March for Democracy Watch Thread

[Zabaniyah]

Bangladeshis never say Khichdi, it is always Khichuri. However, Indians do say Khichdi .........


Just saying !!

I was wondering the same....I mean, what the heck is Khichdi? LOL...

 

[Zabaniyah]

I would not be so sure, specially looking at Japan's renewed interest with India.

But regardless of reasons, the US will not push for a coup in this situation, that I agree on. May be it has very little chance to work anyways, because too many AL supporter officers from top to bottom, Indo-Awami's have worked to close this route for decades, BDR mutiny also played a big role in this effort.

The next phase? That is the big question.

Japanese officials were part of the diplomatic meeting:
http://www.thedailystar.net/newspaper/diplomats-discuss-bangladesh-situation-5276

Japan's interests with India are a different issue. And mostly concerns China.

If there is to be a coup, it must be very well planned. I do not think they'd want a bloody coup. That can send out the wrong message.

March for Democracy is a 'success' in the sense that the opposition activists now learned there is no room for peaceful protests. 18 party declared continuous blockade from 1st January. Perhaps this thread should be closed now @Loki.

Everyone saw the face of AL when those pro-BNP female lawyers were beaten up by pro-party men. Including one showing his tiny penis within the Supreme Court premises. That is the achievement. Those lawyers will be remembered for their courage, and the terrible harassment they had endured. It shows that meaningful dialogue cannot be achieved with the AL.

Looking at the broad situation among the people, there is no real traction for the current political heavy weights such as the BNP, JP and Jamaat relative to the past. Even the AL lost that traction. If an opposition movement is to be "successful", it must have support. Burning buses while passengers are on board is not the way to gain support. Such can be easily sabotaged by the AL, which did happen by the way.

There was a time when pro-hartal activists would demand that that passengers step out of the vehicle they are going to wreck. And burning, was very rare. But not anymore so.

The reason why the virtually unknown Hefazat rose so quickly was because they had support. And that terrified the ruling government. It'd terrify anyone for that matter. But, lost that support afterwards.

The reason why Mujib rose, was because he had support.

The reason why the Iranian Revolution happened was because they had support against a tyrant who used to order Haute Cuisine delivered by a Concorde. Suffice it to say, the Green Movement failed due to lack of support.

The reason why China's Cultural Revolution happened was because it had support.

The reason why America's war for independence against the British happened was because it had support.

For any movement to have face value, it must have support from the public. This pre-requisite is universal, and does not only apply to Bangladesh. Period.

Now as I said before, this "public" is weak due to their denial and allowing fear propagated by the media to dominate their minds.

There's also a lot of mistrust among the so-called "intellectuals" and "civil-societies". Usually over extremely petty things. These usually directly, or indirectly aid the AL. This mistrust has been going up since the 70's due to the malpractices of a minority of businessmen who also happen to be powerful backers of the ruling AL. The chairmen of Beximco and Jamuna are some examples. And when there's mistrust among one's own countrymen, there's no unity. These non-party high-ups are the most disappointing of all demographic segments. The biggest failure by far. And there I was supporting justice for the murdered intellectuals of 71'. But is this the way to deliver justice? A justice of cowardice? Should hear what has been going on in North South University. Utter idiocity from these those so-called "intellectuals". I did want justice, change for the better, and had faith in them. I really did. We can ask older members like @Al-zakir and @kobiraaz

In light of all this, that is where the big question mark lies - The Bangladeshi public. All demographic segments included.

Now, there may be something being hatched by the NATO bloc, perhaps a window of opportunity for the Bangladeshis. However, the determination, courage and resolve ultimately lie with the Bangladeshis. Otherwise, it'll be the same old story. A bloody coup is not exactly their cup of tea. This is no longer the 70's.

Can Bangladeshis overthrow the current government? Yes, they can. But, a movement, like any movement needs support and very importantly, unity. These are strict pre-requisites. And it can succeed no matter how many bullets those cowards fire upon them. After that, the AL along with the other traitors will go into the ashes of history.

We have started from scratch and thrived, and we'll do it again into greatness for eternity.

 

[vostok]

All of these "democratic marches", "orange revolutions", "Arab springs" and other and other - choreographed from a single center. Even the words are almost the same.
And what does the country receive in result? Economic devastation, civil war, instability, separatism.
Divide and conquer - the good old principle is still in force.

 

[Anubis]

All of these "democratic marches", "orange revolutions", "Arab springs" and other and other - choreographed from a single center. Even the words are almost the same.
And what does the country receive in result? Economic devastation, civil war, instability, separatism.
Divide and conquer - the good old principle is still in force.

Nah...we tried socialism for 5 years....it didn't work out for us....the leader ended up dead!

 

[PlanetSoldier]

All of these "democratic marches", "orange revolutions", "Arab springs" and other and other - choreographed from a single center. Even the words are almost the same.
And what does the country receive in result? Economic devastation, civil war, instability, separatism.
Divide and conquer - the good old principle is still in force.

And how about the ongoing tyranny?

Japanese officials were part of the diplomatic meeting:
http://www.thedailystar.net/newspaper/diplomats-discuss-bangladesh-situation-5276

Japan's interests with India are a different issue. And mostly concerns China.

If there is to be a coup, it must be very well planned. I do not think they'd want a bloody coup. That can send out the wrong message.



Everyone saw the face of AL when those pro-BNP female lawyers were beaten up by pro-party men. Including one showing his tiny penis within the Supreme Court premises. That is the achievement. Those lawyers will be remembered for their courage, and the terrible harassment they had endured. It shows that meaningful dialogue cannot be achieved with the AL.

Looking at the broad situation among the people, there is no real traction for the current political heavy weights such as the BNP, JP and Jamaat relative to the past. Even the AL lost that traction. If an opposition movement is to be "successful", it must have support. Burning buses while passengers are on board is not the way to gain support. Such can be easily sabotaged by the AL, which did happen by the way.

There was a time when pro-hartal activists would demand that that passengers step out of the vehicle they are going to wreck. And burning, was very rare. But not anymore so.

The reason why the virtually unknown Hefazat rose so quickly was because they had support. And that terrified the ruling government. It'd terrify anyone for that matter. But, lost that support afterwards.

The reason why Mujib rose, was because he had support.

The reason why the Iranian Revolution happened was because they had support against a tyrant who used to order Haute Cuisine delivered by a Concorde. Suffice it to say, the Green Movement failed due to lack of support.

The reason why China's Cultural Revolution happened was because it had support.

The reason why America's war for independence against the British happened was because it had support.

For any movement to have face value, it must have support from the public. This pre-requisite is universal, and does not only apply to Bangladesh. Period.

Now as I said before, this "public" is weak due to their denial and allowing fear propagated by the media to dominate their minds.

There's also a lot of mistrust among the so-called "intellectuals" and "civil-societies". Usually over extremely petty things. These usually directly, or indirectly aid the AL. This mistrust has been going up since the 70's due to the malpractices of a minority of businessmen who also happen to be powerful backers of the ruling AL. The chairmen of Beximco and Jamuna are some examples. And when there's mistrust among one's own countrymen, there's no unity. These non-party high-ups are the most disappointing of all demographic segments. The biggest failure by far. And there I was supporting justice for the murdered intellectuals of 71'. But is this the way to deliver justice? A justice of cowardice? Should hear what has been going on in North South University. Utter idiocity from these those so-called "intellectuals". I did want justice, change for the better, and had faith in them. I really did. We can ask older members like @Al-zakir and @kobiraaz

In light of all this, that is where the big question mark lies - The Bangladeshi public. All demographic segments included.

Now, there may be something being hatched by the NATO bloc, perhaps a window of opportunity for the Bangladeshis. However, the determination, courage and resolve ultimately lie with the Bangladeshis. Otherwise, it'll be the same old story. A bloody coup is not exactly their cup of tea. This is no longer the 70's.

Can Bangladeshis overthrow the current government? Yes, they can. But, a movement, like any movement needs support and very importantly, unity. These are strict pre-requisites. And it can succeed no matter how many bullets those cowards fire upon them. After that, the AL along with the other traitors will go into the ashes of history.

We have started from scratch and thrived, and we'll do it again into greatness for eternity.

Keeping everything aside people have to march on the street. Now BNP guys are looking for their lost assets on streets while chief is house arrest, other party chief is being kept in CMH and his party guys are delivering confusing statements everyday. Nothing is well coordinated...I mean people have to be on streets and that's not happening.

Another hope by army seems to me dead, so we're headed for another 5 years of BAL time which would eventually lead to somewhere that even BAL supporters won't accept.

 

[kalu_miah]

I guess we should call ourselves officially a vassal state of India, as Indian agents have won and Bangladeshi nationalists lost.

If this is an acceptable state of affairs by people of Bangladesh then why should opposition political leaders take risk and loose their lives and people like us continue complaining here online?

Face it folks Bangladesh as a country is not ready for real independence and sovereignty and deserve no better fate than being a vassal state. Before the Dec. 29 March I declared as much, I will wait till I see what happens. Now that I have seen it, I think a conclusion can be safely drawn.

All of us should just accept the reality and move on.

 

[scholseys]

4 dudes couldnt come together without getting arrested and any sort of gathering would get the police to fire live rounds. Try marching in front of live bullets. This government has been standing just on bullets and the backing of India and strong backing by India is what allows this government to fire on protestors without any hesitations

 

[Zabaniyah]

And how about the ongoing tyranny?

All tyrants fall no matter their ideology. This is recorded in history. A nation's fate is not a one-man job.

Keeping everything aside people have to march on the street. Now BNP guys are looking for their lost assets on streets while chief is house arrest, other party chief is being kept in CMH and his party guys are delivering confusing statements everyday. Nothing is well coordinated...I mean people have to be on streets and that's not happening.

Another hope by army seems to me dead, so we're headed for another 5 years of BAL time which would eventually lead to somewhere that even BAL supporters won't accept.

Yeah, they are disorganized. While living in a wrapped reality. Even while their nation is burning around them. And that is only the beginning. It can potentially get much worse.

As for BAL, Sheikh Hasina = BAL. No Hasina, the party will fight among itself and rest in pieces. Joy and others won't be able to keep the party intact. He's nothing more than a poster boy for the AL. Not much of any potential in him, and let alone support. I wouldn't worry about that retarded party in the long term. She is not going to live forever.

The army are a bunch of chakors (errand boys). Nothing more. They cook fantastic food however. In fact, I just went to an army party today. Being a mercenary or a bounty-hunter is a different thing. Not truly something for weekend soldiers.

Should the public seize that moment of opportunity, they should. If time is what they need, they can have it. I mean, who knows?

 

[Skies]

Should hear what has been going on in North South University.

what has been happening in NSU?

 

[Zabaniyah]

I guess we should call ourselves officially a vassal state of India, as Indian agents have won and Bangladeshi nationalists lost.

If this is an acceptable state of affairs by people of Bangladesh then why should opposition political leaders take risk and loose their lives and people like us continue complaining here online?

Face it folks Bangladesh as a country is not ready for real independence and sovereignty and deserve no better fate than being a vassal state. Before the Dec. 29 March I declared as much, I will wait till I see what happens. Now that I have seen it, I think a conclusion can be safely drawn.

All of us should just accept the reality and move on.

If you are a patriot, then you shouldn't abandon them

Right now, as of this moment, India's covert support for the AL is an open secret. Even among people who had no knowledge of the matter. Partly thanks to this site. Think of us as the Special Forces of the Bangladeshi media. The Elite of the Elite.

I'm sure this site would reveal the troll out of Mahfuz Anam and his kind. Even the comments displayed on their site and paper mentions India's support for the AL. TDS has a very strict and biased comment moderation policy. One commentator was thankful for India's role in 71', and expressed that Bangladeshis would be thankful for India's support for a credible election. This phenomena is very recent by the way. Yes, the media do misguide the public. And that'll change too.

All thanks to Sujatha Singh - the fat woman's big mouth proved to be an advantage.

Another character is the novice, Salman Khurshid.
“India’s understanding of Bangladesh will help U.S.” - The Hindu

Hence, I believe that we have in part helped achieve results. So I wouldn't say that this is all pointless. We have a purpose. Albeit, covert. And it is preferred that way. Non-members can still view the threads and discussions we have. Word of mouth can get around quickly along the vine in a country like Bangladesh.

They need the help they can get from overseas Bangladeshis. How they gather that resolve to defeat the shadow is their decision. All they need is time. Simply give them time. That is all I ask you.

Another thing: Modi coming to power can be a problem for Hasina. So there is a weakness. Poor timing, poor decisions by Congress.

what has been happening in NSU?

There was a lot of politics going on in there between various departments over some issues. The issues aren't known. The end result was the resignation of many professors and officials.

In light of this, there was a major reshuffle of management by the higher ups. Right now, NSU's management is very weak. They can take up to seven months just to issue an ID card. And their online registration system is full of errors and hassles.

See the result of petty feuds? They allowed their egos to undermine the strength of the institution, one of the top private universities of the nation. And look where it is now. Utter chaos.

This is exactly the kind of mentality that these so-called "intellectuals" have had an effect on Bangladesh, and what is happening now. Absolutely no unity in the midst of chaos.

 

[Skies]

We have a purpose. Albeit, covert.

what purpose? and covert ! strange I do not know that being an old member here.


@ topic

Our media = successfully disseminate BAL propagandas, so people are mostly clueless and confused.
-remedy = expose the media
Our police, RAB, BGB, Army = Backup BAL, so the patriots are suppressed in fear.
-remedy = protest them, resist them, hate them.
Our people = do not feel the necessity to ask the question "why and how and who are the beneficiary", and do not feel the necessity to verify facts considering other sides/sources.
-remedy= teach them to do not believe in anything without making sense and reasoning, I mean, rice can not be 10 taka KG, and you cannot become Singapore just from transit and ports, so do not believe such things.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Another one:
India pressures US about Bangladesh

what purpose? and covert ! strange I do not know that being an old member here.

I mean, Bangladesh Defense isn't 'loud' as one of those Facebook pages

And purpose, as in disseminating information. We could say that we are unconventional and unique to a degree.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@ topic

Our media = successfully disseminate BAL propagandas, so people are mostly clueless and confused.
remedy = expose the media

Just look at the link I gave. It is from the Daily Star, and a series of recorded events. What was hidden underneath for years what we've been discussing had come true in spite of all the threats and abuses from our dear Indian members to reinforce their denial.

And we will continue to do so no matter what they say or do. That is our purpose. All they need is time.

 

[Skies]

Another one:
India pressures US about Bangladesh



I mean, Bangladesh Defense isn't 'loud' as one of those Facebook pages

And purpose, as in disseminating information. We could say that we are unconventional and unique to a degree.

Yes we do healthy discussion here, back our claim with reference and source, and follow a logical method of argument,....... member here cannot be fooled easily, member are generally well aware and educated here, and have more interactions with the members of other countries unlike a simple Bangladeshi who only read local newspaper and watch local tv news.

Just look at the link I gave. It is from the Daily Star, and a series of recorded events. What was hidden underneath for years what we've been discussing had come true in spite of all the threats and abuses from our dear Indian members to reinforce their denial.

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exactly, how would an Indian know about a BD THAN A Bangladeshi here, lol

 

[Anubis]

Yes we do healthy discussion here, back our claim with reference and source, and follow a logical method of argument,....... member here cannot be fooled easily, member are generally well aware and educated here, and have more interactions with the members of other countries unlike a simple Bangladeshi who only read local newspaper and watch local tv news.



exactly, how would an Indian know about a BD THAN A Bangladeshi here, lol

Indians are not the problem...Gopalis are!