Malicious campaign against Pakistan Army

[abdullah0001]

We have far more thicker skin than portrayed by few hyper sensitive ex gens

 

[Gunsnroses]

and finally PTI'ers resort to name calling when they have nothing useful to say, like they say you always follow a leader who closely resembles your personality, leader doesnt know how to talk nor does followers.

Name calling? No this is fact. Check my other posts out. I have always supported the cause no matters who is going for it. If it was NS in the shoes of IK or Qadri, I would have gladly raised my voice for him. I have strong reservations about the protest and where this protest heading to. But look at the all-knowing pharoahic attitude of NS supporters, even Etizaz Ahsan said so. Both NS and supporters denying everything from start to end. Straight away they are "liars". 14 corpses were not able to soften their heart. Now don't come up with FIR has been lodged. It was lodged due to the pressure and was even manipulted initially then later corrected. That's why I call them blind and dumb followers. ARY not ARY....truth will remain there. For your sake, say 90% wrong. There must be 10% at least for the supporters to ponder over..or this is also army's conspiracy? Anyway am out. Thanks.

 

[xyxmt]

Name calling? No this is fact. Check my other posts out. I have always supported the cause no matters who is going for it. If it was NS in the shoes of IK or Qadri, I would have gladly raised my voice for him. I have strong reservations about the protest and where this protest heading to. But look at the all-knowing pharoahic attitude of NS supporters, even Etizaz Ahsan said so. Both NS and supporters denying everything from start to end. Straight away they are "liars". 14 corpses were not able to soften their heart. Now don't come up with FIR has been lodged. It was lodged due to the pressure and was even manipulted initially then later corrected. That's why I call them blind and dumb followers. ARY not ARY....truth will remain there. For your sake, say 90% wrong. There must be 10% at least for the supporters to ponder over..or this is also army's conspiracy? Anyway am out. Thanks.

you still didnt say anything useful other than calling them dumb PMLN supporters, all supporters are dumb be it NS IK or Qadri or the ones why think they know it all, anyway I am out too thanks

 

[Jf Thunder]

Mushahid Hussain's speech was much better as he asserted on the parlimentarians to deliver if they were so sincere with counterfeit democracy but I did not hear the sound of a single desk(which assures that the parlimentarians intend to loot instead of delivery). Such kind of parliment who loot in the name of so called democracy and have countless contradictions in their words and actions that is vigouresly hindering Pakistan's progress should be whiped out of the face of the Earth as it was already predicted by ALLAMA IQBAL in Iblees ki Majlis e Shura:

Karoobar e Shaharyari ki Hakeekat aur hae-Ye wajood e meer o sultan per nahein hae munhasar
(Reality of Imperialism is different, It does not depend upon the existence of a king)

Mjlis e millat ho ya pervaiz ka darbar ho- Hae wo sultan gher ki kheti pe ho jis ki nazar
(Whether it would be a parliment or a shura of a king, Imperialism is to unjustly capture other's resources)

Too ne dekha nahein Maghrib ka jamhoori Nizam?-Chehra roshan andaroon Changez se Tareek ter
(Haven't you seen the Western Democracy? From outside it shines but from inside it is darker than Gangez Khan)

In short it is not democracy as their delivery is zero, it is a monarchy.

dude, i prefer monarchy, at least the deliver something, right? here the politicians are too busy fighting each other and waiting for their turn, so they cant do shit, so that's why Pakistan prospered a bit during martial laws, as these politicians were silenced for a time being

It was failure of Police who ran away but people peacefully left the PTV building when army announced them to leave it BTW i feel sorry for the SSP but it was his mistake to choose this appointment he should have rejected the offer like other SP's DSP's lol he should have focused on traffic police as he was their SSP

dude, i think he thought with a pure heart, and wanted to sincerely serve his country, i salute him.

Equal justice is ppls right u dumb head. And second suppose an HONEST DICTATOR gives them this justice, These shitheads like NS Will get a whole new SONG TO SING. The only way out of this shitstorm is democracy, TRUE DEMOCRACY. AND to get it the young of this nation will have to force it out of NS and Others involved in this STATUS QUO.

we need a presidential system

 

[FNFAL]

Sharifs are just like gandi's. they occupied name of Muslim league as a general lunched him in army. Most of our country is physiological slaves of bhutto and sharif family . Just like my indian friends tell me Congress get votes, no matter how they rule. The last 5 years was worst by PPP, still they won in sindh, no matter what they do they get votes.
Now about that imported molvi we we taking about. He was molvi of the area when nawaz sharif live. Sharif family made him what is today. he was a political Allie. He went to Canada in Musharraf regime after resigning from his seat. He had a vision like all other molvi's . u can disagree with it. but he had this version, and enough support then any make a moment. Benazir and Nawaz sharif used his street power themselves . they introduce them into politics. He is just doing politics how can u blame him
same goes for IK. He promised his supporters that he will do long march if they didnt get justice. They changed judges, they change nadra chairman, they promise for audit in parliament later ran away. There was immense pressure on them to go on street. he listened to the party and went on street.
Now u will say that in india, app or bjp came into power. waiting for the term is an option in india. But here where election system is very flawed. Were institution head are made on political bases, judges are appointed that way (lahore high court never gave a decision against nawaz sharif or party in 25 years). u have no way of getting justice other then street proteset.
Nawaz sharif and zardari have become billionaires, every time they came in power their wealth mulitiply. Just google it, but no one can do anything against them. All the investigating institution have their men.
i hope this explanation help you get some idea.

Thanks for the detailed post.

So the impatience of IK is bcoz of the feeling that there is no second chance? Am i wrong to assume that opossition memebers may get bumped off and no justice shall prevail?
Personally speaking, IK and tuq, are not the 3rd front that pak should look forward too..They are politically immature.He may be a honest, "jazbaati" leader, but not statesman stuff..

 

[Salman Arif]

dude, i prefer monarchy, at least the deliver something, right? here the politicians are too busy fighting each other and waiting for their turn, so they cant do shit, so that's why Pakistan prospered a bit during martial laws, as these politicians were silenced for a time being


I agree with you

 

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BUSINESS
Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster
Fri, Sep 05 18:01 PM IST
By Mehreen Zahra-Malik

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Weeks of mounting anti-government protests in Pakistan had been enough to convince five of the powerful army's 11 Corps Commanders that it was time for them to step in and force embattled Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to resign.

According to a minister close to military circles, top generals met in the garrison city of Rawalpindi at the end of August as demonstrations raged in nearby Islamabad. Thousands of protesters had just tried to storm Sharif's residence.

At the tense, four-hour conclave, Pakistan's democratic process was once again in peril, with the military pondering another intervention in a country that has seen power change hands more often through coups than elections.

But army chief Raheel Sharif decided the time was not right to overthrow the civilian leadership, and moved to quell any disagreement in his ranks by overruling the hawks and declaring the crisis must be solved through politics, not force.

Soon afterwards, the army issued a brief statement, reaffirming its commitment to democracy, and the threat of a coup, at least for now, had passed.

The minister, who declined to be named due to the sensitivity of discussing the inner workings of the military, said at least five generals had been pushing for weeks for the army to take a more "active role" in defusing the crisis.

"The time for the army to be neutral is over," was how the minister summed up the message from dissenters around the table.

Two military sources confirmed this version of events. They, like the minister, spoke on condition of anonymity.

A senior security source added: "Raheel Sharif is not interested in direct intervention. The tanks aren't going to come rolling in. This army believes in compromise."

The army's media wing confirmed Sunday's meeting but declined to share details. Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told Reuters the army was a "monolithic institution".

"What comes out from the army is ultimately one opinion," he said. "And ... they have supported democracy."



BIDING HIS TIME?

General Sharif, who is not related to the prime minister, may simply be biding his time.

If, with the help of tacit military support, Nawaz Sharif does manage to ride out twin protest movements led by cricketer-turned-opposition leader Imran Khan and activist cleric Tahir ul-Qadri, he is expected to emerge a diminished figure.

It would allow the armed forces to assume greater control of policy areas they most covet - security and foreign policy - and leave it to civilians to face public anger over internal problems such as a faltering economy and widespread power cuts.

A government insider told Reuters in August that Sharif had been assured by the military he would not be asked to step down and that there would be no coup. But in return his government would have to "share space" with the army.

Under the agreement, Sharif would be subservient to generals on issues he had wanted to handle himself - the fight against Taliban militants, relations with arch-foe India and Pakistan's role in neighbouring Afghanistan after NATO combat troops withdraw at the end of 2014.

The army chief's cautious stance may have been linked to the strong show of support for the prime minister this month in parliament, where politicians lined up to back him.

General Sharif also inherited the current team of commanders from his predecessor when he took over the top job last year, making him less secure of his position, insiders said.

But with five top security officials due to retire next month, he has a chance to appoint his own men.

"It's hard to imagine an army chief trying to actively intervene or do something drastic when he isn't 100 percent sure his team will back him," said a defence ministry source.

"Next month ... he will have four of his own Corps Commanders. He'll have his own intelligence chief. Then he'll be a man to watch out for."

Spy chief Zaheer-ul-Islam, one of the five departing officers, was among those pushing for the prime minister's ouster, according to three senior government sources.

"It is not the army but elements within the ISI that have been backing Imran to get rid of Nawaz," said one of the sources, referring to Pakistan's most powerful security body, the military's Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

A senior ISI official said: "It is baseless to say the ISI is involved, but the fact is that this government has not delivered. No one will support it unconditionally."

Khan, who like Qadri accuses the prime minister of rigging the 2013 election and demands that he steps down, denies acting on anyone's orders.



HOPE QUICKLY FADED

A year ago, few would have predicted that Nawaz Sharif would be in such trouble.

Back then, he had just swept to power for a third time in a milestone poll that marked nuclear-armed Pakistan's first transition from one elected government to another.

But in the months that followed, Sharif, who crossed swords with the army in the past, moved to enhance the influence of the civilian government in a country ruled by the military for more than half of its brief and turbulent history.

Sharif further irked the generals by putting former military head and president Pervez Musharraf, who ended Sharif's last stint in power in a 1999 coup, on trial for treason.

His principle goals were to improve trade relations with India, convince Afghanistan that Pakistan would not meddle in its affairs and find a negotiated peace settlement with Islamist Taliban insurgents fighting against his rule.

But with the more conservative-minded military back in the driving seat, it would be much harder for Sharif to deliver on the rapprochement with India that he promised Indian officials when he won the election.

It could also affect how Pakistan emerges from a regional tussle for influence in Afghanistan once the majority of foreign soldiers serving there return home.

"Nawaz is the biggest loser here," said a government official. "Coup or no coup, the democratic transition has been badly disrupted."



(Writing By Mehreen Zahra-Malik; Editing by Mike Collett-White)
Army chief holds off generals seeking Pakistan PM's ouster