Meet Jamat e Islami & Its history.

[silent hill]

JI opposed and cursed Pakistan before it's creation, their leaders called Quaid-e-Azam, Kaffir-e-Azam and referred to Pakistan as NaPakistan.

There wasn't anyone amongst their ranks who supported Pakistan, the statements made by Maulana Maududi against Pakistan are some of the most vile ***** written against our nation.

The religious groups of India opposed the idea of Pakistan barring Maulana Shabbir Ahmed Usmani but he did not support Pakistan as a party but individually and thus had limited influence over our nations foundation.

These groups have used religion to great effect and duped the common public into looking the other way overlooking the doings of this group.

Another little known fact is that JI has had a desk at CIA for decades and they work directly for them, case in point, the madrassa boom of the 80's to support the Jihad in Afghanistan.

Let's hope people come to senses before these Taliban supporting thugs end the Pakistan Jinnah created.

you are talking about CIA but you failed to mention the puppet who was dancing on the orders from CIA, musharraf.., he started the mess we are in today just in the name of WOT, when CIA didnt need him, they discarded him like a fly from cup of tea. it was not jamaat that let in the american evil in the region in the first place, now this american snake is biting the same nation which let this snake in...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You are the one who is confused, the Taliban is the same group who have turned a nation into a hell hole. Their brutal rule and occupation of Afghanistan has turned it into a global problem and TTP wants to recreate the same in Pakistan.

The Taliban are not fighting but rather running around and bombing innocent civilians. They are terrorists, plain and simple, if terrorizing your own nation is winning then the Taliban are great warriors. Ask Afghans like Ahmed and they will tell you how much they detest the Taliban. The Taliban ruined their nation and you support them.

very nicely put brother

while reading through your referrence to the Taliban way of fighting their treatment of people and their overall ideology, I was recalling the following and will like to share with everyone.. Because now the conduct of the jamaat Islami is being justified on the bases of what Afghan Taliban are. Let’s destroy this justification


The conduct on the occupied city

Battles of Mazar-i-Sharif 1997-1998
When Taliban entered the city after 23 day siege they didn’t wait to check who was a fighter or civilian. On record they executed 3000 prisoners and then immediately proceeded to kill 2000 civilians. Their Pakistani counter parts Sipah Sahabah joined this cull and systematically killed Hazara males by house to house search. The killed also included the Iranian diplomat staff that Sipah Sahabah was too pleased to torture and execute. The same Sipah Sahabah elements are now spread among Lal mosque terrorists called Ghazi force, TTP, Taliban, Lashker Ghangvi in addition to them.

The close collaboration of Afghan & Pakistani Taliban is decade old and nothing new. Both share the taqfiri ideology, both base their faith and practice on torture and terror and utter hatred for all moderate Sunnis & specially shias.

Now compare this to another incident

630 AD Capture of Mecca
The Muslim army entered the city, while the Meccans feared for their lives. Upon the instructions of Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH, Hazrat Bilal ibn Ribah RA, shouted out loud to the people of Mecca that they were all safe: "All those who lay down arms are safe. All those in the house of Abu Sufyan are safe. All those behind closed doors are safe."

It doesn’t stop here. The biggest antagonist family Banu Omayyad and its current leader Abu Sufiyan & his wife Hinda LA were given pardon.
Here a point to note for TTP/ Taliban praisers that Abu Suffiyans's house spearheaded the torture and killing of many Muslims including the uncle of the Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

See the difference or these bigots too thick or blind to comprehend the two different outcomes?


Treatment of women

Taliban
Re Taliban, do I really need to elaborate? If a picture speaks thousand words then look at this if Taliban apologists are not blinded by bigotry

Early Islam

Just pause for a moment and think if there is any room for the likes of Hazrat Aisha RA, the mother of the faithful, one of the most celebrated female personality of Islam, in the Taliban universe?

If that’s not enough what about Hazrat Fatima RA, Sadaya-ta-Nisa' al Alameen for whom our Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH will stand up in honour. no woman under the Taliban rule can ever imagine
to have even a fraction of respect & honour like these two female personalities RA had.

Still not convinced? lets move on then

Education and knowledge

Both Afghan Taliban and their TTP cousins counterparts in Pakistan excel in bombing schools, executing teachers, throwing acid on innocent minor girl students, banning modern education and burning books

Early Islam
The educated prisoners of war were given the chance to educate Muslims and were rewarded with their freedom

The Holy Prophet Muhammad PBUH so much stressed on education that advised Muslims to go as far as China to seek knowledge.

Now I treat you with the scroll of Hazat Ali RA.

I will request the Taliban apologists to match it with anything literary from Taliban that doesn’t involve sectarian hatred.. I know you are a failure



Conclusion
I fail to see if Taliban on either side of the Dewarnd line should be entitled to call themselves Muslims that stems from Salam which in Arabic means peace and submission,

Since I am lucky Alhamdulillah that I don’t aspire to the Taqfiri ideology so I won’t call them heretics but their actions are anything but.....


Lastly .. I always pray (I am not just writing it for the sake of writing) that on the judgement day... Allah Subaha hu Ta'allah may instruct his angels to separate these savages from the rest of the Muslims and judge them with the tyrants and barbarians who matched their savagery.

Amen

 

[Irfan Baloch]

you are talking about CIA but you failed to mention the puppet who was dancing on the orders from CIA, musharraf.., he started the mess we are in today just in the name of WOT, when CIA didnt need him, they discarded him like a fly from cup of tea. it was not jamaat that let in the american evil in the region in the first place, now this american snake is biting the same nation which let this snake in...

chief dont derail the discussion and stay on topic.
the subject is jamaat Islami's appoligist view about the terrorists

Musharaf is gone now. but JI continues to justify the murder of civilians at the hands of TTP
the article exposes the jamaats very nature and why it is the way it is.

to your comment I request you to answer the question of Dr Abbasi on Data Darbar attack... why are these Taqfiri fanatics punishing the people of Pakistan 100s of miles away from the conflict?

 

[mikkix]

you are talking about CIA but you failed to mention the puppet who was dancing on the orders from CIA, musharraf.., he started the mess we are in today just in the name of WOT, when CIA didnt need him, they discarded him like a fly from cup of tea. it was not jamaat that let in the american evil in the region in the first place, now this american snake is biting the same nation which let this snake in...

that was scary brother
CIA definitely did that but plz tell me who are the local culprits that supports CIA to kick Mush ***.
seems quite hmmmmmmm for me that what america wants it get succeeded with help of politicians, agencies, civil servants, army judiciary and business community.

 

[T-Faz]

you are talking about CIA but you failed to mention the puppet who was dancing on the orders from CIA, musharraf.., he started the mess we are in today just in the name of WOT, when CIA didnt need him, they discarded him like a fly from cup of tea. it was not jamaat that let in the american evil in the region in the first place, now this american snake is biting the same nation which let this snake in...

Musharraf was discarded because the Americans found out that he was not doing as he was being asked to. There was a famous incident where the American officials on inspection were looking at the work done against Taliban when they found that the focus of the aid was on economy and India.

Because Musharraf was following a different path, the many stooges of the west in our establishment dislodged him.

Musharraf sure has a hand in our current predicament but he is not the root, it's your very own Jamaati's.

 

[mikkix]

Musharraf was discarded because the Americans found out that he was not doing as he was being asked to. There was a famous incident where the American officials on inspection were looking at the work done against Taliban when they found that the focus of the aid was on economy and India.

Because Musharraf was following a different path, the many stooges of the west in our establishment dislodged him.

Musharraf sure has a hand in our current predicament but he is not the root, it's your very own Jamaati's.

Brother i want to disagree in some extent, mush was discarded with the help of locals and west but he was not because of different following, it was due b/c army's brand was in serious quetion mark so the time was came to did that work from civilian one and build repu of army in the eyes of pakistanis.

 

[T-Faz]

Brother i want to disagree in some extent, mush was discarded with the help of locals and west but he was not because of different following, it was due b/c army's brand was in serious quetion mark so the time was came to did that work from civilian one and build repu of army in the eyes of pakistanis.

Musharraf made mistakes, he also had some questionable men with him in his party and that was his undoing.

When his popularity rating fell, so did the armies as he was COAS after all.

Once he left, the army had to rebuild it's image but one thing is for sure, it will never have the status it once had.

 

[mikkix]

Musharraf made mistakes, he also had some questionable men with him in his party and that was his undoing.

When his popularity rating fell, so did the armies as he was COAS after all.

Once he left, the army had to rebuild it's image but one thing is for sure, it will never have the status it once had.

pakistanis have a very short memory and i believed army will do it but the problem is " the world is changed and we have to adapt the change and so the army"

 

[unicorn]

@T-faz

Your comments about Taliban is just like the comments you made in the fashion thread.Talking about modifiying the religion as time progresses.
It is like, what can I prove or make a non believer believe about something that he has no faith upon.Therefore in the same sense your opinions about Taliban have serious lack of sophistications and all you are doing is just speculating which I do not care.

@Irfan Baloch

Stop worrying about Jamait Islam.JI is not murdering balochi people.
Start worrying about sarmachars who are ruthlessly killing Baloch people in the name of freedom and opening a war against Pakistan Army.

@santro
Among T-faz and irfan baloch I consider you to be the wisest when I start following your posts.But it seems like you have completely lost your legitimacy.I make assessment of your posts in the Russian Pakistani relationship thread.In which you claim things only on the emotional and sentimental basis appreciating the ties between the two.But what happened to you when russians recently bashed Pakistan on the mumbai attacks forcing us to act.Your approach is very direct in these discussion.And now you are making another astonishing statement trying to prove me that there is no such thing as Talibans.My advice to you should take salbutamol before posting each and every time.



You all are bunch of nescient.
You are here I am also here lets see what the future will produce and what the circumstances will provoke.

 

[Majnun]

One must never forget a party's roots, it doesn't matter if its a long time ago, that was the party's start, its raison d'etre. That will always remain a part of its ideology and though its thought process may evolve over time you can always find its basic mantras somewhere slightly beneath the surface. Even now most of the Jamaat's leading members will be anti-Pakistan, their view will be that there should be a united Muslim Ummah and no nation-states.
What is ironic is that it was many Barelvis and Ahmadis who supported the creation of Pakistan and, while Barelvis and Deobandis both have sometimes been popular, sometimes unpopular, Ahmadis are one of the most downtrodden people in Pakistan today.
Something Musharraf promised but never fulfilled, I guess due to the rising Islamism after the WoT started, was giving Ahmadis more rights. He managed to improve their condition somewhat, but frothing extremists supported by the Jamaat stopped him, as he considered the time too dangerous politically to make such a move which the Jamaat and militants would pounce upon as an example of his treason against Islam.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Irfan Baloch

Stop worrying about Jamait Islam.JI is not murdering balochi people.
Start worrying about sarmachars who are ruthlessly killing Baloch people in the name of freedom and opening a war against Pakistan Army.

sarmachars can go to hell along with the TTP and their appologists for all I care. being a Pakistani I will worry for the safety of every Pakistani so dont tell me what to worry for. I will worry about JI because this organisation has been repeatedly caught sheltering terrorists.

re sarmachars, our Army is doing a good job of punishing these racist fanatics just like the religious fanatics TTP & Siphah Sahabah in the rest of the country.

the subject is the JI's ideology and its roots and why it acts the way it is acting today so stay on the topic. Russian relations and sarmachars be Damned for now. JI ideology and its support of taliban is rotten to the core hence it needs to be exposed and condemned for the benifit of everyone.

You all are bunch of nescient.
You are here I am also here lets see what the future will produce and what the circumstances will provoke.

come again? where did you pick up these lines from? forget the future from the construction of your sentence it is evident that you cant tell the difference from the elbow and the backside. you were very generous in giving us medical advice but it appears that it is you who needs dulcolax.

I can tell that the posts of us all as you put it, are having an effect on you. it appears that your ego and conscience are going through an internal war at the moment. on one side you see the evidence about JI bigotry & TTP/ Taliban unislamic savagery and other the other side is your ego which doesnt allow you to backout from your position..so you bring in nonrelevent and nonissues in the thread to derail it

but I am glad that contrary to your claim, the members of this forum are smart enough to put the discussion back to the subject

today we celebrate the birth of our founder
this is a black day for Jamaat Islami which called him Kafire Azam

the current leadership can redeem itself by visiting the Mazar e Qaid and saying Fatiha prayers to this great leader

 

[Bas_tum_Pak]

@T-faz

Your comments about Taliban is just like the comments you made in the fashion thread.Talking about modifiying the religion as time progresses.
It is like, what can I prove or make a non believer believe about something that he has no faith upon.Therefore in the same sense your opinions about Taliban have serious lack of sophistications and all you are doing is just speculating which I do not care.

@Irfan Baloch

Stop worrying about Jamait Islam.JI is not murdering balochi people.
Start worrying about sarmachars who are ruthlessly killing Baloch people in the name of freedom and opening a war against Pakistan Army.

@santro
Among T-faz and irfan baloch I consider you to be the wisest when I start following your posts.But it seems like you have completely lost your legitimacy.I make assessment of your posts in the Russian Pakistani relationship thread.In which you claim things only on the emotional and sentimental basis appreciating the ties between the two.But what happened to you when russians recently bashed Pakistan on the mumbai attacks forcing us to act.Your approach is very direct in these discussion.And now you are making another astonishing statement trying to prove me that there is no such thing as Talibans.My advice to you should take salbutamol before posting each and every time.



You all are bunch of nescient.
You are here I am also here lets see what the future will produce and what the circumstances will provoke.

Leave them , They can try to deviate the reality by putting tasty words/images but can't the minds ..

 

[Al-zakir]

But , It is fact Jamat-e-Islami is one of the most United , well Disciplined , Democratic Party in Pakistan.

Same in Bangladesh.

I do not know about Pakistani Jamat leaders but in Bangladesh, they are very honest, educated and corruption free. Bangladesh Jamat would have been very storng political party if they were free of false Propaganda.

 

[Evil Flare]

Only party in Pakistan which has democratic culture .. Ameer changed after every few years ... no Baap dada ki party ... this party have street power in almost every city of Pakistan .... its a National Party , not like PPP or PML-N etc ..

but i don't support any religious party b/c i want religion to be separated from Politics .

 

[naumananjum]

every one knows about the character of "maulana fazul ur rehman"
now jamat e islami is going to shake hand with it
.
really munafikat
.
they are back bone of intaiha pasandi
.
they need to change the directions of their tableegh