Major Gradual policy shift of KSA and UAE towards east

[Titanium100]

The CIA will overthrow the regimes of SA&UAE.

There is bigger chance of Xi being regime changed from the within before these monarchs. There is no military solution first of all into these holy lands second with whom is the question.. You can't change monarch without military solution but they are above that treeshold and way way above that treeshold

 

[SQ8]

I would caution the “move to the east” narrative as the power structures within states such as these are based upon family loyalty and oaths which are heavily influenced upon by western powers.

 

[nahtanbob]

Why dragging in Pak here ?

The topic on hand is US Pressure on AE.

I can proudly say that AE is powerful enough to kick out anyone who tries to work against AE

What do you think will happen if the Houthis hit Dubai ? You (along with other countries) will lose $$$

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan is not close to Saudis and UAE after this

This isn’t what impacts “closeness” , its people to people experiences. Indians have generally moved their impression away from the labor class to being the clerical, technical or administrative professionals in the eyes of the Arabs. Pakistanis by far and large in places like KSA are first associated with the man working on their building or the local mandi shop.. with maybe an association with doctors.

The young arab doesn’t recognize the Pakistani beyond these roles as such or as a troubled place while the impact of Bollywood and the tech industry influence puts the Indian in a different light. Modi getting down on his knees wouldn’t achieve the results this does. Because when these young arabs now coming into power structures remember their experiences they focus their alliances accordingly as well.

One of the primary drivers of relationships between Pakistan and the GCC states was providing security services and personnel for their state and families. Today the GCC states are either taking over those responsibilities or have alternatives within Egypt and elsewhere.

So basically what does Pakistan have to offer other than the guy building their home?

However, there are still state to state and military to military ties due to older relationships that India cannot replace or penetrate YET.. so you’re chest beating too much from this perspective

 

[Titanium100]

What do you think will happen if the Houthis hit Dubai ? You (along with other countries) will lose $$$

You mean if they hit whatever is thrown is 97% intercepted but It would be a pleasing in disquises..

If you think anyone sees that negative you are completely wrong this will give the pretext they want to eliminate the small besiged enclaves cities into an absolute dust...

Hence this is a pretext bait.. Nobody cares about investors who can always return or what not.. But removing the UN limits on UAE would be a huge victory to act without remorse in Yemen and throwing leaflets to the civilians to exit all major of the besieged enclaves cities...

They will come down with full impunity this will provide that golden ticket..

This is my geninue favourite outcome and also to remove all UN missions from yemen and antonio guterres bs humantarian shxt show.. Scoring that would be an deniable huge victory..

It would be like giving giving Israel the full impunity to completely purge Hezbollah in south Lebanon with impunity without regards to Civilian lifes

 

[nahtanbob]

This isn’t what impacts “closeness” , its people to people experiences. Indians have generally moved their impression away from the labor class to being the clerical, technical or administrative professionals in the eyes of the Arabs. Pakistanis by far and large in places like KSA are first associated with the man working on their building or the local mandi shop.. with maybe an association with doctors.

The young arab doesn’t recognize the Pakistani beyond these roles as such or as a troubled place while the impact of Bollywood and the tech industry influence puts the Indian in a different light. Modi getting down on his knees wouldn’t achieve the results this does. Because when these young arabs now coming into power structures remember their experiences they focus their alliances accordingly as well.

One of the primary drivers of relationships between Pakistan and the GCC states was providing security services and personnel for their state and families. Today the GCC states are either taking over those responsibilities or have alternatives within Egypt and elsewhere.

So basically what does Pakistan have to offer other than the guy building their home?

However, there are still state to state and military to military ties due to older relationships that India cannot replace or penetrate YET.. so you’re chest beating too much from this perspective

You miss the greater point. Countries are moving away from fossil fuels. Every large customer counts in this scenario. India is a large customer that will grow larger. Saudis do make it a point to co-ordinate their energy policies with other producers and large customers. That is not changing for the short to intermediate term.

India does not ask for loans and deferred payment facilities unlike Pakistan. I do not know how much this matters for the Arabs. It would matter for me if one of my customers was a periodic deadbeat.

In the long run the locals/natives need to replace foreigners in the clerical, technical or administrative class. I do not see a long term advantage for Indians here at least in Saudi Arabia. UAE may be a different story. It looks like India has decided to support UAE as a regional hub.

India has chosen not to get involved in the military to military & state to state. They are always at a disadvantage here versus Pakistan because they are not Muslim

 

[SQ8]

You miss the greater point. Countries are moving away from fossil fuels. Every large customer counts. India is a large customer. Saudis do make it a point to co-ordinate their energy policies with other producers and large customers. That is not changing

India does not ask for loans and deferred payment facilities unlike Pakistan. I do not know how much this matters for the Arabs. It would matter for me.

In the long run the locals/natives need to replace foreigners in the clerical, technical or administrative class. I do not see a long term advantage for Indians here

India has chosen not to get involved in the military to military & state to state. They are always at a disadvantage here versus Pakistan because they are not Muslim

Those suppliers too are moving away from Fossil fuels as a primary source of income.
You cannot immediately replace tens of thousands of roles with locals(even though they are on the way) and find expertise on it locally. That is where the tech leads come in. Then you want investors who can add those industries locally, guess who has that money and experience ? Definitely not Pakistanis.

Yes, India is an energy market but it’s offering goes beyond being a buyer and that is what I would emphasize as its strength.