Mamata suggests Dhaka to forget Teesta water

[Species]

Firstly, I never said that Bangladesh is a threat to us. Secondly, the issue you mentioned about North East insurgency is correct. But look at the context, things changed only when your government changed. Under Khaleda Zia those same groups found shelter in Bangladesh.

About tariff barriers, yes, Indian government could concede that to BD. But again, what do we get in return? Because BD will be the net beneficiary of removing tariffs. While that is not a problem, but surely, you do realize that asking that our next door neighbor does not have defence deals with a country that is a threat to us is not expecting too much?

I don't think anyone should have a problem conceding these things to BD, international relations are about give-and-take. But what will you give in return, if you cannot give the only thing that works for India?



IMO, this is the operative part. Sheikh Hasina is probably the best friend India has had as far as a foreign head of state is concerned. But Bangladeshi goodwill should not be contingent on her. The BD-China defence agreement was signed when Khaleda Zia was PM. She is no friend to India. What is the point of making concessions if there is no guarantee of consistency in relations?

See, even here, you are not agreeing to reciprocate despite what we have done for you. What have we got from India after solving the Northeast insurgencies and providing transit facilities?

Defence deals are separate things. We buy defence equipment from China because they provide them at cheaper price without compromising the quality. As a sovereign country, this is our own issue and India has no right to tell us what should we do. In that case, we can also ask why India is building the Sagar island naval base? Why such large Indian naval assets in Bay of Bengal?

In fact, the moment we bought submarines, India supplied ASW torpedoes to Myanmar. So India obviously is trying to send a message. We can't sit idle in that case.

 

[livingdead]

I am with crazy mamata on this... she is elected CM of WB, answerable to her people in WB, and has every right to drive a bargain with delhi and dhaka... why should she let delhi play games with water resources to buy favor from another country..
we can have other quid-pro-quo gestures that favours bd.. in return for what they did for us(but less permanent that signing a deal that is unfair to our people). Nothing stops bd from seeking international arbitration, and we will abide by it.

 

[Mo12]

BD also has potential to increase export to China than India, also China may relocate its sunset industries to BD which is not possible in case of India.
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lol are u crazy? China is battering every nation in the world in export/import market and u think Bangladesh can favour from this?

 

[Jacob Martin]

See, even here, you are not agreeing to reciprocate despite what we have done for you. What have we got from India after solving the Northeast insurgencies and providing transit facilities?

Defence deals are separate things. We buy defence equipment from China because they provide them at cheaper price without compromising the quality. As a sovereign country, this is our own issue and India has no right to tell us what should we do. In that case, we can also ask why India is building the Sagar island naval base? Why such large Indian naval assets in Bay of Bengal?

In fact, the moment we bought submarines, India supplied ASW torpedoes to Myanmar. So India obviously is trying to send a message. We can't sit idle in that case.

Sure. Indian government should reduce tariffs, sign the Teesta agreement, and applaud your development in general. But only once there is a movement towards keeping China out of defence deals. That is non-negotiable. You seem to have a particular worldview where BAD is free to pursue its sovereign interests without any care as to what is India's concern, and we have to respond to that by rewarding you for it. What are the chances of that happening?

And about the submarines and torpedoes, you talk of it as if BD-Myanmar are about to go to war. Their relations are better than most countries. Also, BD is in any case about to sign a comprehensive defence agreement with India. That should help in any future hostilities that may emerge.

But all of that is conjecture. Bottom line today is that Bangladeshi entanglement with China is disturbing for us and if BD views it as a matter of sovereignty then in that case a nations are sovereign and free to do as they please, including India about Teesta water.

 

[Species]

Sure. Indian government should reduce tariffs, sign the Teesta agreement, and applaud your development in general. But only once there is a movement towards keeping China out of defence deals. That is non-negotiable. You seem to have a particular worldview where BAD is free to pursue its sovereign interests without any care as to what is India's concern, and we have to respond to that by rewarding you for it. What are the chances of that happening?

And about the submarines and torpedoes, you talk of it as if BD-Myanmar are about to go to war. Their relations are better than most countries. Also, BD is in any case about to sign a comprehensive defence agreement with India. That should help in any future hostilities that may emerge.

But all of that is conjecture. Bottom line today is that Bangladeshi entanglement with China is disturbing for us and if BD views it as a matter of sovereignty then in that case a nations are sovereign and free to do as they please, including India about Teesta water.

Thanks, you have pretty much clarified it. From now on, I think our govt. should revisit the policies of providing transit facilities and dealing with the Northeast insurgency issues, since these have been pretty much a one-sided trade where only Bangladesh has favored India but got nothing in return. In fact, from now on we should first ask for the implementation of our demands before giving any freebies to India. Let you deal with your issues and let us deal with ours.

And yes, under these circumstances, China is the way to go for us. Call it blackmail or anything, we are not getting anything from India anyway.

And obviously, our military will keep being modernized as per our needs

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This water blackmail will only stop when China itself dams the rivers upstream in their source in Tibet. We should focus on that and side with China - rather than begging for handouts, like we have been, for the last four decades.

Time for these games is over. Playing nicety-nice never got anyone anything.

OMG!!! Kudos Kardeshim!!! I haven't expected that from BD!!!!!

 

[Bilal9]

Best of luck with that approach. Decades later, when BD is being Balkanized and is a proxy playground for Indo-China conflict, you will realize. India and China will never fight a war directly again. However, anyone who gets involved will beat the consequences. More terror attacks, less breathing space for secularists, and eventually Talibanization of BD.

Ha ha ha

I think we have talibans, pseudo-talibans and talibans of all stripes well-covered. It may alarm people in other countries - but not here. We gave a lot of blood to preserve our language - and compared to that, dealing with extremists is chump change.

Ours is a very active country when it comes to dealing with extremists. We don't take three days to plan and deal with them. They are dealt with quickly as our para-commando forces are ready-to-go within hours with pre-tested and practiced contingency plans. Other military members here will know more about our three or more levels of paramilitary organizations who deal with terrorists/extremists. And we have more experience in this area too - so far.

And talking about proxy-wars, it can be fought on both sides as far as destabilization. Payback is a witch. Politicos in your country know well how pointless it is.

The more China will dam, the more India will dam and we will transfer the liability of the issue on China.
Only solution for Bangladesh is to break any strategic tie with China and make India happy.
Convincing Mamata is not so easy task for Bangladesh, even Modi fails here.

We will simply deal with Modi and his successors.

Mamata is a Chief Minister only - what say-so does she have in International affairs? What she is doing is both unreasonable and short-sighted. Her administration will implode in time (with the lackluster performance of the WB economy and popular discontent there) and we have the luxury of time to wait. Only Hasina attaches importance to Mamata, but that goodwill I think completely ran out this time around. No one in Bangladesh believes we should cosset this Mamata woman for whatever reason.....she is essentially a nobody who thinks she is somebody.

If WB was a country it would have already collapsed. The only reason Kolkata and WB survives is by transferring the lack-of-jobs and over-population to other wealthy Southern/Western/Northern states in India like Maharashtra, Gujarat, Hyderabad, Telengana Karnataka and Haryana.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Ha ha ha

I think we have talibans, pseudo-talibans and talibans of all stripes well-covered. It may alarm people in other countries - but not here. We gave a lot of blood to preserve our language - and compared to that, dealing with extremists is chump change.

Ours is a very active country when it comes to dealing with extremists. We don't take three days to plan and deal with them. They are dealt with quickly as our para-commando forces are ready-to-go within hours with pre-tested and practiced contingency plans. Other military members here will know more about our three or more levels of paramilitary organizations who deal with terrorists/extremists. And we have more experience in this area too - so far.

And talking about proxy-wars, it can be fought on both sides as far as destabilization. Payback is a witch. Politicos in your country know well how pointless it is.



We will simply deal with Modi and his successors.

Mamata is a Chief Minister only - what say so does she have in International affairs? What she is doing is unreasonable and short-sighted. Her administration will implode in time (with the lackluster performance of the WB economy and popular discontent there) and we have the luxury of time to wait. Only Hasina attaches importance to Mamata, but that goodwill I think completely ran out this time around. No one in Bangladesh believes we should cosset this woman for whatever reason.....she is essentially a nobody.

If WB was a country it would have already collapsed. The only reason Kolkata and WB survives is by transferring the lack-of-jobs and over-population to other wealthy Southern/Western/Northern states in India like Maharashtra, Gujarat, Hyderabad, Telengana Karnataka and Haryana.

Welcome to the real world!!! I have looked at BD map and surrounding geography. IMO, you need ultra-modern ABM and long range SAM systems both at the land and the sea, so that you can check out 100s of Kms inside your neighbors. And, the way your economy's going you'll be ale to afford it Insha'Allah. My get feelings is that lots of Turkish systems have the potential to make their way to BD especially land/air/sea based multi layered net-centric defense, and missiles/SOM/torpedoes etc. And, who knows may be MILDEN (national submarine), MILGEM (national ship) etc. too...

 

[My-Analogous]

Well, excuse you.

Of the Teesta’s catchment area, 83 percent lies in India; the remaining 17 percent is in Bangladesh.

Bangladesh’s external dependency for water is over 90 percent, be glad that we are giving you the already exorbitant amount.

http://www.orfonline.org/research/teesta-water-dispute/

Why you guys always quote Indian source? why not independent source (this is off topic question)

The suspicion of being Jamaatis is always there. Especially when irrational hatred towards India is shown. But there are good BD members on PDF as well. And allowing those who distort facts to control the narrative is not on.

Ironically, these Jamaatis who are railing against India right now will have the most issues with increased Chinese presence in BD. Those who are blowing up Chinese workers in Pakistan are their ideological brothers. That's the thing about irrational hatred.

What ever, it is not India business to discuss BD internal matters and use it for her benefits. Focus on India Bangladesh issues.

 

[Bilal9]

Welcome to the real world!!! I have looked at BD map and surrounding geography. IMO, you need ultra-modern ABM and long range SAM systems both at the land and the sea, so that you can check out 100s of Kms inside your neighbors. And, the way your economy's going you'll be ale to afford it Insha'Allah. My get feelings is that lots of Turkish systems have the potential to make their way to BD especially land/air/sea based multi layered net-centric defense, and missiles/SOM/torpedoes etc. And, who knows may be MILDEN (national submarine), MILGEM (national ship) etc. too...

Insha-Allah brother! Both Milden and MILGEM as well as a multi layered net-centric defense command/control system will be in serious consideration in due time.

 

[l0st]

Welcome to the real world!!! I have looked at BD map and surrounding geography. IMO, you need ultra-modern ABM and long range SAM systems both at the land and the sea, so that you can check out 100s of Kms inside your neighbors. And, the way your economy's going you'll be ale to afford it Insha'Allah. My get feelings is that lots of Turkish systems have the potential to make their way to BD especially land/air/sea based multi layered net-centric defense, and missiles/SOM/torpedoes etc. And, who knows may be MILDEN (national submarine), MILGEM (national ship) etc. too...

Lol few days back u were abusing Bangladesh & Bangladeshi because they protest against Pakistan I guess ... Haha u ppl r .....

 

[Skies]

who cares what bangledesh wants? We are in the position of power and we will not sign any deal that limits our water allocation. If you're thirsty, ask your government to build a dam.

Agree.... might is right.... BD should be mighty enough to do not care India....

I would like to mock at those who thought BD will anything get from India.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Insha-Allah brother! Both Milden and MILGEM as well as a multi layered net-centric defense command/control system will be in serious consideration in due time.

A country with 160m mostly young folks is subjected to some archaic relationship forever!!!! Kargalar bile guler - even crows will laugh!! Off course BD isn't without options, and the recent good-cop/bad-cop game from India must be quite a wake-up call for her....

 

[Mage]

China and Bangladesh have a defence cooperation agreement. China supplies weapons to BD military. China is funding the Sonadia deep sea port. These are not welcome moves.

As for Mamata, unfortunately she is not going anywhere in a hurry. If you understand politics of West Bengal you will know that she will be in power for a while. And the way things are going, if Chinese involvement increases even more then Indian government itself will back out of the deal. After all it is leverage.

This kind of cooperation will continue and even increase in the future. These may not be welcome moves to you but that's your problem. Without Teesta deal our relation will eventually turn unfriendly. And when it does and if we have a bigger economy and a stronger military then, we will be in a position to stop the transits to your NE and isolate that place. We can also fuel insurgencies there. India already have enough unfriendly neighbours I thought. But if they want another one, they will get it. We want friendly relation with every nation. But it cannot be this one sided.

 

[Super Falcon]

Bangladesh has been sold to India even a chief minister of Indian state threatening Bangla water treaty