Mardan university student killed over alleged blasphemy: police

[paki_rambo]

and i laugh at your statement 'if you cant follow law of the land'. lol. tell me, how many pakistanis pay tax? less than 1%. should 99% of pakistanis leave pakistan then?

you are trying to justify a crime with another crime. so naive

 

[Reichsmarschall]

lmao then that's not really freedom is it? the only reason west is centuries ahead of us (i say centuries because we still live in 600AD) is because they had ruthless criticism on every aspect of society during their enlightenment era, with religion being the number 1 target.
and i laugh at your statement 'if you cant follow law of the land'. lol. tell me, how many pakistanis pay tax? less than 1%. should 99% of pakistanis leave pakistan then?
our entire entertainment industry is a living breathing violation of the clause regarding decency and morality mentioned in the law you quoted, should the entirey of that lot leave as well?
and what about the corrupt leaders, politicians, bureaucrats? they're following the law to the letter, arent they?
if laws are unjust and incorrect, we must fight against them. just like the founders of Pakistan fought against the british laws. or would you say the same thing to them as well? follow the law of british india or go live somewhere else? xD

this law is made by democratically elected peoples 99% people do support this law and we both know in democracy Majority is always authority
as far as MR jinnah's freedom struggle is concerned we are not living in occupied country are we??

 

[waleed3601]

Lol saying the one whose very own ideals have killed 30 million people in 39 victim nations since WW-II
very rich coming from you

what? im not a communist if thats what you're getting at lol. im a social democrat. like the western european nations sweden, netherlands etc
also, even if you consider the communist regimes they didn't kill people for not being atheist. the people mainly died out of famine, drought and the over ambitiousness of the dictators thirst for power.

 

[Awan68]

Most of these libtards dont know they are the illegitimate children of the soviet invasion into afghanistan, they wanted balochistan so they started stirring shit up by creating communist groups in pak, soviets were sent packing by us but they left behind these haram children, now the children of those haram children think they are philosophers lol....

 

[waleed3601]

this law is made by democratically elected peoples 99% people do support this law and we both know in democracy Majority is always authority
as far as MR jinnah's freedom struggle is concerned we are not living in occupied country are we??

the current form of blasphemy law was brought about by zia ul haq. very democratically elected leader, no?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

1. how is speaking against KJ execution going against the idea of Pakistan?

was he a cow vigilant who came here to save cows??

2. they were against the unjust treatment of their people at the hands of imperialist establishment. if those leaders opposed right in the beginning Pakistan wouldn't've been made. the army wanted to silence any dissent, and obviously that didnt go down well with the people who were promised freedom from chains when Pakistan was being made.

they were against creation of Pakistan from begining
btw who is your hero Jinnah or bacha khan??

3. mombatti mafia doesn't even exist. i guess the concept of candle light vigils as a peaceful means to protest and remember is too much for extremists like you too handle

I will repeat again why liberals suppot anti state element who have killed Pakistani citizens??
Why Liberals Tarek fateh,Marvi sarmad Hussain Haqqani,and Subnationalists are against the state of pakistan??

 

[M. Sarmad]

This is the result of people like Bhensa not being caught by the government under the pretext of foriegn pressure. Mob mentality takes over.

Remember the Bhawalpur incident ? In July 2012, a 2000 strong mob forcibly extracted from police custody a man accused of committing blasphemy and burnt him to death. In December same year, a similar incident happened in Dadu where a 35 year old man was beaten to death on allegations of blasphemy by a thousand strong mob after forcibly extracting him from police custody. Such incidents happen routinely in Pakistan. Many blasphemy defendants have been murdered by the public following an allegation of blasphemy, some killed before a case could have been registered against them, some in police custody and others while they were serving a prison sentence.

Mob mentality has always been there. It didn't "begin" after Bhensa fiasco. We as a nation have become insanely radicalized... We have many people here who are always ready to kill others ... And then we have those (supposedly) educated people who will go to any lengths to defend the Draconian Colonial Blasphemy Laws .... A sad state of affairs indeed

 

[Reichsmarschall]

what? im not a communist if thats what you're getting at lol. im a social democrat. like the western european nations sweden, netherlands etc

i am talking about the people killed in countries where Liberal Yankees tried to install their Democracy

 

[M. Sarmad]

groups whether leftists or rightist have always defied the idea of Pakistan

didnt bacha khan a liberal opposed the idea of Pakistan and stood with Gandhi just like those mullah. even then the mentality was different but goals were same just like now

The Communist Party of India (CPI) -- the most secular and non communal institution in South Asian polity, in fact, wholeheartedly supported the Muslim League (ML) and the Pakistan movement during 40s ... CPI not only supported the ML but also gave its own people like Sajjad Zaheer, Abdullah Malik and Daniyal Latifi to the League ... The League's entire election campaign in 1945-46 elections was stage managed in Punjab by the Communist Party of India ... And the ML manifesto for the elections was written by Daniyal Latifi (A member of CPI) ...

 

[waleed3601]

was he a cow vigilant who came here to save cows??

he was working against the state of Pakistan. a spy should be dealt with the same way any criminal should according to law. i dont see the problem here?

they were against creation of Pakistan from begining
btw who is your hero Jinnah or bacha khan??

neither are my hero. jinnah would've been, but the man had zero foresight. he knew his health was deteriorating rapidly yet did not make counter measures to ensure pakistan didn't get hijacked by the military or mullahs. he was too trusting of the people. a fatal mistake.
a real hero is mustafa kemal ataturk.

I will repeat again why liberals suppot anti state element who have killed Pakistani citizens??
Why Liberals Tarek fateh,Marvi sarmad Hussain Haqqani,and Subnationalists are against the state of pakistan??

i dont know what marvi sarmad did that is against pakistan but tarek fatah and hussain haqqani chose to bash the problem instead of try and counter to solve it. they are as fed up of radicalism as i am but difference is i choose to come to these forum to debate to help bring a fraction of sanity to anyone willing to understand while all they do is work against pakistan.

How stupid are u child, go read about the atrocities committed by stalin n lenin, people dont argue with this kid , ignore him, he has the iq of a 2 yr old n the knowledge of a jamadar...

ad hominem -> google that phrase. and i already said im not a communist.

i am talking about the people killed in countries where Liberal Yankees tried to install their Democracy

whats the point of discussing that here? i hate america from the bottom of my heart for what they're doing all over the world. leftist ideology is staunchly anti-imperialism. so if you ever meet a socialist they'll agree american govt is the shittiest thing on planet earth.

 

[The Eagle]

Mob mentality has always been there. It didn't "begin" after Bhensa fiasco.

So does the Bhensa mentality, existed since start but under different names/covers hence, the mob mentality came into being due to injustice and partiality by State against pressure from abroad. If one wants to understand without any so-called philosophy and personal satisfaction theory, can understand the same easily as none born with Mob mentality but the deliberate provocation attempts even after independence from colonial era, was well designed and injected into system that majority be provoked only for chaos and unrest in society. The law was made and approved because offense existed otherwise, it wasn't told by angels from sky to the PM/Lawmakers/Assembly to do as such but felt the need when an offense occurred. The law, you just called as draconian colonial law, is the part of Constitution of Pakistan, the same constitution that we all pledged our allegiance being citizen of Pakistan so to change that, whosoever want it, has to make it to the proper floor/law office and needs to become an authority to do it.

 

[M. Sarmad]

. The law was made and approved because offense existed otherwise, it wasn't told by angels from sky to the PM/Lawmakers/Assembly to do as such but felt the need when an offense occurred.

Get your facts straight

None of the blasphemy cases filed from 1947-1979 were related to any defilement of the Holy Quran or defamation of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) by any Muslim or non-Muslim.


Why did Zia find it necessary to enact this "new" law in the first place ?? .. Kabhi fursat milay to sauchiyay ga is pe bhi

 

[The Eagle]

Get your facts straight

None of the blasphemy cases filed from 1947-1979 were related to any defilement of the Holy Quran or defamation of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) by any Muslim or non-Muslim.


Why did Zia find it necessary to enact this "new" law in the first place ?? .. Kabhi fursat milay to sauchiyay ga is pe bhi

The mob mentality w.r.t. blasphemy was the subject for the fact that blasphemy was there too. Filing of cases wouldn't justify the point of mob mentality and blasphemy.

Don't want to derail but after Zia, someone should have change it, if wasn't correct. No.

Also, note it, there is going to be an anti-Pakistan protest in D.C within 24 hours by Ahmediya Community for Freedom of Speech. Zara sochiye ga.

 

[haviZsultan]

Hi brother eagle. I will try to respond to your post.

So does the Bhensa mentality, existed since start but under different names/covers hence, the mob mentality came into being due to injustice and partiality by State against pressure from abroad.

I agree that what Bhensa group did was wrong. You cannot play with the jazbat of people. Even worse is the fact that with such a jingoistic population which is hurt on minor things it is putting their own lives in danger. This is extremely stupid knowing what happened to even high up people like Shahbaz Bhatti and Salman Taseer. When push comes to shove there will be no one to protect bhensa people. The conservatives baying for blood and the liberals too afraid to speak up.

However that being said brother there has to be a strategy revolving around the way our prophet would have reacted. By far we all have flaws and cannot (most of us cannot) imitate the Prophet but it is our responsibility to try to be like the prophet in each way possible.

Now lets note how the Prophet behaved. When a woman who abused him, Islam and Allah and threw rubbish on him one day did not throw rubbish on him while he was passing from her home and the prophet asked about her it was known she was sick and the prophet went and enquired about her health personally.

Now if this was the example of the prophet then how can we agree that the prophet would choose to kill someone over blasphemy until he displayed highly physical confrontation. So if the prophet forgave we should too. I know its not going to be easy and we are men unlike the prophet in many ways but we should follow his example. By far, by tolerating we send a better message of Islam and its true message of peace.

Another thing to note, insulting of Jesus and other christian aspects is very common in Canada and other countries. I have seen it. Anyway what I am saying we should not insult the prophet but if someone does the method of dealing with him isn't to kill him, its to win him over, that is the best way.

If one wants to understand without any so-called philosophy and personal satisfaction theory, can understand the same easily as none born with Mob mentality but the deliberate provocation attempts even after independence from colonial era, was well designed and injected into system that majority be provoked only for chaos and unrest in society.

Brother if that majority does not get provoked so easily then a lot of the problems will cease to exist. Its the 21st century. We need to advance out of the hole we have dug ourselves into. Mob violence is never justified. There are laws for that. But even with laws in Pakistan there are lots of problems of lack of implementation and misuse as well as discriminatory laws. Muslims also insult christians and hindus. Yet there is no blasphemy case yet against a muslim for insulting hindus or christians or ahmedis or anyone else.

The law is a tool in the hands of jingoistic mullahs and terrorists. Yet we refuse to repeal it. Even though I have read 60% of the victims are muslims framed for blasphemy. Just like this case. If a law is being used to settle personal scores and is being utterly misused it is thrown away. Yet emotions are high in our country and based on that emotion it continues.

The law was made and approved because offense existed otherwise, it wasn't told by angels from sky to the PM/Lawmakers/Assembly to do as such but felt the need when an offense occurred.

As I said, tolerating even the worst insult to Islam and treating an enemy even with love and respect is how you win them. Like the prophet won Abu Sufyan. This law has nothing Islamic in it. It is based on emotion and is a law introduced by mullahs when they had power under ZAB and Zia. It should go away in my eyes. Brother, I am not supporting blasphemy, God knows that i do not support any insult to Allah or Prophet but its a tool for mullahs who want to dictate how the country should be run. It should have been scrapped long ago.

The law, you just called as draconian colonial law, is the part of Constitution of Pakistan, the same constitution that we all pledged our allegiance being citizen of Pakistan so to change that, whosoever want it, has to make it to the proper floor/law office and needs to become an authority to do it.

Brother at most times we are all forced to follow the law of the land. But saying a wrong is a wrong is basic tenet of Islam. When a law is discriminatory, as I said where is the same law for hindus and christians if their religion is insulted, we have to at least say it is wrong, it is evil, it is oppressive.

In North Korea there is a law saying only a few haircuts can exist, there is ban on tv channels, only select approved people can drive. Should we also support these laws. Its a time of freedom. Insulting religion is not good, but what is the best way to deal with such? Killing is not the solution to everything. We have to have a change in mindset and need to start winning people over with love and respect rather than baying for blood every time we are hurt.

 

[M. Sarmad]

... after Zia, someone should have change it, if wasn't correct. No.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/aami...fir-on-dawn-tribun.482800/page-2#post-9286844