Mao Zedong vs Chiang Kai-Shek

[ChineseTiger1986]

Spoiler: the CCP’s fear of the KMT-US alliance and naval threat compelled China to finally ratify UNCLOS. In other words, the PRC was willing to compromise its SCS and ECS territoial claims due to this fear. Today, we can see the results and outcome of this folly and short-sightedness.

Not really, KMT and the US were already allies since 1945. KMT got their a$$ kicked into that tiny island, period.

 

[William Hung]

Not really, KMT and the US were already allies since 1945. KMT got their a$$ kicked into that tiny island, period.

Just do your homework on the period and events that happened prior to when China ratified UNCLOS in 1996, and do take notice on what China emphasized when it ratified UNCLOS. That’s all I have to say.

 

[Dungeness]

I will not choose Mao and Chiang. I choose Deng better.

Deng built his legacy on the foundation that Mao laid. He could have never been as successful if he were in India.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@Mugwop firstly, thank you for tagging, my Pak brother.

Both played a role. Both ended up serving the Dragon! Despite their egos and major flaws..

Having said that the Nationalists were far more into the Western camp than it was wise for the Chinese interests. They became unwitting tool of western imperial intentios on China and reamined so till today.

That I percieve as unwise...to put it kindly.

Mao made many mistakes...some I personally find tragic for the Chinese Civilisation. However, he made China stand up. So he served China well in this regard.

But I choose to see from a different perspective, as I do not live in China. Would love to live and teach there one day.

In my views when the Civilisation seeks its rebirth many forces come into play. This is a mysterious process and dialitics are metaphysical..yes, the Tao moved and is moving the Dragon.

CCP is the best choice for China. Otherwise, we would still have a divided and weak China on its knees.

For a strong and profound ciricle you need a strong centre.

If one day I have time I will put together my thesis of Rebirth of China from the Taoist perspective.

What matters now most is what we do NOW.

How we go forward.

What kind of dialectics we choose.

OBOR of which CPEC is flagship component..along with Win-Win paradigm for the global governance architecture...finally peace and progress in Asia..Chinese leadership of Eurasian space and beyond.

Our discourse needs to evolve..towards these subjects.

Peaceful reuninfication of TW and integeraton of HK are critical matters. There are too many collaborators in these two Chinese territories. I find it very sad sight.

So there is no 1 vs 1..in my views. I take a Civilisational view of China rather than personalities.

 

[Mugwop]

And that is exactly why the CCP won. The CCP had the support of the common people, while the KMT had all the latest weapon systems and financing from the West.

KMT fans claim they did all the fighting while Mao took the credit

@Mugwop firstly, thank you for tagging, my Pak brother.

Both played a role. Both ended up serving the Dragon! Despite their egos and major flaws..

Having said that the Nationalists were far more into the Western camp than it was wise for the Chinese interests. They became unwitting tool of western imperial intentios on China and reamined so till today.

That I percieve as unwise...to put it kindly.

Mao made many mistakes...some I personally find tragic for the Chinese Civilisation. However, he made China stand up. So he served China well in this regard.

But I choose to see from a different perspective, as I do not live in China. Would love to live and teach there one day.

In my views when the Civilisation seeks its rebirth many forces come into play. This is a mysterious process and dialitics are metaphysical..yes, the Tao moved and is moving the Dragon.

CCP is the best choice for China. Otherwise, we would still have a divided and weak China on its knees.

For a strong and profound ciricle you need a strong centre.

If one day I have time I will put together my thesis of Rebirth of China from the Taoist perspective.

What matters now most is what we do NOW.

How we go forward.

What kind of dialectics we choose.

OBOR of which CPEC is flagship component..along with Win-Win paradigm for the global governance architecture...finally peace and progress in Asia..Chinese leadership of Eurasian space and beyond.

Our discourse needs to evolve..towards these subjects.

Peaceful reuninfication of TW and integeraton of HK are critical matters. There are too many collaborators in these two Chinese territories. I find it very sad sight.

So there is no 1 vs 1..in my views. I take a Civilisational view of China rather than personalities.

No problem,I will make more threads about Chinese history,politics and tag you in them, My previous ones are lost due to attacks on this forum. Btw that is me in my DP,I am a sister not a brother.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Just do your homework on the period and events that happened prior to when China ratified UNCLOS in 1996, and do take notice on what China emphasized when it ratified UNCLOS. That’s all I have to say.

Who gives a sh1t about Lee?

This guy is a traitor, and his only dream is to serve for the Imperial Japan. All Chinese knows it.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

KMT fans claim they did all the fighting while Mao took the credit


No problem,I will make more threads about Chinese history,politics and tag you in them, My previous ones are lost due to attacks on this forum. Btw that is me in my DP,I am a sister not a brother.

Bless you, my wise, intelligent sister!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

KMT fans claim they did all the fighting while Mao took the credit


No problem,I will make more threads about Chinese history,politics and tag you in them, My previous ones are lost due to attacks on this forum. Btw that is me in my DP,I am a sister not a brother.

The KMT fans are now gradually becoming marginalized in the Chinese society.

Most Chinese have been educated and seen the truth about the real KMT; what a piece of farce they were/are/will always be.

Most CPC soldiers were fighting under the banner of the ROC, and Chiang used other factions of KMT as the cannon fodder, while he preserved the power of his own faction.

There are many CPC sympathizers among other non-Chiang KMT factions, and Chiang persecuted them brutally, even their family members weren't spared.

Chiang's KMT faction had dug their own grave, even other KMT factions were rising up against them at the end.

 

[Mugwop]

KMT were made by a bunch of white Christian wannabes, and they will definitely act very hostile toward Muslims and other people from the developing nations, but they are always the champion to lick their white masters.

KMT fanboys do behave like that on the internet but chiang kai shek was pro muslim since they declared jihad against russians and japanese.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

KMT fanboys do behave like that on the internet but chiang kai shek was pro muslim since they declared jihad against russians and japanese.

Chiang was a baptized Christian because of his pro-West wife.

He got a few Muslim Generals, but it is hard to believe he would fight on their behalf like that.

 

[William Hung]

@Mugwop firstly, thank you for tagging, my Pak brother.

Both played a role. Both ended up serving the Dragon! Despite their egos and major flaws..

Having said that the Nationalists were far more into the Western camp than it was wise for the Chinese interests. They became unwitting tool of western imperial intentios on China and reamined so till today.

That I percieve as unwise...to put it kindly.

Mao made many mistakes...some I personally find tragic for the Chinese Civilisation. However, he made China stand up. So he served China well in this regard.

But I choose to see from a different perspective, as I do not live in China. Would love to live and teach there one day.

In my views when the Civilisation seeks its rebirth many forces come into play. This is a mysterious process and dialitics are metaphysical..yes, the Tao moved and is moving the Dragon.

CCP is the best choice for China. Otherwise, we would still have a divided and weak China on its knees.

For a strong and profound ciricle you need a strong centre.

If one day I have time I will put together my thesis of Rebirth of China from the Taoist perspective.

What matters now most is what we do NOW.

How we go forward.

What kind of dialectics we choose.

OBOR of which CPEC is flagship component..along with Win-Win paradigm for the global governance architecture...finally peace and progress in Asia..Chinese leadership of Eurasian space and beyond.

Our discourse needs to evolve..towards these subjects.

Peaceful reuninfication of TW and integeraton of HK are critical matters. There are too many collaborators in these two Chinese territories. I find it very sad sight.

So there is no 1 vs 1..in my views. I take a Civilisational view of China rather than personalities.

Bro! I think we share the same view and same mind. I too am more interested in looking at things from a civilisational vantage point, not just China but also Asia as a whole. I too see/wish to see China as an ally and partner for all of asia but people don’t seem to see this broader picture...their narrow-mindedness interpret snippets of my comments as anti?

But looking deeper behind each meta-theory and meta-physical phenomena, I think me you share the same vision!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Bro! I think we share the same view and same mind. I too am more interested in looking at things from a civilisational vantage point, not just China but also Asia as a whole. I too see/wish to see China as an ally and partner for all of asia but people don’t seem to see this broader picture...their narrow-mindedness interpret snippets of my comments as anti?

But looking deeper behind each meta-theory and meta-physical phenomena, I think me you share the same vision!

Of course, KMT would be a long term ally for the US, because they will always remain weak and incompetent, therefore they will never pose a challenge to the US hegemony.

This is what you Vietnamese are dying to see a sick man China, but it is NOT going to happen in the real life.

 

[William Hung]

Of course, KMT would be a long term ally for the US, because they will always remain weak and incompetent, therefore they will never pose a challenge to the US hegemony.

This is what you Vietnamese are dying to see a sick man China, but it is NOT going to happen in the real life.

As I have just said, you have failed to see the broader implications from my comments, wrongly concluding that I’m anti-this or anti-that.

If you can manage to view things from a meta-political paradigm, you will see I hold no such views against China. In fact, such views that you have speculated are too narrow and trivial for my taste.

Just a minor note, while SinoPakfriend seem to view things from a Taoist paradigm, I do it from a more Buddhist paradigm, or am I?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As I have just said, you have failed to see the broader implications from my comments, wrongly concluding that I’m anti-this or anti-that.

If you can manage to view things from a meta-political paradigm, you will see I hold no such views against China. In fact, such views that you have speculated are too narrow and trivial for my taste.

Just a minor note, while SinoPakfriend seem to view things from a Taoist paradigm, I do it from a more Buddhist paradigm, or am I?

You are a well known anti-China troll here, Black Flag.

Your real motivation always got nailed and exposed by the Chinese members, that's why you hate us gut.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

You are a well known anti-China troll here, Black Flag.

Your real motivation always got nailed and exposed by the Chinese members, that's why you hate us gut.

That is why my brother, I replied to the original poster in the manner I did.... as I rightfully feared that the troublemakers and China haters will used such comparisons to attack again.

We all know in detail who did what and when...

But what matters that China is where China is today...and most important of all is the fact that the Dragon has a date with Destiny...and China will show Virtue and finish the job.

The goal is to become a developed country in the foreseeable future..improve the lives of the Chinese citizen through science, technology and economic development.

The rest is all distraction and not worth our time.

Chinese Communist Party has served and is going to serve China and all Chinese for a long time to come.

The reunification of TW with the motherland would have happened a long time ago had it not been for the known traitors and collaborators...

Patience is Virtue. Time is on China's side.

First the consildation of the Chinese waters and then the return of the Chinese lands under occupation...