Militaristic evaluation about the downed Russian jet by Turkish air force.

[Blackmoon]

The map at top was released by turkey authorities suggesting that the Fighter jet was in the Turkish territories but is that so ?

1-Even if the fighter jet was flying less then speed of sound it would take less then 30 second to pass through the area which Turkish army claim Russia jets passed.
2-If what Turks are saying is true, Russian air force doesn't know that they are in Turkish space ? what was the point of being in Turkish air space ?
3-10 times alerted the jet to leave the Turkish space in just 5 minutes ? how is that possible when it's only takes 30 second to pass ?
4- Why the wreckage of the jet fell in the Syrian land ?
5-in 5 minutes Turkish f-16 reached the Russian jet and shoot it down ? doesn't seems right
6-Terrorists were ready in the area and record it with HD cameras ? seems weird.
7-Both pilots killed by rebels ? how rebels were able to found them so quickly ? So this proves that jet was shoot down in Syria land.

Discussed not by feelings but by facts.

 

[-SINAN-]

The map at top was released by turkey authorities suggesting that the Fighter jet was in the Turkish territories but is that so ?

1-Even if the fighter jet was flying less then speed of sound it would take less then 30 second to pass through the area which Turkish army claim Russia jets passed.
2-If what Turks are saying is true, Russian air force doesn't know that they are in Turkish space ? what was the point of being in Turkish air space ?
3-10 times alerted the jet to leave the Turkish space in just 5 minutes ? how is that possible when it's only takes 30 second to pass ?
4- Why the wreckage of the jet fell in the Syrian land ?
5-in 5 minutes Turkish f-16 reached the Russian jet and shoot it down ? doesn't seems right
6-Terrorists were ready in the area and record it with HD cameras ? seems weird.
7-Both pilots killed by rebels ? how rebels were able to found them so quickly ? So this proves that jet was shoot down in Syria land.

Discussed not by feelings but by facts.

1-) True.
2-) What ?
3-) I think they alerted 10 times in 5 minutes, as it was approaching the Turkish airspace and within the Turkish airspace. Data signature shows it entered got our, circled back and again entered.
4-) Linear momentum.
5-) Syrian border is being patrolled by 8 F-16s 7/24. There were already 2 F-16s present in the vicinity.
6-) Russian jet were there to bomb them. It is not unusual that rebels shoot the bombing of the Russian/Syrian aircraft.
7-) Aircraft downed in the rebel controlled area.

 

[Blackmoon]

1-) True.
2-) What ?
3-) I think they alerted 10 times in 5 minutes, as it was approaching the Turkish airspace and within the Turkish airspace. Data signature shows it entered got our, circled back and again entered.
4-) Linear momentum.
5-) Syrian border is being patrolled by 8 F-16s 7/24. There were already 2 F-16s present in the vicinity.
6-) Russian jet were there to bomb them. It is not unusual that rebels shoot the bombing of the Russian/Syrian aircraft.
7-) Aircraft downed in the rebel controlled area.

2) If we accept what Turkish army said, what was the reason for Russians to invade the Turkish airspace ?
3)The known fact is that it went through the Turkish space (3.00 KM) which could pass by less then 30 second so it can't be true that it took 5 minutes , one side is not telling the truth.
6)well i didn't expected in the area of 4 KM to Turkish border there would be many terrorist ready with cameras being to recording.
7)still would take time to found the wreckage in addition how did the pilots didn't survived and got killed by rebels ?
Putin says Russian fighter jet was downed on Syrian territory 4 km from Turkish border - @Reuters

 

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The map at top was released by turkey authorities suggesting that the Fighter jet was in the Turkish territories but is that so ?

1-Even if the fighter jet was flying less then speed of sound it would take less then 30 second to pass through the area which Turkish army claim Russia jets passed.
2-If what Turks are saying is true, Russian air force doesn't know that they are in Turkish space ? what was the point of being in Turkish air space ?
3-10 times alerted the jet to leave the Turkish space in just 5 minutes ? how is that possible when it's only takes 30 second to pass ?
4- Why the wreckage of the jet fell in the Syrian land ?
5-in 5 minutes Turkish f-16 reached the Russian jet and shoot it down ? doesn't seems right
6-Terrorists were ready in the area and record it with HD cameras ? seems weird.
7-Both pilots killed by rebels ? how rebels were able to found them so quickly ? So this proves that jet was shoot down in Syria land.

Discussed not by feelings but by facts.

In 2012 Syria shot down Turkish F-4 which briefly for several seconds passed over Syrian territorial waters.

After that incident Turks made extremely harsh ROE for Syrians. Each time Syrian jet approaches at ~10 km to Turkish border, TuAF calls him on radio and warns that crossing the border maybe harmful for his health. And if after that he crosses the border even for 1 meter Turks call pair of F-16 and shoots it. They dont give a damn where the violator was during shooting and where he falls.

In case of Russian jets Turkey showed restraint and did not shoot first times (Russia admitted violation). They summoned Russian ambassador TWICE and warned him.

Syria conflict: Turkey summons Russian ambassador a second time - BBC News

 

[-SINAN-]

2) If we accept what Turkish army said, what was the reason for Russians to invade the Turkish airspace ?
3)The known fact is that it went through the Turkish space (3.00 KM) which could pass by less then 30 second so it can't be true that it took 5 minutes , one side is not telling the truth.
6)well i didn't expected in the area of 4 KM to Turkish border there would be many terrorist ready with cameras being to recording.
7)still would take time to found the wreckage in addition how did the pilots didn't survived and got killed by rebels ?
Putin says Russian fighter jet was downed on Syrian territory 4 km from Turkish border - @Reuters

2-) You should ask this question to them as this was the third time they violated our airspace. If you are asking for my opinion, lack of training and professionalism of the Russian pilots.
3-) I'm saying, we begin to warn them as they begin to approach ourspace.
I'm saying we warned them for 5 minutes, not the incursion take place for 5 minutes.
6-) First of all, they are Turkmen brigade. they are under attack from Assad forces and Russian aerial bombardment. You might wanna check Syrian Civil war thread, there are hundreds of examples.
7-) Mate, rebels are not only at the border.

 

[TurkeyShotDownRusskies]

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