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Madinah court sentences six Pakistanis for disrespecting Masjid-e-Nabwi

LoL, I don’t want to get into a religious debate but politics had a major role in Islam. I’m sure you’ve studied the history of Islam and this was the same place where Muhammad swt stood up to the oppressors of his time.
Cursing and fighting are prohibited in Haram Sharif. Besides being primarily for worship, the following was also its purpose:

'As used in Islamic urban planning, the word ḥaram means "inviolate zone" ... Such protected areas were sanctuaries, or places where contending parties could settle disputes peacefully.'

In history, states and empires have not always respected it though, for example Umayyad attack on Makkah and Medinah.
 
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Talk about culture and upbringing? .. People would interrupt Umar RA while delivering Khutba from Minbar-e-Rasool and put him to explanation regarding Bait-ul-maal expenditure and Umar RA (or any other Sahabi for that matter) didn't see any disrespect of the Holy mosque in such an action...
Comparing an explanation with slogan chanting, excellent example. :laugh: Stops before it even begins.

Calling out thieves on what they are OUTSIDE Masjid e Nabvi is not a disrespect to the Holy Mosque ..
For you maybe. You can do that all you want. Its wrong, its disrespectful and its unlawful.

Public questioning the rulers (inside the mosque or anywhere else) is something House of Saud can never allow hence such harsh and disproportionate punishments .. Nothing to do with Islam or sanctity of the mosque (which anyway is meant to be a community center)
Pakistani Public can do that in Pakistan with Pakistani politicians. Spare Mecca and Medina from Pakistani politics
 
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Comparing an explanation with slogan chanting, excellent example. :laugh: Stops before it even begins.

Duh !!

After Umar RA gave the explanation (following harsh questioning) a guy even took out his sword and told Umer RA that he would cut off Umar's head in case the latter wilfully deviated from the truth.... Now try comparing that to slogan chanting !! ... You need to read a little bit more about Islamic history

Pakistani Public can do that in Pakistan with Pakistani politicians. Spare Mecca and Medina from Pakistani politics

Makkah and Madinah belong to every Muslim .. House of Saud doesn't own them
 
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Most of the people have no idea what Medina and Mecca is, the city where Rasool Allah is resting and he lived and walked. What a shame that you have to go stupid in a place like that.
 
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Those who heckled are in fact defending the sanctity of the mosque by not welcoming thugs and mafia in the holy place. They were telling the whole world look at these thugs doing umrah on looted money. Very disappointed by this court sentence.


Most laws are in fact there to keep the royal family in power.Nothing Islamic. But here the US won't talk about freedom of speech etc because the oil is coming and Israel is protected. What a ugly world we live in....
Ksa is dictatorship.

They have beheaded their own for less.

They got Lucky

Had they been Saudis complaining about the saud family corruption they would have been beheaded..

Saudis I see in USA are afraid of their own shadow as well
 
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This holy place is for all man kind - sinners and pious alike. There is no rule that a sinner is not allowed to recite darood shareef or visit this holy place to pay respect.
His point was wrong.. but heckling at someone doesn't mean you jail them for 10 years. Pmln built a dirty blasphemy case against them to get them punished.. talk about justice not your feelings..
They were way outside the roza. Where often people raise voice when needed... this level of sensitivity attached to the verdict has political bias agaisnt pti coming from a kingdom that offered pti money to join pmln govt. In 2013.
 
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can GOP request the evil KSA regime to lighten their sentence?

they were patriots , they didn't deserve it
 
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Injustice , as there is no where in Islam which states people can't demonstrate against corruption

Infact Islam encourages you to speak up against Corrupt to remain silent is a criminal act


Sanctity? Of what Hajj people throw Rocks at Sheytan they don't remains silent

Politics has been part of Islam since departure of Prophet Mohammad as there was no fixed system to elect a leader , so chaos did happen after each transition between Leadership
 
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Duh !!

After Umar RA gave the explanation (following harsh questioning) a guy even took out his sword and told Umer RA that he would cut off Umar's head in case the latter wilfully deviated from the truth...
What makes you think that the angry man's threat to murder is proper Islamic example of behaviour. It's not. There is no example like that in the Quran. Also, it doesn't take away from the fact that Medinah was designated Haram -
'The Prophet (pbuh) declared Madinah as a sanctuary (Haram), in all likelihood, when he was returning from Khaybar in the seventh year'.
 
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His point was wrong.. but heckling at someone doesn't mean you jail them for 10 years.
Every country has different laws. If the case is followed, will have to see how did his lawyer defend him or tried to get his sentence reduced.

Duh !!

After Umar RA gave the explanation (following harsh questioning) a guy even took out his sword and told Umer RA that he would cut off Umar's head in case the latter wilfully deviated from the truth.... Now try comparing that to slogan chanting !! ... You need to read a little bit more about Islamic history
Now its harsh questioning compared with political chanting :laugh: save it mate. They are completely different with different motives.
Makkah and Madinah belong to every Muslim .. House of Saud doesn't own them
They are holy places of respect. Pilgrims and others visit them for their holiness and religious matters. Politics should have been left at home. They were correctly punished, you can argue all you want.
 
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Every country has different laws. If the case is followed, will have to see how did his lawyer defend him or tried to get his sentence reduced.


Now its harsh questioning compared with political chanting :laugh: save it mate. They are completely different with different motives.

They are holy places of respect. Pilgrims and others visit them for their holiness and religious matters. Politics should have been left at home. They were correctly punished, you can argue all you want.

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Is occupation of Al-Quds a political matter?

Is Al-Quds a holy place?

I want to see how well you perform mental gymnastics to stick a landing to these questions.
 
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Is occupation of Al-Quds a political matter?

Is Al-Quds a holy place?

I want to see how well you perform mental gymnastics to stick a landing to these questions.
The responsibility of respect of holy place lies on the shoulders of every individual.
 
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There are laws, let your stay in Pakistan not make you forget that ever. However, more than that, there is a culture and then up bringing (religious and ethical). Pakistanis in the said case seem to lack all and thus punished.
one should be willing to go back and look into how this culture and that up bringing either religious or ethical develop in people.

a statement is an escape route but one has to debate and narrate to at least what is good for people to know and learn something from.

isn't it state's responsibility to provide education but when people are forced into a certain standard or medium of education which one cannot escape what does parents do?

they can only guide their kids in the name of good upbringing at home, they can educate them with their limited knowledge of religion but a kid has to fight his own war once he leave the house because it is enforced upon him. but where is state who is responsible to provide not only quality education but also has to take a massive part in grooming a child by providing environment.

only then one should talk about ethics, we people of Pakistan are not some breed out of this universe who can't follow the masses. we see children behaving when we see them crossing a road, bin the trash, behave in every aspect of life in the developed world, give them same environment and watch.

and don't blame parents when they themselves are the product of same system then what do you expect from a tunnel mind they'll bring their children up against all odds. it is always opportunities that are provided which help develop a modern society.

a suppressed nation will always behave like what happened in Majid-e-Nabvi, they simply vent their anger out against them with all the privileges they don't justify. putting blame is so easy whereas nobody looks into circumstances and then sentencing them?

what do one expect from a society that lack vision and is totally based on political understanding but is veiled with religion which is deceptive to even their own people let alone expatriates. the result of which is they can't dare touch a "gora" and we talk about justice system they have?

we have examples and many, where Caliphs and wise men of this very religion of the holy land did justice to the convicted on circumstantial grounds, this require vision and dignity which is lacking.

now don't question me why we lack this vision when everyone knows either ruling the country or providing justice or defending the borders or even expanding the vision, culprits are sitting at every place.

then people are blamed when they call out same culprits no matter what.
 
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