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[pzfz]

They practice their religion in entirety. Its illegal for them to impersonate muslim rituals.

They have their own economy. Own Version of Zakaat and Khums. Much like Pakistani Scientologists.

Because you excommunicated them. Besides the Ismailis also have this setup. You know, Jinnah's community? It's also not illegal for scientologists to believe and practice what they want. They are also not defined by the govt about what rituals they can do or what they define themselves as.

 

[El Sidd]

And next you won't bank with an institution that employs Ahmadis, or shop at a store that employs Ahmadis, or buy a car from a company that employs Ahmadis, or let an Ahmadi clean the streets, or your house.

So if this ends up being the majority position, what exactly are Ahmadis supposed to do? Like Fawad Chaudhry said, do you intolerant, prejudiced, insecure, hatemongering people want to throw millions of Ahmadis into the Arabian sea?

It is my human right to decide who i deal with.

Ahmadis are far more strict in this but you will always ignore that.

 

[313ghazi]

It is none of Parliaments business. You want to debate theology with them, then do it in a private setting, in a debate forum or something.


A democracy does have the right to pass laws as it sees fit, but this law, of the State taking upon itself Allah's responsibility of judging someone's faith (by declaring Ahmadis non-Muslim) is a blasphemous and anti-Islam law.


Declaring Ahmadi's non-Muslim is absolutely an Anti-Ahmadi, un-Islamic law - it clearly serves to force the religious beliefs of mainstream Muslims onto Ahmadis.

It's not unislamic. There is a whole legal process in shariah for defining of someone holds unislamic beliefs. it's called takfir.

 

[El Sidd]

Because you excommunicated them. Besides the Ismailis also have this setup. You know, Jinnah's community? It's also not illegal for scientologists to believe and practice what they want. They are also not defined by the govt about what rituals they can do or what they define themselves as.

A non muslim is not allowed to impersonate a muslim as per law of the land.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Why is this concept so hard for people ot understand?

Insecurity & a refusal to even try to move beyond the shallow and hateful rhetoric they have been taught. Groups like Daesh, JuA, LeJ etc find willing recruits because of this mindset & the refusal to challenge it.

How was Daesh able to recruit hundreds of thousands of people across the world to carry out & support its depraved campaign of declaring Shia kafir and massacring hundreds of thousands of Shia & Yazidi's and then justify their atrocities as being 'commanded by Islam'? It's this same mindset that exists against Ahmadis. This mindset dehumanizes and demonizes XYZ group because of their religious beliefs & justifies violence & discrimination against them as being 'commanded by Quran & Sunnah'.

The hatred and violence of Daesh/ISIS against Shia & the hatred and violence of mainstream Muslims against the Ahmadis follow the same line of thought.

They practice their religion in entirety. Its illegal for them to impersonate muslim rituals.

They have their own economy. Own Version of Zakaat and Khums. Much like Pakistani Scientologists.

They are more aking to Mormons, and Mormons have existed in the US for decades without mainstream Christianity collapsing. So why are Muslims so insecure over Ahmadis?

 

[El Sidd]

Insecurity & a refusal to even try to move beyond the shallow and hateful rhetoric they have been taught. Groups like Daesh, JuA, LeJ etc find willing recruits because of this mindset & the refusal to challenge it.

How was Daesh able to recruit hundreds of thousands of people across the world to carry out & support its depraved campaign of declaring Shia kafir and massacring hundreds of thousands of Shia & Yazidi's and then justify their atrocities as being 'commanded by Islam'? It's this same mindset that exists against Ahmadis. This mindset dehumanizes and demonizes XYZ group because of their religious beliefs & justifies violence & discrimination against them as being 'commanded by Quran & Sunnah'.

The hatred and violence of Daesh/ISIS against Shia & the hatred and violence of mainstream Muslims against the Ahmadis follow the same line of thought.

So anyone who believes ahmadis are not muslims are terrorists?

 

[pzfz]

A non muslim is not allowed to impersonate a muslim as per law of the land.

thinking this starts and ends with the "law of the land" is your first and only problem. Maybe the law is bad and should change? It will change, back to the early and prospering days of Pak when there was no such convoluted thinking. Ahmadis still consider themselves to be muslim. They still practice Islam. Go to Hajj. Say the Kalima.

 

[313ghazi]

Insecurity & a refusal to even try to move beyond the shallow and hateful rhetoric they have been taught. Groups like Daesh, JuA, LeJ etc find willing recruits because of this mindset & the refusal to challenge it.

How was Daesh able to recruit hundreds of thousands of people across the world to carry out & support its depraved campaign of declaring Shia kafir and massacring hundreds of thousands of Shia & Yazidi's and then justify their atrocities as being 'commanded by Islam'? It's this same mindset that exists against Ahmadis. This mindset dehumanizes and demonizes XYZ group because of their religious beliefs & justifies violence & discrimination against them as being 'commanded by Quran & Sunnah'.

The hatred and violence of Daesh/ISIS against Shia & the hatred and violence of mainstream Muslims against the Ahmadis follow the same line of thought.


They are more aking to Mormons, and Mormons have existed in the US for decades without mainstream Christianity collapsing. So why are Muslims so insecure over Ahmadis?

Mormons is a good example. These people define themselves as mormons and are defined by others as mormons. They don't claim to be another protestant denomination.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Insecurity & a refusal to even try to move beyond the shallow and hateful rhetoric they have been taught. Groups like Daesh, JuA, LeJ etc find willing recruits because of this mindset & the refusal to challenge it.

How was Daesh able to recruit hundreds of thousands of people across the world to carry out & support its depraved campaign of declaring Shia kafir and massacring hundreds of thousands of Shia & Yazidi's and then justify their atrocities as being 'commanded by Islam'? It's this same mindset that exists against Ahmadis. This mindset dehumanizes and demonizes XYZ group because of their religious beliefs & justifies violence & discrimination against them as being 'commanded by Quran & Sunnah'.

The hatred and violence of Daesh/ISIS against Shia & the hatred and violence of mainstream Muslims against the Ahmadis follow the same line of thought.


They are more aking to Mormons, and Mormons have existed in the US for decades without mainstream Christianity collapsing. So why are Muslims so insecure over Ahmadis?

A very fine example of wana be liberal.....but mister you can't change laws of religion.

 

[pzfz]

So anyone who believes ahmadis are not muslims are terrorists?

So anyone who believe in them being muslims deserves to be terrorized by the majority?

 

[CIS-TRANS]

Declaring Ahmadi's non-Muslim is absolutely an Anti-Ahmadi, un-Islamic law - it clearly serves to force the religious beliefs of mainstream Muslims onto Ahmadis.

And declaring mirza ghulam ahmed a prophet and those who oppose him are infidel is very islamic to you? What is khatam e nabuwat to you, can you tell me here?

 

[El Sidd]

They are more aking to Mormons, and Mormons have existed in the US for decades without mainstream Christianity collapsing. So why are Muslims so insecure over Ahmadis?

Where are the chrisitian empires?

Its not about insecurity. Its simple logic.

Mohammad s.a.w brought Islam.
Mirza brought ahmadi faith.

It is a nuisance alone that these people advocate real islam outside of pakistan and Paint pakistanis as intolerant extremist people.

What next accept deen i ilahi? And say ram and rahim are same?

 

[pzfz]

Mormons is a good example. These people define themselves as mormons and are defined by others as mormons. They don't claim to be another protestant denomination.

Neither do ahmadis claim to be sunnis. Btw, mormons still consider themselves to be christian.

 

[El Sidd]

thinking this starts and ends with the "law of the land" is your first and only problem. Maybe the law is bad and should change? It will change, back to the early and prospering days of Pak when there was no such convoluted thinking. Ahmadis still consider themselves to be muslim. They still practice Islam. Go to Hajj. Say the Kalima.

Make an ijma and bring the Change rather than forcing it through petty tactics.

If this phenonmenon did not have british protectionist policies it would not have lasted 15 years.

 

[pzfz]

A very fine example of wana be liberal.....but mister you can't change laws of religion.

You're a fine example of a brain-dead extremist. Laws of religion don't need to be legislated for normal people. You can't change stupidity.