Mass Conversion To Christianity: A Case Study Of Chuhra Community In Sialkot District (1880- 1930)

[B.K.N]

Jats

Jat is used in meaning of kisan or peasant
no big land owner would call himself jat
but those who work in his lands would be called jat

 

[M. Sarmad]

Jat is used in meaning of kisan or peasant
no big land owner would call himself jat
but those who work in his lands would be called jat

May be in your country. But in Pakistani Punjab Jats are proud land owners

 

[B.K.N]

May be in your country. But in Pakistani Punjab Jats are proud land owners

People use there qoum like sial bhatti etc
There are different titles of these qoums or tribes like
Mahr M.Sarmad Sial or Rai M.Sarmad Bhatti
No one calls himself rajput or jat etc don't know what is rajput but jat means kisan
And I am from Pakistan

 

[Hamza913]

LOL! Why evade this simple question? It is simply a yes or no question.

Because you're not listening to what I'm saying. Prove that you will by listening to what has already been written. Otherwise, this conversation is over.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Because you're not listening to what I'm saying. Prove that you will by listening to what has already been written. Otherwise, this conversation is over.

I did listen to what you said, but should I not ask questions to you? You said you are well versed in the topic about Aryans, I watched the videos you mentioned and asked few questions. But you keep telling me they are Indo-Aryans, where is the discussion in this? lol is it that, I should accept whatever you blabber?

Neither of those videos explained anything about Gandhara, or Kashmira etc... that is why I asked you, are they Aryans and Indo-European? You keep evading that question. Even now, you don't have an answer.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

I did listen to what you said, but should I not ask questions to you? You said you are well versed in the topic about Aryans, I watched the videos you mentioned and asked few questions. But you keep telling me they are Indo-Aryans, where is the discussion in this? lol is it that, I should accept whatever you blabber?

Neither of those videos explained anything about Gandhara, or Kashmira etc... that is why I asked you, are they Aryans and Indo-European? You keep evading that question. Even now, you don't have an answer.

Why does ur airforce hid behind commercial airline?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Why did you surrender half of your country to an Indian General?

So that's ur excuse?

 

[Chhatrapati]

So that's ur excuse?

No, that's an irrelevant question I asked back at you.

 

[Hamza913]

I watched the videos

Then why are you not convinced? I don't see how your premises (assuming they're true) disprove the theory. The Indo-Europeans came in waves, and there would have been infighting between them. Many say that the Dasyu were another branch of Indo-Europeans.

Why did you surrender half of your country to an Indian General?

Why did Muslims rule over you for one thousand years?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Then why are you not convinced? I don't see how your premises (assuming they're true) disprove the theory. The Indo-Europeans came in waves, and there would have been infighting between them. Many say that the Dasyu were another branch of Indo-Europeans.

I have read far better theories than those videos which always go zig-zag over identifying Aryans. This one is no different. I'm not interested in explaining the videos word by word. But you get gist.

If Indo-Aryan came in by waves, why there are no historical accounts of it? At least not in the Vedas which is the only reliable source at that time.

You are also wrong when calling Dasyu as a branch in Indo Aryans, Dasyu or Dasa were used to describe great people as well as barbarians. Dasa just means servant in general sense.

Why did Muslims rule over you for one thousand years?

Did they? Nope, never have a Muslim ruler set foot in where I live. But let's not expand scope of discussion, I answered to an irrelevant question asked to bait. I replied it in the same manner.

 

[jamahir]

An academic exercise meant to set readers think about how and why an already marginalised community became further alienated in Pakistan. Did you bother to read the OP and my subsequent posts?

You are correct, I didn't read the entire OP or your subsequent posts.

Tell me, am I correct to presume that the Chuhras are still a marginalised community ??

 

[M. Sarmad]

Tell me, am I correct to presume that the Chuhras are still a marginalised community ??

Unfortunately, they are ...

 

[niaz]

From where did they came from

Ancestors of these people most likely belonged to lowest Hindu caste called shodar
Some of them converted to Islam and some became Christians
those who converted to Islam are called mussali and some deendar
The word chura which members here are using for them is considered a derrogatory term for them

You are correct Sir,

I was very young at the time of partition but I understand that a lot of low caste Hindus & Sikhs also converted at the time of partition to save their lives and avoid the looting of what little property they had. The converted Muslims were called Massali and those who converted to Christianity were called Chuhra or Karanta.

Even though Islam was meant to eliminate the caste system; prejudice against the poor (kammi) & the low caste is so much ingrained among the people of the sub-continent that these people; at least up to the 1970s when I was residing in Pakistan; were looked down upon. Sad but true.

 

[jamahir]

Unfortunately, they are ...

Then they require a state-sponsored positive discrimination system to give them better opportunities in life.

In recent decades in India the Mandal Commission was able to achieve some good things for the Dalits by a system called here as Reservation. But the social structure in India is still regressive and there still are incidents like Dalit school students being punished for touching the plates "reserved" for upper caste students during the mid-day meals.

And if you can, please study the tragic case of Rohith Vemula.

 

[SIPRA]

Unfortunately, they are ...

Don't you think that it is far beyond that and it is not limited only to the "Churhas" and like. A large part of our society still considers "Kammi" (Worker), a "Kameen" (Low Life), and this compound phrase " Kammi Kameen" is very commonly used, to represent these unfortunate people.