Magic Of The Mig-35

[luckyyy]

if mig-35 able to pass the feild trails , which in my view it definatly will , ..

i think mig-35 has a bright chance to win MMRCA deal...

with india having join FGFA program , it will be easier to incorporate FGFA tech into MIG-35 at the least affart and cost....

 

[sancho]

if mig-35 able to pass the feild trails , which in my view it definatly will , ..

i think mig-35 has a bright chance to win MMRCA deal...

with india having join FGFA program , it will be easier to incorporate FGFA tech into MIG-35 at the least affart and cost....

What FGFA techs do you want to integrate into Mig 35?
The fact that FGFA will be available only by 2017, but Mig 35 should be ready in 2014 alone makes this impossible and leaves only weapons as commonality between both and that actually is what we don't want.
The Mig is out for sure and will be used only as a tech demonstrator for Mig 29K upgrades, be it for IN, or RuN.

 

[For Ever Pakistan]

moves just like the euro fighter that the europeans have no matter how good the plane is its the its the driver thats will make the differcnce history proves it hence "TOPGUN" school and so on

 

[luckyyy]

What FGFA techs do you want to integrate into Mig 35?
The fact that FGFA will be available only by 2017, but Mig 35 should be ready in 2014 alone makes this impossible and leaves only weapons as commonality between both and that actually is what we don't want.
The Mig is out for sure and will be used only as a tech demonstrator for Mig 29K upgrades, be it for IN, or RuN.

radar , data link , satalite link , optical sensor radar , stealth coating , .......etc etc ..

FGFA would be available only in 2017 but systems would be ready before that...

and why shouldn't we want weapons commonality when US/EU 100+ range A2A missile cost $3ml compare to $0.1ml russian missles , and why not we want weapons commonality when india astra would be ready by that time...

 

[sancho]

radar , data link , satalite link, optical sensor radar , stealth coating , .......etc etc ..

FGFA would be available only in 2017 but systems would be ready before that...

and why shouldn't we want weapons commonality when US/EU 100+ range A2A missile cost $3ml compare to $0.1ml russian missles , and why not we want weapons commonality when india astra would be ready by that time...

Radar are different, data/sat links will be indian anyway, OLS 50 is not ready for Mig 35 and not the coatings of FGFA will be important, but the stealth designs with internal weapon bays, instead of external loads.
Commonality is good, but limiting our capabilities to Russian weapons and fighters only is not. That's why we couldn't do effective strikes in Kargil, that's why most of Russian missiles have issues. So having MKI with the maximum that Russia can offer, till Pak Fa / FGFA is good, but in addition we need western additions.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Mig 35 is no way winning in MMRCA. They have already said the production can only start in 2013, so forget about the 1st squadron which is to be delivered by vendor after signing of the contract.
Strategically, it would be stupidest idea. You are suggesting that around 90% of Indian fleet to be Russian made. If Russia in the future says it can't provide a spare part, then what. So, its not a wise decision to purchase Mig 35.
But I don't have to say anything. Every1 MOD and IAF knows about it and dats why Typhoon and Rafale are possible winner. Typhoon brings alot back to India but no infrastructure to support it. As per Rafale, we have infrastructure but it doesnot give so much return as Typhoon deal.

Typhoon's only drawback is that, this is the only fighter without aesa. Although they will provide aesa as well as couple of extra features but this might delay the induction.

 

[luckyyy]

Mig 35 is no way winning in MMRCA. They have already said the production can only start in 2013, so forget about the 1st squadron which is to be delivered by vendor after signing of the contract.
Strategically, it would be stupidest idea. You are suggesting that around 90% of Indian fleet to be Russian made. If Russia in the future says it can't provide a spare part, then what. So, its not a wise decision to purchase Mig 35.

ground realities are always far away from illusions...

IAF has cleared MIG-35 in feild trails and currently the offset details of all 6 contenders are evaluated by MoD...

major components of su-30mki are now menufecture in india and the mig-29 maintanence depot is already installed at nasik..that's will help russians to make the most attrective offset proposals .....

mig-35 engine [rd-33] is already licence menufectured in india ,...

in final commrcial evaluation also , russians will be ahead as mig-35 will be the L1 bidder...

also keep in mind that only russia and US currently has a working AESA radar and india the only third country after russia puting the AESA radar on mig-29 upgrade....

and MMRCA will probably the last fighters which india will be buying , so why not from the russians ...

 

[sancho]

...in final commrcial evaluation also , russians will be ahead as mig-35 will be the L1 bidder...

also keep in mind that only russia and US currently has a working AESA radar and india the only third country after russia puting the AESA radar on mig-29 upgrade....

Doubtful, because the L1 will also include lifecycle costs and the Mig will clearly be more costly than the Gripen, F16 and possibly even the Super Hornet.
That's wrong, the Zhuk AE is still under development only, otherwise we would get it for the 29K's. The only AESA radars that are ready for production so far are US and French.

 

[angeldemon_007]

IAF has cleared MIG-35 in feild trails and currently the offset details of all 6 contenders are evaluated by MoD...

Telling this that a contender is out of the race would not be a good move. Its better we don't show our cards, so dat we still have the bargaining chip.

mig-35 engine [rd-33] is already licence menufectured in india ,...

Sorry, I had no knowledge about this thing. Its good.... but can you provide some link about this?

also keep in mind that only russia and US currently has a working AESA radar

France successfully tested aesa on rafale. Gripen is also providing aesa although its american. Look don't worry about aesa, its a compulsory requirement in mmrca and dats why Eurofighter will also provide aesa with typhoon, although its not been tested yet.

india the only third country after russia puting the AESA radar on mig-29 upgrade....

When did this happened ??? Again please give some source. I thought IAF is thinking of fitting aesa to Su 30. Anyways, hope both of us are true but please do provide some proof.

MMRCA will probably the last fighters which india will be buying , so why not from the russians

My friend, putting all your eggs in the same basket is not a good idea. If India do decide to purchase Mig 35 for MMRCA, then it would be a mistake.

Mig will clearly be more costly than the Gripen, F16 and possibly even the Super Hornet.

No, it is the cheapest among all the contenders. But i heard, its engine faced alot of problems during field trials.

That's wrong, the Zhuk AE is still under development only, otherwise we would get it for the 29K's.

No Zhuk AE is already developed and further development is going on to produce an advanced version of this. Actually, this might be the only bargaining chip with Russians. They are offering licensed production of Zhuk in case Mig 35 wins. I think that might be the reason.

 

[luckyyy]

Sorry, I had no knowledge about this thing. Its good.... but can you provide some link about this?

REFILE-India will make licensed Russia RD-33 aeroengines | Reuters
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When did this happened ??? Again please give some source. I thought IAF is thinking of fitting aesa to Su 30. Anyways, hope both of us are true but please do provide some proof.

my mistake , Zhuk AE AESA radar will be put on SU-30MKI upgrade..
anyway ,my point was that india will be the only third country to have a AESA radar....

My friend, putting all your eggs in the same basket is not a good idea. If India do decide to purchase Mig 35 for MMRCA, then it would be a mistake.

it don't matter been 80% eggs in one basket or 90% , the main point is that these will be the last fighter india been buying, ultimate goal is to be self reliance in defence equipments and russians are best place to assist india ....

 

[angeldemon_007]

also keep in mind that only russia and US currently has a working AESA radar

Hey guys i was just checking out the SAAB India website. Saab also has its own 2nd generation aesa, its called ES 05 Raven developed by Selex-Galileo, together with Saab Microwave, is the only fighter radar on the market with a moving swash plate allowing cover of scan angles up to ±100°.

Just check out the website, either the fighter is exactly as per Indian demand or just a way to sell their fighter. It also has the same GE F414G turbofan engine which India is purchasing from GE for LCA.

Saab also recently signed a deal with Pipavav Shipyard and already has a deal with Mahindra Satyam.

I would be really happy if Saab wins the order but i think it has very less chances but still it has many fans in the gov. and IAF.

it don't matter been 80% eggs in one basket or 90%

Actually it matters a lot, strategically it seems to be a bad idea. If someday Russia decides not to provide a spare part then what ??/ or if Russia increases the cost of some part or even upgradation cost, then what ?// We would have no choice but to purchase them.

 

[luckyyy]

If someday Russia decides not to provide a spare part then what ?.

is there any weakileak cable that suggest you that...?

but IAF seen be getting on with it by buying 80 second hand mirages from UAE & Qatar ...

MMRCA tandor seem going owards the MIG-35 way , simply on the L1 bidder , but MoD would only order 60 inplace of 126...

i mean that fill propose of diversifying at lower cost with TOT....

 

[angeldemon_007]

MMRCA tandor seem going owards the MIG-35 way , simply on the L1 bidde

Gripen will be selected on that basis. You seem to be a very big fan of Russia. I hope you can request them on my behalf to reduce the cost of their Su30 mki. The last 42 fighters are being sold to India at the cost close to f35, even aesa is not included and if India plans to fit Brahmos with them, then also extra cost.

is there any weakileak cable that suggest you that...?

No need for that our media is enough. Everybody knows about Gorshkov. Yeah, they say this that they didn't knew about the cost of refitting in the beginning. Dude its just a crap, if you will delay a project like this which requires special grade steel, then the cost will definitely escalate.

They are also asking more money for those Talwar class new frigates.

Su 29 is facing the same kind of problem that i am pointing to.

Akulla II is also delayed. Even our IAC I faced delays because Russia was not providing us with the special grade steel that we needed for the project. Helicopter deal is also delayed.

Russian are good partners but this does not give them the right to exploit this.I hope FGFA deal goes as planned or else ven you will start to using bad words against them.

but IAF seen be getting on with it by buying 80 second hand mirages from UAE & Qatar ...

There is no place for them in IAF. All these rumors are floating around in Defence.pk only....
Eurofighter and rafale are the best options, even gripen is good, if India is willing to give away political gain that we might gain from this deal.

 

[luckyyy]

Gripen will be selected on that basis. You seem to be a very big fan of Russia.

i am only the fan of unbaised to the point facts ,
and the fact is , mig-35 offering the most at the lowest cost , and that's the purpose of a tandor , otherwise there was direct routes too to buy any aircraft.....

I hope you can request them on my behalf to reduce the cost of their Su30 mki. The last 42 fighters are being sold to India at the cost close to f35, even aesa is not included and if India plans to fit Brahmos with them, then also extra cost.

it's not the russian but HAL has increased the cost of the SU-30MKI coz they has extablished new facilities to build su-30mki parts in india after TOT from russia...

No need for that our media is enough. Everybody knows about Gorshkov. Yeah, they say this that they didn't knew about the cost of refitting in the beginning. Dude its just a crap, if you will delay a project like this which requires special grade steel, then the cost will definitely escalate.

do you think it's the same Gorshkov which navy bought , certainly not , it has all the new systems installed on it ....
when navy chief has justified the cost increase , why few like you still keeping the same old line...

I hope FGFA deal goes as planned ..

you are hopefull on FGFA , why , coz , no other can offer india to the extent russians offering....try ask US to give F-35 with full TOT..?

 

[IND151]

MIG 35 is brand new. it is not souped up MIG 29 as many people say.