Mig-27 crashes in West Bengal

[soaringphnx]

Guys please, this is a thread on MiG-27 crashes, not on MiG-21s. So what do you say we stick to the topic?

 

[gubbi]

IIRC, the No: 22 sqn of IAF based at Hashimara AFS, along with No:222 sqn operate the older MiG-27 ML variant as against the much advanced MiG-27H variant. (anyone got dope on which sqns operate the MiG-27H variants?)

Those MiG-27MLs were imported from the then SU in KD kits and assembled by HAL.

Similarly, most of the MiG-21 crashes involve the earlier MiG-21FL type 77 and MiG-21M type 88 (unique to India) as opposed to newer MiG-21Bis and Mig-21Bisons.

Hope that answers many questions.

 

[МиГ-29]

Ejection history lists several Mig-21Bis series as well. Infact, there are more Bis crashes than FL & M variants.
As far as I know, both have the Mig-27 variants have the same engines. It is speculated engines could be the main culprits, and not age. Only the Mig-27K has a newer engine, which India does not possess. I guess we have to wait for the accident report to confirm the cause of the crash.

 

[gubbi]

Ejection history list several Mig-21Bis series as well.
As far as I know, both have the Mig-27 variants have the same engines. It is speculated engines could be the main culprits, and not age. Only the Mig-27K has a newer engine, which India does not possess. I guess we have to wait for the accident report to confirm the cause of the crash.

You are right, I counted ~30 Mig21Bis ejections! Well as a solace I could find only ~3-4 Bison crashes.

And yes, both the MiG-27 variants operate the R-29-300 powerplants. The entire MiG-27 fleet was grounded after that crash in Feb earlier this year, blamed on engine trouble. There is no point in trying to upgrade those aircraft or their powerplants. Time to retire them while they are still good. This is where the MMRCA comes in. We need good strike aircraft.

 

[МиГ-29]

Yeah. We'll see if the engine is indeed the culprit. But even so, 12 crashes in 10 or so years isn't so bad that we need a newer engine. We can live with the current one, but with some precautions.

 

[baker]

Replace Mig 21 with LCA and replace mig 27 with MRCA

problem solved

 

[МиГ-29]

Mig-27s and Mig-21s are going to stay for a long time to come. Unless Russia donates their surplus Su-27s for free, we have to live with it. This isn't a Car you are manufacturing, this a fighter jet where you can only churn out a limited amount of fighters each year. The top most priority right now is to maintain force levels. Already we are several squadrons down the sanctioned strength. The last thing we need is common people who just say we need to replace A with B, like replacing some groceries in the super market.

 

[ptldM3]

Lets think about this for a moment, The MiG-21 problems were overcome by 2006, a year in which no MiG-21s were lost. India improved maintenance, spare parts quality and pilot training to the point that the aircraft was no longer considered the most dangerous fighter to fly. But they were more expensive to keep in safe flying condition. So now all are headed for retirement.

Something is just not makeing sense here. India grounds the planes for a year improves maintance and spare parts and the planes dont crash for a year and the reason they crashed befor was pilots error. Then India gets rid of the planes because they are too expensive to maintain properly, but the reason for the crashs were pliots error. Of course the pliots woudll receive training, you would just not expect them to take a years vacation. I expect the article I quoted was just using the figures India and Russia furnished. I like to think for my self.

Lot of people in India and Russia have a vested interest in keeping the Migs flying any cost in pliots lives.

Read the bolded part in your sentence and pay special attention to the following paragraph, "but the reason for the crashs were pliots error". Now read the red highlighted part in your source, do things make sense now


And i'm still waiting for that source, i still want to know where you got information that states the US had 100 crashes for every 100,000 hours flown in Soviet aircraft, when the US does not have 100 Soviet aircraft, nor did the US crash 100 Soviet aircraft.

 

[TaimiKhan]

The Thread was about a Mig-27 crash, while the discussion was changed into another Mig-21 as well as a bashing thread.

Thread closed as the purpose of the thread was lost and discussion changed into something else.