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[Awesome]

According to the IAEA, the initials 'WMD' involves more than just finalized and functional weapons. It includes entire programs and contains information, people, and tools used to make WMD. Everything that Iran tried to hide. Just like Iraq did from all three inspection teams.

War cannot be justified for not following procedure. Hard evidence must first be found.

Till the very end Iraq was open to negotiations to fix procedure - just as Iran has been.

However some experts, kept calling them delaying tactics.

Syria too has allowed UN teams to visit the sites. The UN team has however said they will not be assigning blame but just determining whether or not an attack has taken place.

First there must be UN determination that an attack has taken place
Second there must be a UN determination that the attack was done by Syrian Army.
Third the perpetrator of the attack must be given an option to voluntarily allow dismantling of all their WMDs.

War is the last option, however the US starts and ends with the war option.

 

[gambit]

War cannot be justified for not following procedure. Hard evidence must first be found.

Till the very end Iraq was open to negotiations to fix procedure - just as Iran has been.

However some experts, kept calling them delaying tactics.

Syria too has allowed UN teams to visit the sites. The UN team has however said they will not be assigning blame but just determining whether or not an attack has taken place.

First there must be UN determination that an attack has taken place
Second there must be a UN determination that the attack was done by Syrian Army.
Third the perpetrator of the attack must be given an option to voluntarily allow dismantling of all their WMDs.

War is the last option, however the US starts and ends with the war option.

Then it begs the question of why these people believed those were 'delaying tactics', right?

Looky here...The IAEA Iraq nuclear inspection teams were not composed solely of Americans. They were truly international in composition and they do not -- DO NOT -- report/answer to the US President. They and whatever they found are sent back to the UN/IAEA, who then disseminate the technical data after review. They are not literature majors but professional scientists and engineers with many years of experience in the nuclear field. Richard Butler reported the Iraqis attempted murders on his people and Rolf Ekeus reported he was offered a million dollars bribe by Aziz. When these things happened and spanned across years and different people, why is it unreasonable for these people to suspect everything Iraq did?

 

[JayAtl]

Leave us out of this. This is between you and Russia. The Chinese policy has always been staying out of the other people's business.



Oh please, Bush also said Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. I would hold off judgement until someone else also took a look at the situation----considering the Russians said that exact opposite thing.

Truth to be told, I wouldn't be surprised if both sides have deployed chemical weapons.

Leave you out of what? your country has blocked many efforts to stop this genocide in the making- not only here but in tens of others cases and in countries. The Russians can say whatever and Chinese can hid behind the Russian claims, but the UN is out there collecting evidence and everything points towards gas being used. You have no proof of the other side using it. They are bunch of rag tag opposition not someone who can developed advanced chemical weapons that can be ONLY be dispersed via rockets.

 

[JayAtl]

War cannot be justified for not following procedure. Hard evidence must first be found.

Till the very end Iraq was open to negotiations to fix procedure - just as Iran has been.

However some experts, kept calling them delaying tactics.

Syria too has allowed UN teams to visit the sites. The UN team has however said they will not be assigning blame but just determining whether or not an attack has taken place.

First there must be UN determination that an attack has taken place
Second there must be a UN determination that the attack was done by Syrian Army.
Third the perpetrator of the attack must be given an option to voluntarily allow dismantling of all their WMDs.

War is the last option, however the US starts and ends with the war option.

There in lies why the US public does not want to help. With folks like you( fellow OIC members) looking to make any excuses, throw ridiculous " need to" determinations- like ' if Syrian army used it' claims... then why should the US bother with helping?

how does a rag tag force on one end develop advanced chemical weapons, then the technology that can only be dispersed by rockets and that to does it over themselves - to kill 100's of children and over to 1300 of themselves. How ridiculous does that sound?

 

[Genesis]

Iraq was a one-time thing, so what 'how many times' are you talking about? As for Syria, are those dead bodies and the wailings of the Syrians not evident enough for you?


The only way to truly advance weapons development is to actually use it, either in pure unadulterated testing or in combat. That way, we will know even better how the thing actually work when situations and influential factors are not under our control. So the perfect chance for China to so call 'catch up' is for US to do nothing.

you are attacking a country that can't even beat bums on a 1970s toyota truck with guns not used by north koreans, what do you need to know, that your bombs explodes? Besides, the "war" will be over in about a week and the rest is occupation, in which case your army won't be using it's latest tech.

There is no sea battle.

With the occupation, massive resources will be needed for things other than research and acquisitions.

While we can direct all our resource to updating our military.

We don't have to "use" it on people to know it works, that's what computers are for. I may not know much about weapons or the like, but Info Tech is my bread and butter.

 

[JayAtl]

you are attacking a country that can't even beat bums on a 1970s toyota truck with guns not used by north koreans, what do you need to know, that your bombs explodes? Besides, the "war" will be over in about a week and the rest is occupation, in which case your army won't be using it's latest tech.

There is no sea battle.

With the occupation, massive resources will be needed for things other than research and acquisitions.

While we can direct all our resource to updating our military.

We don't have to "use" it on people to know it works, that's what computers are for. I may not know much about weapons or the like, but Info Tech is my bread and butter.

who can defeat EVERY bum in a Toyota? has the great Chinese military defeated the terrorists( all) among them? what a silly notion of wins vs defeats. hows that tech simulation working out for you in your provinces with Uighurs?

 

[Nan Yang]

He he he. So much for US pivot to Asia.

 

[JayAtl]

He he he. So much for US pivot to Asia.

you think we can't walk and chew gum at the same time, being a super power with global bases all around the world?

 

[Genesis]

who can defeat EVERY bum in a Toyota? has the great Chinese military defeated the terrorists( all) among them? what a silly notion of wins vs defeats. hows that tech simulation working out for you in your provinces with Uighurs?

I mean in a direct confrontation, which is what's going to happen against the GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA. The rebels took cities and what not from the government meaning they had DIRECT confrontation and won. This isn't a they are hiding and the government don't know where they are, this is a attack in your face.

Uighurs are not rebels, I hope you are not comparing us to Syria situation right now.

I'm not really sure what the problem here is.

How are you going to test F-22's effectiveness against guys that have no missiles, radars or fighters.

How are you going to test your carrier battle group against no coastal defense and no navy.

Most of what you say is weird, all I said was America can't test advanced weapons on weak nations, in contrast to what gambit said. What you said has nothing to do with this point.

 

[JayAtl]

I mean in a direct confrontation, which is what's going to happen against the GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA. The rebels took cities and what not from the government meaning they had DIRECT confrontation and won. This isn't a they are hiding and the government don't know where they are, this is a attack in your face.

Uighurs are not rebels, I hope you are not comparing us to Syria situation right now.

I'm not really sure what the problem here is.

How are you going to test F-22's effectiveness against guys that have no missiles, radars or fighters.

How are you going to test your carrier battle group against no coastal defense and no navy.

Most of what you say is weird, all I said was America can't test advanced weapons on weak nations, in contrast to what gambit said. What you said has nothing to do with this point.

the only attack plan I have seen being discussed is to shoot from outside the bubble of their SAM coverage. So to do so you would need to use BVR, F22 and cruise missiles...each of them allowing the US to maintain a distance from that " shield " or in the case of F22 , get close to it undetected

 

[Mitro]

Lets C if US want to Risk every thing on syria i doubt it unless and until they are 100% sure of Russian intention.
If US and Nato Attack Syria i thing then this war is Great War [Malhama].and its effect will be every and going to increase the suffering of Human being.

Victor Ostrovsky is Ex mossad agent who knows better then him ?



Kerry Says Chemical Arms Attack in Syria Is ‘Undeniable’[/QUOTE]

 

[ephone]

Welcome to open the pandora's box. Let's see whether syria after asad will be better or become another jihad sh!t hole again.

I bet the latter will be the case with much higher probability.

The west just dig another grave for itself, one after another: yeman, lybia, eqypt, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan ...

 

[gambit]

who can defeat EVERY bum in a Toyota? has the great Chinese military defeated the terrorists( all) among them? what a silly notion of wins vs defeats. hows that tech simulation working out for you in your provinces with Uighurs?

And they call my military experience as came from video games.

Historically, there has been no consistency with the Chinese on how they view military issues and this is no different. I guess this is how they will train their navy pilots on how to land on that new aircraft carrier -- simulation. After a few take offs and landing, each PLAN pilot will be certified to do the real thing. Too bad I will not be there for the entertainment.

 

[gambit]

the only attack plan I have seen being discussed is to shoot from outside the bubble of their SAM coverage. So to do so you would need to use BVR, F22 and cruise missiles...each of them allowing the US to maintain a distance from that " shield " or in the case of F22 , get close to it undetected

This is how small minded and limited in the Chinese members' thinking and again -- historically.

If we have weapon A, we must use it no matter how inapplicable the situation may be, even if the situation require only a rifle, we must use a howitzer.

 

[ephone]

Starting with syria, now end up with demonizing Chinese army???