Well just as an aside, my mother did still try to get me *****-whipped to an extent (i.e. pander to women and put them up on pedestals), but that didn't work. Now that I talk to her about it, she seems to think I did the right thing, since she realizes that being nice to women always ends up in them controlling you and/or walking all over you. Some may not like this, but I don't take **** from women at all. Not one iota. In my books, if you don't do something when they hit you for a stupid reason, you're taking a lot of **** from them. Furthermore, women look down on you if you take **** from them.