Mao Zedong vs Chiang Kai-Shek

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lin will be like Mao, both of them brilliant military strategist but failure when comes to economy. Both firmly believe collective farming and centralize industries.

Jiang was initially like Deng trying to act peaceful to west but when Taiwan crisis in 1996 started he was forced by American to act.

Lin was more economic than Mao, he suggested that Mao should stop the cultural revolution and started to pick on the economy. Meanwhile, he was much more pro-military industrial complex than both Liu and Deng.

I don't think Mao was really that power hungry, since none of his kids became rich. He was just too idealistic sometimes, too much idealism can also cause harm.

Jiang already picked the military when he came to power, but the 1996 crisis had given him even a bigger push. Since he is engineer, he also prefers to make over to buy.

Deng was super naive for trusting McDonnel Douglas to give China the aviation technology by setting its production line in China. The US first fooled him to dismantle Y-10, then McDonnel Douglas had breached the contract, because they got acquired by Boeing.

 

[Beast]

We cannot develop our military power with bare hand.
Our military power was lagged behin west a lot.

Yup. When sino vietnam war started, Deng inherit the weapon started by Mao and couldnt fight that effective against the NV. Mao also lack the vision of a blue navy and end up PLAN having many useless small missile boat but lacking of blue navy destroyer and huge transporter. We could have take over all Spratly island from south vietnam regime when they collpase in 1975 but lack of big ship prevented that. Again Maos failure.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We cannot develop our military power with bare hand.
Our military power was lagged behin west a lot.

At least he should keep the production line.

China as a country with a billion people could definitely afford to keep that.

That was obviously a big blunder of his policy.

 

[Beast]

Lin was more economic than Mao, he suggested that Mao should stop the cultural revolution and started to pick on the economy. Meanwhile, he was much more pro-military industrial complex than both Liu and Deng.

I don't think Mao was really that power hungry, since none of his kids became rich. He was just too idealistic sometimes, too much idealism can also cause harm.

Jiang already picked the military when he came to power, but the 1996 crisis had given him even a bigger push. Since he is engineer, he also prefers to make over to buy.

Deng was super naive for trusting McDonnel Douglas would give China the aviation technology by setting its production line in China. The US first fooled him to dismantle Y-10, then McDonnel Douglas had breached the contract, because they got acquired by Boeing.

Lin was in fact super supportive of cultural revolution and everything for Mao was planned by Lin. Except it grew too big and Mao was suspicious of his ambition. I doubt Lin know anything in industries planning,

Deng has to make choice in economic development. Our economy was so low that time, sacrifice needs to be make.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yup. When sino vietnam war started, Deng inherit the weapon started by Mao and couldnt fight that effective against the NV. Mao also lack the vision of a blue navy and end up PLAN having many useless small missile boat but lacking of blue navy destroyer and huge transporter. We could have take over all Spratly island from south vietnam regime when they collpase in 1975 but lack of big ship prevented that. Again Maos failure.

Mao wanted to build the nuclear sub, he once said that "we have to build our own nuclear subs even it costs 10,000 years to build".

During his reign, the nuclear sub was much more viable than the aircraft carrier for China.

Thanked to Mao, we mastered the technology of the H-bomb/ICBM/nuclear sub very earlier, and the nuclear sub was later saved by Jiang.

Lin was in fact super supportive of cultural revolution and everything for Mao was planned by Lin. Except it grew too big and Mao was suspicious of his ambition. I doubt Lin know anything in industries planning,

Deng has to make choice in economic development. Our economy was so low that time, sacrifice needs to be make.

Lin's cultural revolution plan was to kick Liu out, but Mao wanted to prolong it longer.

But not all cultural revolution things were bad. If without the cultural revolution, China could end up the same fate with the USSR.

 

[Kyle Sun]

At least he should keep the production line.

China as a country with a billion people could definitely afford to keep that.

That was obviously a big blunder of his policy.

Our eco was not able to support so giant system.
On the other hand CCP made such policy base on estimation that sino-us or sino-ru would not have war.

 

[Beast]

Mao wanted to build the nuclear sub, he once said that "we have to build our own nuclear subs even it costs 10,000 years to build".

During his reign, the nuclear sub was much more viable than the aircraft carrier for China.

Thanked, we mastered the technology of the H-bomb/ICBM/nuclear sub very earlier, and the nuclear sub was later saved by Jiang.

Yes, but his emphasize of many small missile craft at the expense of larger surface ship caused all the spratly island problem now. PLAN lack big surface ship in the 70s. Spratly island issue could have be solved. At least Deng restart the destroyer buidling plan. in 1974, PLAN is lucky to beat South vietnam Navy with small boat. But in 1988, Deng new destroyer decimate the NV navy boat.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yup. When sino vietnam war started, Deng inherit the weapon started by Mao and couldnt fight that effective against the NV. Mao also lack the vision of a blue navy and end up PLAN having many useless small missile boat but lacking of blue navy destroyer and huge transporter. We could have take over all Spratly island from south vietnam regime when they collpase in 1975 but lack of big ship prevented that. Again Maos failure.

It wasn't really Mao's failure.

During that time, to take back Xisha was really the maximum capability for the PLAN, and Nansha was really out of our reach.

BTW, Deng could have taken back Nansha if it wasn't 1989. That event had impeded his plan.

However, those pro-West liberals were unleashed by him in order to oust Mao's influence, but thing got out of control, those pro-West liberals even wanted to overthrow him at the end. So Deng had eventually redeemed himself by destroying those pro-West liberals with his own bare hands.

Our eco was not able to support so giant system.
On the other hand CCP made such policy base on estimation that sino-us or sino-ru would not have war.

It was just Deng's excuse to destroy any legacy that had related to the gang of four.

Yes, but his emphasize of many small missile craft at the expense of larger surface ship caused all the spratly island problem now. PLAN lack big surface ship in the 70s. Spratly island issue could have be solved. At least Deng restart the destroyer buidling plan. in 1974, PLAN is lucky to beat South vietnam Navy with small boat. But in 1988, Deng new destroyer decimate the NV navy boat.

The Type 052 was Deng's legacy, since the US used to sell us LM-2500 prior to 1989.

However, we didn't learn anything from it, and the QC-280 was derived from the GT-25000.

Jiang and Li administration was responsible for acquiring those Soviet experts.

Since Russia was in deep political turmoil back in the 1990s, many Soviet scientists had fled to the US, some of them who couldn't find a way to the West had arrived to China. It was Jiang and Li who escorted those Soviet scientists and assured that they can work properly in China.

 

[Jlaw]

Both were great leaders of Chinese history. The west does not know the full story of both leaders, praising one and demonizing the other. But both did their part to defeat the Japanese in ww2. Both deserve credit for modern China.

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[ChineseTiger1986]

Both were great leaders of Chinese history. The west does not know the full story of both leaders, praising one and demonizing the other. But both did their part to defeat the Japanese in ww2. Both deserve credit for modern China.

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You mean Mao and Deng? Chiang was just a piece of garbage.

 

[William Hung]

Today, everything is becoming different. By merely a decade, China has grown several fold stronger, China can easily take on Taiwan militarily in a blink of an eye without fearing any consequence.

By 2020, China will officially bring Taiwan back into its de facto controlled map, and we don't need any of those KMT piece of sh1t.

That is your expectation, but reality is different.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That is your expectation, but reality is different.

No matter how you dislike, China is that strong in the reality.

I know you prefer China to stick with KMT, so it would be come a lot weaker, but it won't happen like your wishful dream.

 

[William Hung]

Unfortunately,KMT has proved that they can't master Taiwan.
Without Taiwan,what can KMT say on the negotiating table?
BFF?Honestly,KMT in Taiwan even have no value to be a puppet. (I don't mean KMT in China)
There is no political correct,rubbish party should be swept into dustbin.
Otherwise,they will make more fatal mistaken.

The funny thing is that, even now KMT has lost most power in Taiwan, the CCP is still going to woo them and solicit help from the KMT soon, and I mean in the next few uears or even as earliest as in the next few months. As I have told chinesetiger86, no need for you to believe me, I’m just writing it here now, so when such news emerge, imma post it here to show how short-sighted and uninformed you are.

No matter how you dislike, China is that strong in the reality.

I know you prefer China to stick with KMT, so it would be come a lot weaker, but it won't happen like your wishful dream.

You don’t know VN history...VN and the VCP leaders had always been more warry of the KMT than the CCP.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don’t know VN history...VN and the VCP leaders had always been more warry of the KMT than the CCP.

KMT is weak, they are harmless to everyone.

They are good at claiming the territory on the map, but in the reality they can't do jacksh1t.

 

[William Hung]

KMT is weak, they are harmless to anyone.

They are good at claiming the territory on the map, but in the reality they can't do jacksh1t.

You can say whatever you want on the internet.

Speaking of territorial claims, let me tell you something that you might not know about:

Why did the PRC ratify UNCLOS? It wasn’t for the SCS or ECS. On the contratry, ratifying UNCLOS is actually demerital to China’s SCS territorial claims, and even made China’s SCS and ECS inconsistent. The main reason for China’s decision to finally ratify UNCLOS is actually Taiwan, or more specifically, the KMT under lee tang-hui who was running for presidency in 1996. Do some homework, what year did China finally decided to ratify UNCLOS? And what event, or serie of events preceeded that ratification? Spoiler: the CCP’s fear of the KMT-US alliance and naval threat compelled China to finally ratify UNCLOS. In other words, the PRC was willing to compromise its SCS and ECS territoial claims due to this fear. Today, we can see the results and outcome of this folly and short-sightedness.