The Bison is the better BVR Machine since its based on the larger nose of the third generation Mig-21.
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The Bison is the better BVR Machine since its based on the larger nose of the third generation Mig-21.
That is quite true, The F-7PG will fly circles around the Bison. That being said, both aircraft are armed with Helmet mounted displays and off boresight seekers which gives an even playing field on the first shot to both. Just as with the LCA and JF-17.. the one who is able to take the first shot wins.. If each survives the first shot.. then the Bison is essentially dead.I read somewhere that in WVR Fights the Bison is easily outmatched by the F-7 PGs - Is there truth in that ?
That is quite true, The F-7PG will fly circles around the Bison. That being said, both aircraft are armed with Helmet mounted displays and off boresight seekers which gives an even playing field on the first shot to both. Just as with the LCA and JF-17.. the one who is able to take the first shot wins.. If each survives the first shot.. then the Bison is essentially dead.
Yaraa then tell me a couple of things :
(i) I also recall reading somewhere that the F-7 PGs even defeated F-16s in a couple of dog-fights; would they then still have Operational Relevance today & in the next (say!) 10 years !
(ii) Would they - the PGs - have relevance perhaps not that much Operationally but when it comes to designing WVR Tactics as part of our Training ? In a way pitting an agile air platform against another to come up with newer tactics or refining the old ones ?
i) The F-7PGs do regularly end up besting F-16s but that is a combination of good aerodynamics and pilot tactics. They have relevance today as they are great WVR fighters and excellent if used within a force mix. Their effectiveness ten years from now is not so certain. As the presence of BVR weaponry makes them less and less relevant.
Thanks !
And you're certain that no cost-effective out of box solution would be able to give them a new life-line by dealing with that cramped nose-cone & the inability to install a better radar ?
That is quite true, The F-7PG will fly circles around the Bison.
How? Seems like similar aerodynamic performance doesn't suggest flying circles or am I missing something.
but the thing is Bisons accelarates better has more range can carry more and has better radar and BVR package than the F7s cause all that so caled "aplha manouverability" F7s (The F-7PG will fly circles around the Bison.)cant escape a speeding derby or python missile from a bison which also has better EW suite and counter measures than F7Yes you are, there is no similiar aerodynamic performance when it comes to the standard winged(and also heavier) Mig-21 Bison when compared to the double delta F-7PG. Better turn rate.. better high alpha manoeuvrability.. and if basic loaded weights are taken... better T/W I believe.
but the thing is Bisons accelarates better has more range can carry more and has better radar and BVR package than the F7s cause all that so caled "aplha manouverability" F7s (The F-7PG will fly circles around the Bison.)cant escape a speeding derby or python missile from a bison which also has better EW suite and counter measures than F7
so Bisons are better in a one to one fight with F7s any day
well Whats the point oscar sirji of having a BVR cause when a F7 gets to know that a BVR is already locked on it and coming its way well before its fires its WVR its pilot has to eject cause modern BVRs like derby and R 77 are much much better than what they use to be a decade agoNeither can the Bison escape the WVR missile on the PG. Bisons are going to be better than the PG in BVR.. not so in WVR. And please avoid stupid smilies in technical discussions. Makes you look like a troll rather than someone who wants to have intelligent talk.. and you know what I do to trolls.
why is that so Elaborate that Yr F-7 Pg is have better chance Give tech details too convince me you cannot so in WVR
well Whats the point oscar sirji of having a BVR cause when a F7 gets to know that a BVR is already locked on it and coming its way well before its fires its WVR its pilot has to eject cause modern BVRs like derby and R 77 are much much better than what they use to be a decade ago
maybe im wrong care to explain
why is that so Elaborate that Yr F-7 Pg is have better chance Give tech details too convince me you can