Microsoft’s default font is at the center of a government corruption case

[Arsalan]

The fact is that the originator of the font himself has confirmed that it is possible to have used Calibri as a font when the document is purported to have been written, as I have said before. Therefore, using the date of commercial release of the font, by itself, to assume forgery is not a valid argument.

And where have he said that this particular doc. could have been typed in this font?
or any doc by these people?
please do share!

 

[VCheng]

And where have he said that this particular doc. could have been typed in this font?
or any doc by these people?
please do share!

It is not up to him. The expert is clearly mistaken to conclude that the commercial release date of the font, by itself, impugns the document, when it was indeed available for use.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The fact is that the originator of the font himself has confirmed that it is possible to have used Calibri as a font when the document is purported to have been written, as I have said before. Therefore, using the date of commercial release of the font, by itself, to assume forgery is not a valid argument.

1) The main evidence provided by JIT proving Maryam Safdar to be the beneficial owner of the Avenfield Apartments is the 'verification and authentication' of the documents that had surfaced during the Panama Leaks by the Financial Investigation Agency of British Virginia Islands. FIA BVI has verified those documents and official letter is attached with JIT Report

2) Maryam Safdar was summoned to submit the original "Trust Deed" documents signed in 2006 which made her the "Trustee" of the Avenfield Apartments (as claimed by her). What she submitted as "Original", turned out to be good quality photocopies of the Original.

3) The Experts' Report that the Font used in documents was commercially released on a date later than the purported date of the signing of the agreement (as mentioned on the document itself) sheds further doubt on Maryam's claims, and this report was presented as a "Corroborating Evidence"


No court of law will examine a "Corroborating Evidence" independently of the "Initial Evidence", so what you are saying is simply wrong

 

[VCheng]

1) The main evidence provided by JIT proving Maryam Safdar to be the beneficial owner of the Avenfield Apartments is the 'verification and authentication' of the documents that had surfaced during the Panama Leaks by the Financial Investigation Agency of British Virginia Islands. FIA BVI has verified those documents and official letter is attached with JIT Report

2) Maryam Safdar was summoned to submit the original "Trust Deed" documents signed in 2006 which made her the "Trustee" of the Avenfield Apartments (as claimed by her). What she submitted as "Original", turned out to be good quality photocopies of the Original.

3) The Experts' Report that the Font used in documents was commercially released on a date later than the purported date of the signing of the agreement (as mentioned on the document itself) sheds further doubt on Maryam's claims, and this report was presented as a "Corroborating Evidence"


No court of law will examine a "Corroborating Evidence" independently of the "Initial Evidence", so what you are saying is simply wrong

You are correct that other matters are more substantive than the font issue. Using the date of commercial release, by itself, to impugn the date of the document is a clear mistake, as I have shown. I will say no more on this matter, for now. Peace!

 

[M. Sarmad]

You are correct that other matters are more substantive than the font issue. Using the date of commercial release, by itself, to impugn the date of the document is a clear mistake, as I have shown. I will say no more on this matter, for now. Peace!

That's where you are wrong. The JIT hasn't provided Experts' Report as the primary/initial evidence but as a 'Corroborating Evidence". You have "assumed" it on your own

 

[expert]

No offense but you are not familiar with our history; Me and Zibago.

Normally with Imranistan, whenever members don't agree with the tactics of Imran Khan like in 2014 where his dharna took Islamabad as hostage costing more than 500 billion rupees and not to mention his pro-stances on TTP that claimed the lives of more than 50,000 innocent people including the children and the women, yet they are told to mind their own business. Most of them they are branded as paid Baboon or whatever the name-calling you can think of. It is like their way or highway which is exactly what is happening in India as well. Do we want that?

Can you clarify your two claims? You say that his dharna cost 500 billion rupees? Do you have any substantial proof of that? Can you also clarify how Imran Khan's pro-Taliban stance claimed more than 50,000 innocent lives?

The fact is that the originator of the font himself has confirmed that it is possible to have used Calibri as a font when the document is purported to have been written, as I have said before. Therefore, using the date of commercial release of the font, by itself, to assume forgery is not a valid argument.

While it is theoretically possible to have used Calibri, it is beyond reasonable doubt to suggest that Freemanbox went out of the way to get hold of a font that was not commercially available. The highest burden of proof used in criminal cases is:

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that one would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of one's own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty. The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution is that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent unless and until proven guilty.

It is safe to say beyond reasonable doubt that the document was forged. The courts will make the final decision in the end.

 

[Awi]

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1) Calibri version 2.00 came with Office Mac 2008

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2) myfontfree.com << domain age: 300 days (created on 2016-09-14)

3) wfonts.com << domain age: 285 days (created on 2016-09-29)

4) the github link takes to EvanPurkhiser page and his OLDEST gist is only 6 year old.

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Webmasters can make crawlers index their webpages on a timeline of your choosing for SEO purposes. I can set you up a free wordpress blog, upload JIT report on it, and fool crawlers into believing that it was uploaded on August 14, 1947. Timeline for links on google search amounts to bullshit and only a noora would take it for proof.
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Reply when you can.

And domain creation date can not be changed???? You know that WHOIS accuracy program was implemented in 2013, right?

and what's your point by saying Calibri 2.0 also came with Office Mac 2008?

You know what, don't bother replying, just forget about it. You have no knowledge of anything you are talking about yet trying to prove that you are an expert.

 

[ghazi52]

We asked the creator of Calibri to weigh in on the JIT debate
Zain Siddiqui
July 12, 2017

The joint investigation team (JIT) investigating the ruling Sharif family's financial history may have found many 'anomalies' in the respondents' statements; but none quite captured the public imagination like the fact that key documents submitted by Maryam Nawaz were found to be 'faked' — given away by their use of the Calibri font.

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Maryam Nawaz Sharif

✔@MaryamNSharif
2nd trust deed:
I am a trustee & NOT the owner. Proof attached. #TheTruth

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Dawn.com reached out to Lucas de Groot, the designer credited with creating the font, to weigh in on whether the font was available in February 2006 (when the document was signed) or earlier, as claimed by Maryam Nawaz supporters, or 2007, as claimed by pretty much the rest of the internet.

A query, addressed to de Groot through his company LucasFonts, was answered by Lieselotte Schäfer, a company representative, who said:

"As discussed with Lucas, here is what we can say about the Calibri release dates: Lucas started designing Calibri in 2002 and sent the final source files to Microsoft not before March 2004."

The reply goes on to add although beta versions of the Microsoft Vista Operating System (codenamed Longhorn) were subsequently made available — LucasFont said Microsoft could say when exactly — "early Windows betas are intended for programmers and technology freaks to see what works and what doesn’t."

"As the file size of such operating systems is huge, it would have been a serious effort to get," the reply added, possibly to address the question of whether such a beta version of a software may have been used by whoever drafted the documents for Maryam Nawaz.

"As far as I know, the first public beta versions of Calibri were published in 2006. We do not know the exact date for this public release date [but] it is [still] extremely unlikely that somebody would copy fonts from a beta environment to use in official documents," it adds.

The first public beta version, according to a Wikipedia entry, was released on June 6, 2006 — close to four months after the papers were said to have been signed by Maryam Nawaz.

LucasFont's statement also holds weight given that beta versions of software are unfinished and in testing phase. Only people with an extra-ordinary interest in computer software usually subscribe to their use, as they potentially hold numerous undiscovered glitches that may interrupt their usage at any given time.

"Office 2007 was the first product officially using Calibri on a large scale," the email continues. "It was made available to volume license customers (resellers) on November 30, 2006, and later to retail on January 30, 2007, [at] the same [time as the] respective release dates of Windows Vista."

In a separate email, de Groot, the font designer himself, said that while in theory it would have been possible to create a document using Calibri in 2006, the font would have to be obtained from a beta operating system, "from the hands of computer nerds".

"Why would anyone use a completely unknown font for an official document in 2006?" he went on to question.

"If the person using Calibri was such a font lover that he or she had to use the new Calibri, then he or she should be able to prove that other documents were printed with Calibri in 2006, and these prints should be in the hands of other people as well," he wrote.

De Groot said in his opinion the document signed by Maryam Nawaz was "produced much later, when Calibri was the default font in MS Word".

Though the forensic expert engaged by the JIT had made basically the same argument — that the font was not available publicly before January 31, 2007 and therefore unlikely to have been used in an official document dated 2006 — there were some who continued to insist that the font had been in circulation before that and there was nothing suspicious about Maryam Nawaz using it.

Among these was Barrister Zafarullah Khan, who appeared to mock the forensic expert's opinion on Tuesday evening during a press conference. During his brief talk, Khan sarcastically directed whoever was making the claim to: "Please Google and see that [the font] was released in August 2004."

There were indications that the Wikipedia entry for the Calibri font had also been changed repeatedly to reflect a similar claim till Wikipedia itself placed a hold on editing the page till July 18 "or till editing disputes are solved".


https://www.dawn.com/news/1344685/we-asked-the-creator-of-calibri-to-weigh-in-on-the-jit-debate

 

[friendly_troll96]

And domain creation date can not be changed???? You know that WHOIS accuracy program was implemented in 2013, right?

Apparently there was system in place to record registration information for normal domains such as pakwheels.com (created in 2002) but not for premium value domains such as wfonts.com and myfontfree.com because that little expert up your hindside tells you so.

Yeah someone would register a six letter premium domain (wfonts) and not renew the contract because they wanted it to be pooled back into the system and register it some time later because they wanted to change its date of creation knowing too well the fact that once they lost control of it they’d never be able to get it back.

and what's your point by saying Calibri 2.0 also came with Office Mac 2008?

The point is to show you that you must have real noora powers to have been able to use Calibri 2.0 in 2005 (as shown in your screenshot) three year prior to its release in 2008 (as shown in my screenshot of Microsoft’s website).

By the way you didn’t say anything about the github link. Ran out of crap or something?

You know what, don't bother replying, just forget about it. You have no knowledge of anything you are talking about yet trying to prove that you are an expert.

I’m not an expert nor did I claim I was, but I bet two flies on your face that I know what I’m talking about and that you’re only bullshitting.

I work with fonts, domains and websites and some of the senior moderators of this very forum know my work. I don’t want to come off as I’m bragging by giving more info on this. I’m however bookmarking your profile and will reveal it to you at some appropriate time.

P.S. Reply when you can.

 

[Finer]

Can you clarify your two claims? You say that his dharna cost 500 billion rupees? Do you have any substantial proof of that? Can you also clarify how Imran Khan's pro-Taliban stance claimed more than 50,000 innocent lives?

There are mainstream articles covered on this topic 3 years ago. I am sure you can find some if you google it. Or check the Dharna thread 2014 which has most of articles for the specific points.

Besides, what do you think will happen when the cities and towns are taken as hostage for more than one month with traffic blocked in almost the whole place? The economy suffers, and local businesses suffered which came to the point they protested against PTI for lock out policy. Not to mention, issuing civil disobedience and PTI chairman was caught instigating racial war during that time. I am sure you can find them in Dharna thread. All the best.

 

[Zibago]

Can you clarify your two claims? You say that his dharna cost 500 billion rupees? Do you have any substantial proof of that? Can you also clarify how Imran Khan's pro-Taliban stance claimed more than 50,000 innocent lives?

Regurgitated bs i was talking about

 

[Finer]

@Fallen King it was NOT about Imran Khan or PTI.
What i am amazed at is how people find in them to still defence, support or even COMPARE the thugs like Nawaz Sharif with ANYONE else.

Have you checked this?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/wiki...anging-fonts-release-dat.506248/#post-9657215

Do you think there is any sensible and respectable answer to this being a Pakistani??
It was shameless to say the least!

No one is defending PMLN. But the problem has been reading comprehension for most Imranistan which can be found in this thread as well.

To the extent, members who questions the narrative are discouraged immediately followed by personal tirade.

To me Pakistani origin and Pakistani are two different things

Pakistan is nationalistic at best. There is no origin about Pakistan in the first place since Pakistan is the mixture of states/races, and immigration to boost the multiculturalism. But i am sure they are big words for you to comprehend.

A snowflake got offended well i am not going to kill you for it like SHebaz did for Model town protesters

Good luck surviving against USA police in USA if you think you are going to trespass and cross the limits with the police forces.

I feel bad for what happened to them though.

But that is nothing compared to Imran Khan's pro-TTP that killed more than 50,000 people including the children and the women.

I am sure i will be slaughtered by Imran Khan's pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP if i question the narrative of PTI and its pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP.

Cant comment on that as i dont live abroad but you are the only politically active baboon with very mutilated understanding of Pakistani history and no understanding of its national language all you do is regurgitate debunked bs over and over again always expecting a new outcome

Mutilated understanding of Pakistan history? From what i have understood, even today Pakistani awaam is the confused bunch especially when it comes to the vision of Jinnah (R.A). Pakistani awaam hasn't understood the vision of Jinnah (R.A) to this day which results of blasphemy laws and terrorism [TTP], extremist mindset due to conservative society, and intolerance for opinions in the name of freedom of speech/expression, and no place for liberalism in Pakistan.

If Jinnah (R.A) was alive, he would definitely say that this Pakistan is not what he intended. I can only hope that future Pakistan has room for liberalism where people can have voices even if people don't like it, where multiculturalism play big part regardless of where they are from, and people from all kind of faiths and races are welcome and live among them in the progressive society of Pakistan. That day will come, God Willing.

The Pakistan you want and most people do contradicts real vision of Jinnah (R.A). In essence, most of you are not Pakistanis to begin with.

Nope you are not you get debunked one day and regurgitate same bs the next day

If they got educated here they can

The answer lies for those who are willing to seek it

Nah just the ability to read it will do

I am beginning to think that that is what you are doing in term of regurgitating the same bs since you pretty much have no answer to my questions, and avoided all the questions. But that is okay since the answer is there for those who are willing to seek it which can be self explanatory for public domain who are reading this thread.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/12/microsoft-calibri-pakistan-fontgate/

damn check this out this #fontgate is global

someone needs to tell them and the world about that ape rana sana-ullu calling it a fone instead of font

 

[Zibago]

No one is defending PMLN.

Yeah yeah we know that anything else?

To the extent, members who questions the narrative are discouraged immediately followed by personal tirade.

Question?Nigga you post same old debunked shit daily

I am sure i will be slaughtered by Imran Khan's pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP if i question the narrative of PTI and its pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP.

Who took money from Osama and funded Malik Izhaq?

even today Pakistani awaam is the confused bunch especially when it comes to the vision of Jinnah (R.A).

I am sure he wouldnt be a fan of a dunghole who called India/Pak border just a line with no meaning

Good luck surviving against USA police in USA if you think you are going to trespass and cross the limits with the police forces.

Darlin the police attacked them in their own home

I can only hope that future Pakistan has room for liberalism where people can have voices even if people don't like it,

You have to be a complete idiot if you believe that pmln whose biggest criticism of IK is antisemetic and sexist than god bless your rotten brain

I am sure i will be slaughtered by Imran Khan's pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP if i question the narrative of PTI and its pro-Terrorist-outfit aka TTP.

Nope you are more likely to die from police abuse in punjab or babooni sectarian partners who were allowed to hold shia kafir rallies in Islamabad by the babooni interior minister

], extremist mindset due to conservative society, and intolerance for opinions in the name of freedom of speech/expression,

Yeah and thats why baboon league has gone on a banning spree from cartoons to shows they dislike

If Jinnah (R.A) was alive, he would definitely say that this Pakistan is not what he intended. I can only hope that future Pakistan has room for liberalism where people can have voices even if people don't like it, where multiculturalism play big part regardless of where they are from, and people from all kind of faiths and races are welcome and live among them in the progressive society of Pakistan. That day will come, God Willing.

At the hands of educated youth of Pakistan not canadians or pro India corrupt dinosaurs

The Pakistan you want and most people do contradicts real vision of Jinnah (R.A). In essence, most of you are not Pakistanis to begin with.

SAys the canadian with bs views and zero understanding of our language or history

I am beginning to think that that is what you are doing in term of regurgitating the same bs since you pretty much have no answer to my questions, and avoided all the questions.

What you said was debunked by me multiple times i cant cure stubbornness now can i?

The Pakistan you want

A corruption free Pakistan with liberal social policies and hawkish foreign policy?

 

[ghazi52]