Meet Europe's deadliest fighter, the Su-35 Super Flanker

[he-man]

Su-35 compared to Typhoon is F-15 compared to F-16. They are not in the same size class to begin with.

Stop joking here.......post relevant info.
If u do,u will realize i was right.

 

[Superboy]

Stop joking here.......post relevant info.
If u do,u will realize i was right.

okay but comparing Gripen to Su-35 is ridiculous. Gripen is 2 size classes below Su-35.

 

[Fenrir]

But Su 35 is operational and fighting.....

Fighting what?

The F-22 has seen action over Syria - it's not much, but it's more action than the Su-35's ever seen:

The F-22 Raptor Bloodies Its Talons In First Attack Over Syria

Where has the Su-35 seen action?

And the Typhoon may be the best on the block now, but the Raptors are coming:

The Aviationist » U.S. may deploy F-22 Raptor stealth jets to Europe to counter “Russian threat”

 

[he-man]

okay but comparing Gripen to Su-35 is ridiculous. Gripen is 2 size classes below Su-35.

Thats to the advantage of gripen in rcs.
Plus modern wars will be decided by the avionics and not the size and weight of the aircraft.

In that department west and east asia(south korea and japan) are far far ahead of russia

 

[Viper0011.]

We fought 2 of your wars . if you are that much capable thn face russia by your self .dnt use korea , vietnam , Pakistan , Ukraine etc as your front line states.

This is where the problem is.....India runs on team work, nationalism and relationships. Pakistan, runs on ego and individualism......right here is an example. You had and still have 0 capacity to fight a war by yourself even with India, beyond a few weeks. Fighting Russia and Talibans for over decades, with a crippled system, would've destroyed your country and chopped it into pieces. This is just reality. You "HELPED" us as ally's like everyone does and there have been $ 14 billion worth of payments made for it. But you didn't "FIGHT" our wars, or even have the capacity for it.

The point I was trying to make, was a humble one. That Pakistani people should show good will towards others, even online. This leaves a pleasant view in readers minds. A nation is judged by its people and their conduct. So if you show respect and courtesy to what the US has been doing for Pakistan, slowly, slowly, a change takes place. No one said that US and Pakistan have to be best friends at all times. But it doesn't hurt to have a great relationship based on ongoing cooperation, whether one time, its the US needing it, or the second time, Pakistan needed something.

That's ALL I am saying. Just like Pakistan, Indians don't like the US too. But they will NEVER tell you openly or put it on a forum like this. Why? Because they want to show courtesy and respect to their most significant benefactor for the past two decades, and they want the relationship to continue.

Dont blame Pakistan for this. US has a very negative of Pakistan too. Read American journals and newspaper. Never a positive opinion. We have stopped caring about it. So should you.

Actually, I don't agree with it. And here is why. Outside of Taliban's drama, 911 attacks on the US soil, even with rocky relationships, Pakistan was considered an ally. Building nuke weapons triggered sanctions because that's the US law. But here is something for Pakistan's leadership to have thought through, but they decided to blame everything on US instead of having a fail-safe system.

Was dependence on ONE country really what another country (6th largest in population) should do? Should the US be so involved with Pakistan's affairs, that at times, their aid covers salaries of Pakistan's political and military leadership???? What you are telling me, is a "channeled" hate your rulers have installed into your system because they couldn't focus on Pakistan as a country and to establish its foreign policy, relationships and backup channels in case on country got upset (see what's happening right now, you have the US, China, Russia, Turkey, etc, working with you, no dependence on ONE country alone).

So that "channeled hate" or the "blame" came from your rulers of previous 5-60 years. They didn't do anything for Pakistan, they were totally incapable of planning for the growth of Pakistan and never executed anything. However, it was VERY easy to blame the US for ALL ILL in Pakistan, due to ongoing wars and the US's involvement, and wash their hands from their responsibilities.

Till date, that hate is in there and its systematic. Think about this, Pakistan's civilian government has taken shape, they wanted certain weapons and other things, India objected and all. Guess what happened? The US, and MANY other countries across the globe have seen potential in Pakistan, a country that has people and a growing economy.

These countries, based on mutual benefits (just future projections right now), have decided to say, we'll keep India and Pakistan separate. Remember, India, previously had successfully stopped Weapons sales from the US, France, UK and obviously Russia. Now its reversed and India has no leverage anymore. This is what happens when your system and rulers, actually build a multi-national strategy and grow a nation's potential. People start to give you respect.

I've recently heard that the US embassy in Pakistan is issuing seriously large number of tourist / visitor visas to Pakistanis. And it has never happened before. Why? Because the US wants Pakistanis to come over, see the US and what it has to offer, interact with local Americans during their visit, realize that the American public isn't against anyone from Pakistan (besides the bad guys, really small in numbers).

People to people relationships will turn into future business, friendships, investments and all. And both the nations will become closer friends. It ALL starts from small things, like what I was saying, writing cordial, courteous posts towards each other and grow that human to human mentality and relationship. At the end, people living in Pakistan and the US are PEOPLE, have jobs, businesses, kids to grow, care and provide for families, etc. When people start to meet, the barriers go away. But the good will should be shown.

 

[Sipahi]

@Viper0011. pagle rulaye ga kya

 

[Superboy]

Thats to the advantage of gripen in rcs.
Plus modern wars will be decided by the avionics and not the size and weight of the aircraft.

In that department west and east asia(south korea and japan) are far far ahead of russia

Bigger fighter planes are more capable than smaller fighter planes. In WW2 bigger American fighter planes had better power to weight ratios compared to smaller Japanese fighter planes resulting in higher speeds. Bigger Russian fighter planes have better detection range to RCS ratios compared to smaller western European fighter planes resulting in first see first shoot.

Fighting what?

The F-22 has seen action over Syria - it's not much, but it's more action than the Su-35's ever seen:

The F-22 Raptor Bloodies Its Talons In First Attack Over Syria

Where has the Su-35 seen action?

And the Typhoon may be the best on the block now, but the Raptors are coming:

The Aviationist » U.S. may deploy F-22 Raptor stealth jets to Europe to counter “Russian threat”

So what? F-22 is a fighter, not a ground attack plane. In that regard, a WW2 era Il-2 does a better job.

 

[he-man]

Bigger fighters are more capable. In WW2 bigger American fighter planes had better power to weight ratio compared to smaller Japanese fighter planes resulting in higher speed. Bigger Russian fighter planes have better detection range to RCS ratio compared to smaller western European fighter planes resulting in first see first shoot.

We are talking 70 years after ww2 happened.

 

[Superboy]

We are talking 70 years after ww2 happened.

The same concept holds true. Bigger fighter planes kill smaller fighter planes. It's ratios that matter. In WW2 bigger American fighter planes had better power to weight ratios compared to smaller Japanese fighter planes resulting in higher speeds. Bigger Russian fighter planes have better detection range to RCS ratios compared to smaller western European fighter planes resulting in first see first shoot.

 

[he-man]

Bigger Russian fighter planes have better detection range to RCS ratios compared to smaller western European fighter planes resulting in first see first shoot.

Load of bullshit.
Seems like u are unaware of radar performance of western radars,,,specifically aesas in this area.Russia has yet to make an aesa radar thats airborne,not counting n036 which is in testing.

Even irbis-e is pesa,,pretty powerful though,no doubt.Still an inferior tech to aesas.

Russians cannot make good silicon chips comparable to the west,,,forget about west they cannot even compete with chinese in electronics now.The times have changed,galaxy s6 uses a 14 nm fabrication process and russians are still way way behind,check urself.

 

[Superboy]

Load of bullshit.
Seems like u are unaware of radar performance of western radars,,,specifically aesas in this area.Russia has yet to make an aesa radar thats airborne,not counting n036 which is in testing.

Even irbis-e is pesa,,pretty powerful though,no doubt.Still an inferior tech to aesas.

Russians cannot make good silicon chips comparable to the west,,,forget about west they cannot even compete with chinese in electronics now.The times have changed,galaxy s6 uses a 14 nm fabrication process and russians are still way way behind,check urself.

Russia has no AESA?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

PAK FA will be better than SU 35

 

[ali_raza]

This is where the problem is.....India runs on team work, nationalism and relationships. Pakistan, runs on ego and individualism......right here is an example. You had and still have 0 capacity to fight a war by yourself even with India, beyond a few weeks. Fighting Russia and Talibans for over decades, with a crippled system, would've destroyed your country and chopped it into pieces. This is just reality. You "HELPED" us as ally's like everyone does and there have been $ 14 billion worth of payments made for it. But you didn't "FIGHT" our wars, or even have the capacity for it.

The point I was trying to make, was a humble one. That Pakistani people should show good will towards others, even online. This leaves a pleasant view in readers minds. A nation is judged by its people and their conduct. So if you show respect and courtesy to what the US has been doing for Pakistan, slowly, slowly, a change takes place. No one said that US and Pakistan have to be best friends at all times. But it doesn't hurt to have a great relationship based on ongoing cooperation, whether one time, its the US needing it, or the second time, Pakistan needed something.

That's ALL I am saying. Just like Pakistan, Indians don't like the US too. But they will NEVER tell you openly or put it on a forum like this. Why? Because they want to show courtesy and respect to their most significant benefactor for the past two decades, and they want the relationship to continue.



Actually, I don't agree with it. And here is why. Outside of Taliban's drama, 911 attacks on the US soil, even with rocky relationships, Pakistan was considered an ally. Building nuke weapons triggered sanctions because that's the US law. But here is something for Pakistan's leadership to have thought through, but they decided to blame everything on US instead of having a fail-safe system.

Was dependence on ONE country really what another country (6th largest in population) should do? Should the US be so involved with Pakistan's affairs, that at times, their aid covers salaries of Pakistan's political and military leadership???? What you are telling me, is a "channeled" hate your rulers have installed into your system because they couldn't focus on Pakistan as a country and to establish its foreign policy, relationships and backup channels in case on country got upset (see what's happening right now, you have the US, China, Russia, Turkey, etc, working with you, no dependence on ONE country alone).

So that "channeled hate" or the "blame" came from your rulers of previous 5-60 years. They didn't do anything for Pakistan, they were totally incapable of planning for the growth of Pakistan and never executed anything. However, it was VERY easy to blame the US for ALL ILL in Pakistan, due to ongoing wars and the US's involvement, and wash their hands from their responsibilities.

Till date, that hate is in there and its systematic. Think about this, Pakistan's civilian government has taken shape, they wanted certain weapons and other things, India objected and all. Guess what happened? The US, and MANY other countries across the globe have seen potential in Pakistan, a country that has people and a growing economy.

These countries, based on mutual benefits (just future projections right now), have decided to say, we'll keep India and Pakistan separate. Remember, India, previously had successfully stopped Weapons sales from the US, France, UK and obviously Russia. Now its reversed and India has no leverage anymore. This is what happens when your system and rulers, actually build a multi-national strategy and grow a nation's potential. People start to give you respect.

I've recently heard that the US embassy in Pakistan is issuing seriously large number of tourist / visitor visas to Pakistanis. And it has never happened before. Why? Because the US wants Pakistanis to come over, see the US and what it has to offer, interact with local Americans during their visit, realize that the American public isn't against anyone from Pakistan (besides the bad guys, really small in numbers).

People to people relationships will turn into future business, friendships, investments and all. And both the nations will become closer friends. It ALL starts from small things, like what I was saying, writing cordial, courteous posts towards each other and grow that human to human mentality and relationship. At the end, people living in Pakistan and the US are PEOPLE, have jobs, businesses, kids to grow, care and provide for families, etc. When people start to meet, the barriers go away. But the good will should be shown.

cant agree more dude.ur each point has a logic .and lastly i myself have been to usa.there people are one of the best peoples.i have very great memories from america.but i must add that uneducated masses are brainwashed in pakistan.so to blame everything on Americans.and also the enimosity with india and ur friendship with india irks many here but anyway i m a open relationship guy so we need to growup.and all is well we have a long roller coaster relationship with u guys.

 

[Superboy]

PAK FA will be better than SU 35

yes PAK FA is a new design Su-35 is Su-27M

 

[he-man]

Russia has no AESA?

U are embarrassing urself dude.

This is not in production yet.

Plus they are working on a better variant called fga-29 and 35 with more t/r elements and a stacked arrangement to reduce weight.

PAK FA will be better than SU 35

Not better,way better.

Pakfa may even manage to tame f-22 due to great focus on radars.It will never match f-22 or even f-35 and j-20 in stealth though.