( all) among them? what a silly notion of wins vs defeats. hows that tech simulation working out for you in your provinces with Uighurs?

ETIM is based in Uzbekistan and Waziristan and is allied with the IMU. It is not based in China. But the Indian Mujahideen is definitely in India.

 

[gambit]

I don't know who taught you english, but that guy needs to be fired.

Actually, it should be 'English', not 'english'. Or may be it should be 'Engrish'?

My post explicitly says that US cannot test their weapons because Syria is too weak. Both of my posts says exactly this.

First...The US, not China, established many if not most of the world's standards and techniques in testing of many things, from aircrafts to cars to microwave ovens.

Second...If the US deployed a weapon, it mean we have tested it to the extent that is is only one or two degrees away from real warfare/combat. And the rest of the world, including China, pretty much follows that.

So you are already wrong from the start when you posited that US weapons development cannot progress because Syria is unable to project any comparable defensive methods and tactics that would give our weapons the proverbial 'run for our money'.

Wrong from the start. And here is why...

Why are there no 'no fly zones' in Afghanistan?

Because the establishment of a 'no fly zone' imply that there can and will be opposition air force regardless of how capable that opposition may be, and since the Taliban, an opposition force, can field no opposition air, there is no need for US to establish any 'no fly zone'. On the other hand, there was a 'no fly zone' policy in Iraq and now there is talk of one for Syria, which means for Iraq, opposition air was very real and for Syria, it is very real.

So say that we want to test the F-22 against Syrian air defense radars. In EW, which I know you have no experience in such, a radar hit is as good as a bullet/missile hit. So why not send the F-22 there? We do not need to shoot at any Syrian fighters unless the situation demands it. If all we want is to perform a few EW scenarios that either our methods have not adequately addressed or simply could not, Syrian air defense radars will be perfect.

This is why the F-117 was used in Panama, not because Manuel Ortega could really threaten it, but because certain unadulterated environmental conditions made Panama the ideal testing platform, at that time, for what we want the F-117 to do. The fact that the -117 did not performed to match public perceptions was irrelevant to US. The data gathered, from hardware to human perceptions, were valuable enough to make the -117 a spectacular success in Desert Storm.

Farsighted people will find ways to verify things that they created will work as how they wanted the thing to work. This is why your PLA reformed to meet our expectations instead of the other way around.

After making comments like these and you want to call us small minded and limited in thinking?

Yes.

 

[JayAtl]

ETIM is based in Uzbekistan and Waziristan and is allied with the IMU. It is not based in China. But the Indian Mujahideen is definitely in India.

so the Uighurs that attack your people in china are all foreigners? the 50 cent is still strong in you grasshopper.

 

[Wholegrain]

so the Uighurs that attack your people in china are all foreigners? the 50 cent is still strong in you grasshopper.

Your illiteracy is showing greatly. I said ETIM is based in Uzbekistan and Waziristan and receives help from the IMU in those areas. what did I say about citizenship?

 

[pkuser2k12]

US begins war on Syria as early as Thursday, officials say​

The guided-missile destroyer USS Gravely (DDG 107)​

The unnamed officials told NBC News on Tuesday that the “three days” of strikes would be limited in scope, and aimed at “sending a message to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad rather than degrading his military capabilities.”

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem on Tuesday accused Kerry of lying about the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government, challenging Washington and its allies to provide evidence.

Russia and China have both warned against a US-led military intervention in Syria. Moscow says a military action would have "catastrophic consequences" for the entire region.


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PressTV - US begins war on Syria as early as Thursday, officials say

‘Architect’ of US ‘surgical strikes’ on Syria doubts his strategy will work​

F-16 Fighting Falcons​

As a highly-detailed proposal for “surgical” airstrikes on Syria garners more bipartisan support in Washington, a key “architect” of that strategy has questioned the wisdom and effectiveness of carrying it out.



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PressTV - ?Architect? of US ?surgical strikes? on Syria doubts his strategy will work

West, Arab leaders reach ‘consensus’ on Syria attack ​

The British Royal Navy's helicopter carrier HMS Illustrious is deployed to the Mediterranean, on August 25, 2013.


Western and Arab military leaders have reached a “consensus” on military intervention in Syria over accusations that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons, a Jordanian security official told German news agency, DPA.


Meanwhile, the British Prime Minister David Cameron's spokesman said UK armed forces are devising contingency plans for military action against the Arab country over the alleged use of chemical weapons.

The UK has been reportedly sending warplanes and military transporters to its airbase in Cyprus, situated near Syria.

US defense officials also say several navy destroyers have been deployed to the Eastern Mediterranean to be used against Syria upon an order of President Barack Obama.

“[The destroyers] are in position if needed, but they, to my knowledge, have received no tasking to this point, and that would come obviously from the White House,” an American military official said on condition of anonymity.


Damascus later allowed UN chemical weapons inspectors to the site of the chemical weapons attack near the Syrian capital on Monday, when they began taking samples from the victims.



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PressTV - West, Arab leaders reach ?consensus? on Syria attack

UK gathers warplanes, military hardware in Cyprus base near Syria – report​

Published time: August 27, 2013 00:27
Edited time: August 27, 2013 16:28


“Warplanes and military transporters” have reportedly been moved to Britain’s Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus in the latest sign of the allied forces’ preparations for a military strike on Syria amid bellicose rhetoric against the Syrian government.

Akrotiri airbase is less than 100 miles from Syria, making it a likely hub for a bombing campaign. Residents near the airfield confirmed to the Guardian that “activity there has been much higher than normal over the past 48 hours.”

UK Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday recalled members of parliament from their summer break for an urgent discussion. The session is due to be held on Thursday to vote on a possible military response to the alleged chemical attack in Syria.



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UK gathers warplanes, military hardware in Cyprus base near Syria ? report ? RT News

Syria FM: Foreign strike 'would not stop' fight against terrorists​

Published time: August 27, 2013 11:18
Edited time: August 27, 2013 12:29

Syrian army soldiers are seen deployed in the Jobar neighbourhood of Damascus on August 24, 2013. (AFP Photo)


Despite threats of international intervention, Damascus will continue its military efforts against the rebels, Syria’s Foreign Minister has said. Decrying plans for a foreign strike as “deluded,” he said any attempt to hinder the Syrian army would fail.

A handout picture released by the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) on June 24, 2013, shows Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem speaking during a televised press conference in the capital Damascus. (AFP Photo)

Muallem said that regardless of any strike on Syria, the army would continue its fight against the rebels.

“The [government's] military effort will not stop around Damascus. If the purpose is to limit the victories of our armed forces, they will not be successful,” said Muallem, adding that a foreign strike would only play into the hands of Al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist groups operating in Syria.

He described the use of chemical weapons as an excuse for foreign powers to intervene and warned Syria would retaliate if attacked.

"We have two options: either to surrender, or to defend ourselves with the means at our disposal. The second choice is the best: we will defend ourselves," Muallem said at the televised news conference.

UK Prime Minister David Cameron stated on Tuesday that parliament has been recalled from its summer recess to make "a clear Govt motion & vote on UK response to chemical weapons attacks."



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Syria FM: Foreign strike 'would not stop' fight against terrorists ? RT News

Russia ‘regrets’ US decision to shelve Syria talks​

Published time: August 27, 2013 09:29
Edited time: August 27, 2013 16:55


Moscow has voiced “regret” over a US decision to put off bilateral talks over Syria. Russia has sought to placate calls for military action over the alleged use of chemical weapons, saying there is no evidence of the Assad regime’s complicity.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov tweeted a response to the move Tuesday morning, expressing concern over Washington’s decision.

“It is a pity that our western partners have decided to cancel the bilateral US-Russian meeting to discuss calls for an international conference on Syria,” Gatilov wrote on Twitter. He added in a later post that discussing terms for a political solution were needed now more than ever in the face of possible military intervention in Syria.

Russia on Tuesday warned a military intervention in Syria could have "catastrophic consequences" for the whole region and called on the international community to show "prudence."

"Attempts to bypass the Security Council, once again to create artificial groundless excuses for a military intervention in the region are fraught with new suffering in Syria and catastrophic consequences for other countries of the Middle East and North Africa," foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement. "We are calling on our American partners and all members of the world community to demonstrate prudence (and) strict observance of international law, especially the fundamental principles of the UN Charter," he added.

Meanwhile, the UN weapons inspectors are due to start their second day of investigations in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta, where the toxic attack happened last Wednesday. The team’s convoy of vehicles came under fire from unknown assailants Monday as they visited the area.

In spite of the sniper attack, the team managed to collect samples for analysis and gather witness testimonies at a local hospital. Contradicting claims from the US and UK that the probe was too late to yield accurate results, the UN stressed the mission was still valid, although almost a week has passed since the supposed attack.

The alleged attack took place last Wednesday in an eastern suburb of Syria’s capital. Media published conflicting reports on the death toll, ranging from “dozens” to over 1,300 dead. French charity Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders) put the death toll at about 355.




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Russia ?regrets? US decision to shelve Syria talks ? RT News

امریکی افواج شام کیخلاف کاروائی کیلیے تیار ہیں: امریکی وزیر دفاع
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غیر ملکی ٹی وی چینل کو انٹرویو دیتے ہوئے امریکی وزیر دفاع چک ہیگل نے کہا ہے کہ امریکہ شام کیخلاف کسی بھی فوجی کاروائی کیلیے تیار ہے جونہی صدر اوبامہ افواج کو حکم دینگے شام کیخلاف کاروائی کا آغاز ہو جائے گا۔ اس سلسلے میں تمام تیاریاں پہلے ہی مکمل کر لی گئی ہیں۔ چک ہیگل کا کہنا تھا کہ شام میں معصوم عوام پر کیمیائی ہتھیاروں کا استعمال جنگی جرم ہے اور مجرم کو سزا دینا ضروری ہے۔





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[pkuser2k12]

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[USAHawk785]

Liberation time.

 

[Genesis]

Actually, it should be 'English', not 'english'. Or may be it should be 'Engrish'?


First...The US, not China, established many if not most of the world's standards and techniques in testing of many things, from aircrafts to cars to microwave ovens.

Second...If the US deployed a weapon, it mean we have tested it to the extent that is is only one or two degrees away from real warfare/combat. And the rest of the world, including China, pretty much follows that.

So you are already wrong from the start when you posited that US weapons development cannot progress because Syria is unable to project any comparable defensive methods and tactics that would give our weapons the proverbial 'run for our money'.

Wrong from the start. And here is why...

Why are there no 'no fly zones' in Afghanistan?

Because the establishment of a 'no fly zone' imply that there can and will be opposition air force regardless of how capable that opposition may be, and since the Taliban, an opposition force, can field no opposition air, there is no need for US to establish any 'no fly zone'. On the other hand, there was a 'no fly zone' policy in Iraq and now there is talk of one for Syria, which means for Iraq, opposition air was very real and for Syria, it is very real.

So say that we want to test the F-22 against Syrian air defense radars. In EW, which I know you have no experience in such, a radar hit is as good as a bullet/missile hit. So why not send the F-22 there? We do not need to shoot at any Syrian fighters unless the situation demands it. If all we want is to perform a few EW scenarios that either our methods have not adequately addressed or simply could not, Syrian air defense radars will be perfect.

This is why the F-117 was used in Panama, not because Manuel Ortega could really threaten it, but because certain unadulterated environmental conditions made Panama the ideal testing platform, at that time, for what we want the F-117 to do. The fact that the -117 did not performed to match public perceptions was irrelevant to US. The data gathered, from hardware to human perceptions, were valuable enough to make the -117 a spectacular success in Desert Storm.

Farsighted people will find ways to verify things that they created will work as how they wanted the thing to work. This is why your PLA reformed to meet our expectations instead of the other way around.


Yes.

Did you forget what you posted yourself.

First you claim US makes advances by testing weapons in war. In this case Syria, of course US would have tested it before using it.

My claim is that the US would lose resources that would otherwise by used for getting new equipments as well as developing new ones, I never claimed that US would slow because Syria is weak.

This is the problem with debating with you, you never seem to remember the previous posts, and without that, somethings are taken completely out of context, like this post I quoted.

As to your Engrish comment, the good folks at UBC who gave me my degree in info tech didn't seem to think so.

 

[BDforever]

this is how western democracy works

 

[Hyperion]

Dude, don't you feel as if you have sold that line a bit too much?

Even the lowest of lifeforms are aware of your "liberty vs tyranny" line..... don't overdo the same crap.......

Liberation time.

 

[Mozambique Drill]

Hmmm Thursday is not a good day for me. Can they start on Friday? or wait till after Shabbat?

 

[pkuser2k12]

John Kerry Statement On Syria FULL


John Kerry Statement On Syria FULL! "Should 'Shock The Conscience Of The World" - 8/26/2013 - YouTube​

Another "humanitarian mission" is going to start​

NOW SEE RONALD RUMSFELD

21st Secretary of Defense from 2001 to 2006 under President George W. Bush

CONFRONTED BY A PROTESTOR ON IRAQ WMD LIES WHILE ZOMBIES CLAPPED

SAME WILL HAPPEN TO JOHN KERRY

 

[USAHawk785]

Hmmm Thursday is not a good day for me. Can they start on Friday? or wait till after Shabbat?

You're right, they should wait till Monday. Gotta observe the Sabbath.

We'll be sending American-style Labor Day to Syria with a bang.