still lot of ch-46s are preserve in good condition at
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base
request for usa to give us 30-40 of therse horse
buy spending a minor amount they can be upgraded
We need around 3 to 5 chinkook not more but they cannot be MI 17 replacement we can use them for heavylifting operation
Chinkook should be bought for pak marines too
Co production of helicopter give pakistan navy a big lift too because they can buy easily with less price for asw role with greater payload and range and better sonar than Z 8
PN can buy 5 to 8 of co produced helis for pak marines they are most needed currently they use only gins and few shoulder fired air to surace launchers
Our SSG, SSGN, AIRFORCE SSG can benefit alot with dedicated helox
Mi17-V5 is the best replacement for older airframes.
Why reinvent the wheel?
Bhai fof how long one day you have to MI 17 V is different airframe it is different helo but look like Mi 17 but its frame is very different and when we co produce maintanace will not be issue
In the past we did that .., but now Pak has opened an overhauling facility for MI helis with cooperation from St Petersberg workshop...
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@Super Falcon. Pak Army Aviation has being flying MIs since decades ... The helicopter which crashed this week was the new V5 variant modified to carry extra fuel... It crashed due to the extreme weather...
Agreed but dont you think MI 17 crashes become more frequent now alone 3 crashes in media i saw famous one of ambasador killed i know weather is issue but not all the time if you carefully see other crashes there is something we should look into
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Our Mi 17s have been used for a multitude of roles in the last 15 years
WOT
Floods
VVIP and there will be accidents but overall the platform has been very versatile and reliable
This is why im saying once we co produce helos we buy helo for rescue and vip roles with special modification and for military helos only used for military work time being they get less used they well
Currently we use army helos like donkey for everything there should be management if we get co production we can put little burden on armed forces helo we buy dedicated 10 to 20 helo for rescue given to army only for rescue 4 to 8 vvip helos fof vip transport also given to army as they di this job this will put balanced pressure of work on helos and they go longer life span
Sorry Mr. Fatman17, every time a Mi17 crashed its dififcult to defend him. Its passed technolgy, old project. Pak Army allready as a good medium machine B412 and a good cheap light machine Ecurreuil, you need a heavier Helicopter, that could take a full rifle Platoon and operate on all weather with state of the art technology. You need EH101.
Most of the missions nade by Mi17 can be made by B412, you only need more and they are avaiable. Its a safe Chopper, its escorting AH1 Cobras with MGs and Rifleman.When you need to carry a heavier load or more troops you will use the EH101. If Portugal is a poor country and have 12 of these machines, Pak army can get at least 24-36 and buy medium and light helicopters! Dont go to work every day in a truck, use a SMART!
Enjoy the ride
Agree with you sense being a world best force and chalanges which PAK army has no army has in the world it makes us to buy reliable better equipment and versatile aviation which can choose what it needs for any operation if there is a need of operation to carry 2p armed jawans and 155mm artilery MI 17 cant do it but heavylifter like friend mentioned can do it not only it saves time but it give tactical depth in army mission
But these cannot be MI 17 REPLACEMENT these should be used for heavylifter roles
Time for PAK ARMY AVIATION to get out of love affair if MI 17 different mission rrequire different equipment. Im not saying PA start buying today but what has crashed dont buy MI 17 co produce medium lift with china and buy heavylift helicopter for aviation
Countries like portugal indonesia uae saudia etc dont have chalanges like PA has yet they have helos of different types
MI 17 was best was if it was that good low fuel usage no helo of medium lift than be made but every helo has its destinctive speciality which we always ignored and lost lives of our beloved jawans
Role Medium utility helicopter
Manufacturer Airbus Helicopters (formerly Eurocopter Group)
Harbin Aircraft Industry Group (HAIG)
First flight 17 December 2009
Introduction December 2014[1]
Status In production
The Airbus Helicopters H175, also known as the Avicopter Z-15 and formerly as the Eurocopter EC175, is a 7-ton class medium utility helicopter produced by Airbus Helicopters (formerly Eurocopter Group) and the Harbin Aircraft Industry Group of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC). Formally launched at Heli-Expo in Houston on 24 February 2008, the EC175 was due to be certified in 2011, with Airbus Helicopters aiming to sell approximately 800 to 1,000 EC175s over 20 years.[2][3]
In 2015, the EC175 was formally renamed to the H175, in line with Eurocopter's corporate rebranding as Airbus Helicopters.[4]
Development Edit

An EC175 prototype during a demonstration flight
A development contract for the EC175 was signed on 5 December 2005, with Preliminary Design Review (PDR) completed on 5 December 2006 and Critical Design Review (CDR) completed on 5 December 2007. Development of the EC175 is expected to cost €600 million.[2] The EC175 is being developed through close cooperation with existing operators, through a customer advisory team (CAT) approach.[5]
During the EC175's formal unveiling at Heli-Expo 2008, Eurocopter booked a total of 111 purchase options from 13 customers, including launch customers Bristow Helicopters and the VIH Aviation Group.[6] During the Zhuhai Airshow in November 2008, a letter of intent for 5 Z-15s was signed between HAIG and Chinese domestic general-purpose aviation company Longken General Aviation Cooperation.[7]
First flown on the 4 December 2009,[8] the prototype had its official maiden flight on 17 December 2009 in Marignane, France.[9] Certification with the EASA was expected for 2013, but occurred in January 2014.[10]
An initial assembly line for the EC175 was expected to be established at Airbus Helicopters' Marignane plant, with a second Airbus Helicopters assembly line to follow three or four years later.[11]
The EC175 holds the 3 km[12] and 6 km[13] time-to-climb records for its class, ratified by FAI, at about a minute per kilometre.
Design Edit
The EC175 will be built for civilian and parapublic applications, its primary markets being support of the oil and gas industry and search and rescue missions. Other applicable roles include parapublic operations, homeland security, air medical services, utility missions and corporate transportation.
The EC175 will be extensively designed and built using computer-aided design/computer-aided manufacturing (CAD/CAM). The gears and the casing of the EC175's main gearbox (MGB) have, for example, been completely developed using CATIA V5, a first for Airbus Helicopters.[2] The use of CAD has allowed Airbus Helicopters and HAIG to create a virtual mock-up, simplifying the task of coordinating between partners based 10,000 km apart.[14] The first EC175 airframe structure was delivered by HAIG to Airbus Helicopters Marignane in November 2008.[15]
Airbus Helicopters will have responsibility for the EC175's main gearbox, tail rotor, avionics, autopilot, hydraulic and electrical systems, doors and transparencies. Airbus Helicopters will also be the technical lead and system integrator, and will build two of the three prototypes (the first and third). HAIG will be responsible for the airframe, tail and intermediate gearboxes, main rotor, fuel system, flight controls and landing gear.[16]
The EC175 will be powered by two 1,325 kW (1,775 shp) class, Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC)-equipped Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67E turboshafts, with 5,000 hour time between overhaul (TBO) and on-condition maintenance.[17] The aircraft will use a five-blade Spheriflex main rotor and a three-blade tail rotor. The EC175's main gearbox will incorporate two accessory gearboxes and will be de-clutchable, avoiding the cost and weight of an auxiliary power unit (APU).[18]
The EC175 will be offered with a 16-seat interior for oil and gas transport, with easy access through wide sliding doors, and will feature oversized jettisonable windows. The EC175 will feature a flat floor, and will omit any partition between the cockpit and the cabin. The aircraft will be offered with optional auxiliary fuel tanks under the cabin floor.[18]
The EC175's cockpit will feature four 6X8 inch multi-function LCD displays, plus an optional central mission display. The EC175's state-of-the-art avionics are derived from those developed for the EC225, and include a 4-axis dual duplex autopilot, linked to the aircraft's Flight Management System.[16][18]
The EC175 is expected to exceed EASA CS-29[19] crashworthiness requirements.[citation needed] It is to be certified for full Category A dual pilot operation. The aircraft will have Sea State 6 capability, and will be equipped with two oversized 12-18 passenger life rafts. Airbus Helicopters states that the EC175's noise signature will be "way below" International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) requirements.[18][20]
Operators Edit
 Belgium
Noordzee Helikopters Vlaanderen (2 operating, 14 on order)[1]
 Russia
UTair (15 on order)[1]
 United States
Bristow Group (17 on order) [21]
Variants Edit
EC175
Aircraft produced by Airbus Helicopters for the European, American and international markets.
Z-15
Aircraft produced by HAIG for Chinese operators. The People's Liberation Army also plans to take delivery of the Z-15 in the next decade to replace much of their existing fleet (older Mil Mi-8, Sikorsky S-70, Harbin Z-8 and Harbin Z-9). The Z-15's performance and ruggedness will probably be improved, if it goes into PLA service. In March 1999, Agusta announced that it had signed a US$30 million initial contract with AVIC II and CATIC to develop the gear box and transmission components for the CMH.[22]
Specifications (EC175) Edit
Data from EASA Type certificate[10] and Airbus Helicopters website[23]
General characteristics
Crew: 2 pilots
Capacity: 16/18 passengers
Length: 15.68 m (fuselage only) 18,06 m (from tip of main rotor to tip of tail rotor) ()
Rotor diameter: 14.80 m ()
Height: 3.47 m (5.34 m overall) ()
Disc area: 172 m² ()
Empty weight: 4,603 kg ()
Loaded weight: 7,500 kg (per type certificate) ()
Max. takeoff weight: 7,800 kg [24] (16,535 lb)
Fuel capacity: 2,616 L)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67E turboshaft, 1,324 kW (1,776 shp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 315 km/h
Cruise speed: 285 km/h
Range: 1259.36 km (680 nmi, 782.53 mi)
Service ceiling: 5,500 m ()
Can be produced with china under Airbus banner
The AC313 makes it first public demonstration flight at the Zhuhai Air Show in November 2010.
Role Helicopters
National origin China
Manufacturer Avicopter
First flight 18 March 2010
Introduction Dec 5, 2013
Status In service[1]
Number built 10
Developed from Harbin Z-8
Variants Changhe Z-18
The Avicopter AC313 (also known as the Changhe Z-8F-100) is a civilian helicopter built[2] by Avicopter (AVIC Helicopter Company).[3]
