LUMS - becoming a leftist militant breeding ground ?

[LeGenD]

Feminists cum LEFTISTS have virtually hijacked universities to influence minds of the youth around the world under the garb of promoting Critical Thinking. These are not ordinary people but Lecturers and Professors. Although, some are good teachers and decent individuals in person but they are promoters of a FOREIGN IDEOLOGY regardless.

GOP does not pay much attention to these matters however, and does not even bother to take universities onboard in regards to teaching Islam and significance of nationalism to youth. If foreign ideologies are to be challenged head-on, then Pakistani education system is to be revisited on the whole. However, suppressing freedom of expression does not help anybody. Idea is to promote School of Thoughts in universities which can be critical of Feminism and/or Marxism with logic and reason. This is the fine art of using same tools and/or platforms to challenge a foreign ideology which are under its spell. I am sure there will be some Lecturers and Professors up to the task. In fact, new posts can be created in universities for this purpose alone.

A society where state is all-powerful and can get away with virtually anything, is not in our best interests. It is far better for the state to make its nationals aware of the path it wishes to take on a matter pertaining to geopolitics and/or how to steer the country forward. There will be opposing voices but a convincing narrative can overshadow such voices.

 

[Dalit]

Feminists cum LEFTISTS have virtually hijacked universities to influence minds of the youth around the world under the garb of promoting Critical Thinking. These are not ordinary people but Lecturers and Professors. Although, some are good teachers and decent individuals in person but they are promoters of a FOREIGN IDEOLOGY regardless.

GOP does not pay much attention to these matters however, and does not even bother to take universities onboard in regards to teaching Islam and significance of nationalism to youth. If foreign ideologies are to be challenged head-on, then Pakistani education system is to be revisited on the whole. However, suppressing freedom of expression does not help anybody. Idea is to promote School of Thoughts in universities which can be critical of Feminism and/or Marxism with logic and reason. This is the fine art of using same tools and/or platforms to challenge a foreign ideology which are under its spell. I am sure there will be some Lecturers and Professors up to the task. In fact, new posts can be created in universities for this purpose alone.

A society where state is all-powerful and can get away with virtually anything, is not in our best interests. It is far better for the state to make nationals aware of the path it wishes to take on a matters pertaining to geopolitics and how to steer the country forward. There will be opposing voices but a convincing narrative can overshadow such voices.

100% spot on. It is not about being opposed to critical thinking. No one is above criticism including the Pak armes forces. There is no such thing as holy cows. If there are genuine concerns against the Pak armed forces they need to be addressed.

What we are witnessing here is entirely different. These academics are generally funded by foreign donors. They are basically treasonous and corrupt. They put their finiancial gains on top. They are ready to undermine the state and security.

No proper academic in their right mind would support PTM. This is not critical thinking, but support to foreign hostile elements such as Hindustan and Afghanistan. PTM is not a peaceful activist movement. It is a foreign funded anarchist movement designed to undermine ethnic harmony in Pakistan.

Why doesn't PTM criticise the US army for funding and forcing the Pak army to conduct operations in FATA? Just ask yourself this question.

 

[xyxmt]

Being a leftie and a student go together, they need something other than studies to pump the adrenalin. It's good to entertain alternative thought though it mustn't be violent.

drugs, drinking and dance parties are not working I guess.

 

[R Wing]

falling standards , hi fees , lack of any innovation . LUMS is a sorry state of affairs .

and now, their academia and professors are openly supporting PTM revolt and threatening state

https://twitter.com/nidkirm

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this is a lums professor , sitting comfortably in lahore DHA yet is tweeting ( to her 40k followers) about PTM narrative

im compiling a list of more lums professors and students engaged in such militancy and will update this board

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my message to all such liberals who are now rooting for PTM = pak army defeated TTP and crushed the snake's head . dont make this mistake

The problem becomes more complicated because this woke BS has become fashionable. It's how a lower middle class kid on scholarship from interior Sindh or rural Punjab can fit in better --- because, hey, he holds "progressive" values and is a champion of human rights; even worse, this is the crap that Western institutions live and die for: spew this nonsense and you'll get an invite, an award, an admissions offer, etc. Defend center-right policies and... you're a backward idiot on the ISI payroll.

What's wrong with being a "a leftist militant"

Like all forms of extremism, it diminishes all other opinions as inferior and aggressively seeks to establish its own version of what's best as the only acceptable solution. This is why right wing extremists/militants are just as bad.

Pakistan is now a breeding ground of snake heads....
Time to bring a strict dictator who will shove a danda in every hole of a snake.

As long as he's not from the Army...

Cant afford another Al-Zulfiqar

I tell my folks..there used to be a time when leftist liberals used to be the daeish/AQ of world..thats back in the cold war era 50s-80s..They also bombed Pakistan here and there , they had their own sucide squad, had idiots who used to proudly call themselves soldiers of che and the red flag(khooni inqilab)They just used the word 'khooni inqilab' to indoctrinate non-political people.We still here it a lot like i did while growing up in 90s.Most of them got trained in Afghanistan,India,Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq..They were pretty strong in Pakistan back in 70s..but thanks to Zia ul Haq you know..he is the man..Thats why Dawn and khooni liberal hate him.

I won't get into Zia because, while he did a lot of good stuff at the geostrategic level, he also accelerated the downfall and division of our society that ZAB had started --- but you're absolutely right, leftist extremism has led to violence in the past and, if not controlled now, will lead to terrorism in the future.

Being a leftie and a student go together, they need something other than studies to pump the adrenalin. It's good to entertain alternative thought though it mustn't be violent.

There are many people here who've been students but have shunned that woke BS. The strangest thing is that it only takes a mildly intelligent person to intellectually dismantle most of their beliefs as hypocritical or false --- but our agencies usually don't operate with that kind of sophistication, unfortunately.

 

[Silverblaze]

Cant afford another Al-Zulfiqar

I tell my folks..there used to be a time when leftist liberals used to be the daeish/AQ of world..thats back in the cold war era 50s-80s..They also bombed Pakistan here and there , they had their own sucide squad, had idiots who used to proudly call themselves soldiers of che and the red flag(khooni inqilab)They just used the word 'khooni inqilab' to indoctrinate non-political people.We still here it a lot like i did while growing up in 90s.Most of them got trained in Afghanistan,India,Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq..They were pretty strong in Pakistan back in 70s..but thanks to Zia ul Haq you know..he is the man..Thats why Dawn and khooni liberal hate him.

Leftist extremism never appealed to Pakistanis and never will. These clowns dont have support of a large political party like jamat e islami who openly supports TTP. Thats why army called it an existential threat

As far as zia is concerned, he used anyone so he can to stay in power- mqm in karachi, sharifs in punjab and mullahs in KP. Pakistan needs a govt that delivers economically and not corrupt mafia of nawaz supported by zia or dacoits like chaudhrys supported by musharaf.

A comprehensive unified intelligence community is needed to deal with all kinds of threats like the national intelligence in US which collects all intelligence from other agencies and quickly implements it not this drama bazi.

 

[R Wing]

100% spot on. It is not about being opposed to critical thinking. No one is above criticism including the Pak armes forces. There is no such thing as holy cows. If there are genuine concerns against the Pak armed forces they need to be addressed.

What we are witnessing here is entirely different. These academics are generally funded by foreign donors. They are basically treasonous and corrupt. They put their finiancial gains on top. They are ready to undermine the state and security.

No proper academic in their right mind would support PTM. This is not critical thinking, but support to foreign hostile elements such as Hindustan and Afghanistan. PTM is not a peaceful activist movement. It is a foreign funded anarchist movement designed to undermine ethnic harmony in Pakistan.

Why doesn't PTM criticise the US army for funding and forcing the Pak army to conduct operations in FATA? Just ask yourself this question.

Absolutely agree. But even more painful is that the collective force and thousands of individuals involved in our government/national security apparatus have failed to provide an intellectual rebuttal to the PTM's central claims (and, by extension, the absurdity of supporting such a movement.) Not through tweets or arrests (which only win the ringleaders more sympathy) but through a televised debate challenge or even just a paper written and owned by Pashtuns.

 

[TNT]

LUMS is nothing but a project of a certain rich group that want to secularize Pakistan. These groups include qadyanis and otjers as well. They want to produce a secular and liberal ruling elite for Pakistan. Mlst of LUMS graduates are anti state and mental slaves of the west. The only stupid argument lums students comeup with is that oh you couldn't get admission that's why u r jealous, and im like shutup b**** ive studied from a western uni far out ranking lums, shows they r pumped with superiority complexes.

 

[RoadRunner401]

What da hell are leftist and rightist? Could someone shed light on this.

I have noticed Some Pakistani posters using abbreviations and expecting people to know exactly what they are talking about on this international forum. In this case The Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS)

LOL, the Liberals are lefties and conservative are rightist.. And for others liberals are rightist and conservatives are leftist..Point is OP has to explain what he or she means..

 

[Aasimkhan]

Nothing wrong with calling for an end to the media crackdown, extrajudicial kidnappings and detention, right to organise and have student unions (as all students do globally), calling for an end to heavy handed establishment interference, defending the right to protest and to free speech.

A lot of these students also have very particular issues they want to raise. Regarding university administration and accommodation etc.

All of these are reasonable positions and one doesn’t need to be a leftist to support them.

I don’t know where this absurd idea came from in Pakistan that universities aren’t politicised elsewhere in the world, that student unions are apolitical, and that students should not protest or be seditious. Come see what happens on UK university campuses and globally, they protest and organise freely, student unions are elected and represent student’s interests and their politics. Students in the UK even have national political groups and student unions.

I fully support you. You missed out that students should be allowed to beat their parents an teachers in open, students should be allowed to abuse the government, religion, parents, teachers, religions, values, Army, judiciary, forefathers, founding fathers and heroes. Students should be alloed to fornicate and fcuk on the roads like dogs and bitches. Students should be allowed to smoke, drink, use Ice, Crystal Meth, Koke, Marijuana and heroin out in the open streets. They should get drunk at mid night (which i have seen in LUMS with my own eyes) and howl like jackals. They should be promoted to next classes without holding exams. There should be nude parties and nude beaches where they can satisfy their libidoes like animals. They should be converted into complete hippies and scum-ov-the-earth pieces of siht.

 

[Dalit]

Absolutely agree. But even more painful is that the collective force and thousands of individuals involved in our government/national security apparatus have failed to provide an intellectual rebuttal to the PTM's central claims (and, by extension, the absurdity of supporting such a movement.) Not through tweets or arrests (which only win the ringleaders more sympathy) but through a televised debate challenge or even just a paper written and owned by Pashtuns.

You need to have a counter movement. Just like India and Afghanistan picked Manzoor Pashteen as their representative the people of Pakistan and the state needs to have its own anti-PTM face. Hold mass rallies throughout the country. Bigger rallies than PTM and challange them on every single point. Provide full media coverage. They cannot win against 200+ million Pakistanis who oppose their Pashtun nationalistic tendencies. Preferably get a fierce patriot from the tribal areas and present him or her as the anti-PTM messiah. In short, build an anti-PTM narrative.

Since the state and the Pak armed forces are united in the best interest of Pakistan we need to capitalise this moment. This idea under previous regimes was a pipedream since they were hand and glove with India. The state and the Pak armed forces need to work in sync, but more efficiently and certainly with more urgency. Something that is lacking at the moment.

 

[Jungibaaz]

I fully support you. You missed out that students should be allowed to beat their parents an teachers in open, students should be allowed to abuse the government, religion, parents, teachers, religions, values, Army, judiciary, forefathers, founding fathers and heroes. Students should be alloed to fornicate and fcuk on the roads like dogs and bitches. Students should be allowed to smoke, drink, use Ice, Crystal Meth, Koke, Marijuana and heroin out in the open streets. They should get drunk at mid night (which i have seen in LUMS with my own eyes) and howl like jackals. They should be promoted to next classes without holding exams. There should be nude parties and nude beaches where they can satisfy their libidoes like animals. They should be converted into complete hippies and scum-ov-the-earth pieces of siht.

If you actually care to debate this, you’ll have to do better than reductio ad absurdum.

 

[Dalit]

If you actually care to debate this, you’ll have to do better than reductio ad absurdum.

You know very well how these so-called intellectuals are underminding Pakistan. You cannot reason with people who hold a malicious intent.

LUMS is nothing but a project of a certain rich group that want to secularize Pakistan. These groups include qadyanis and otjers as well. They want to produce a secular and liberal ruling elite for Pakistan. Mlst of LUMS graduates are anti state and mental slaves of the west. The only stupid argument lums students comeup with is that oh you couldn't get admission that's why u r jealous, and im like shutup b**** ive studied from a western uni far out ranking lums, shows they r pumped with superiority complexes.

They are a disgusting set of people. I met a few when they came here for an exchange program at our uni in The Netherlands. Their throught process is just out of touch with reality. They live on a different planet. Their world revolves around defaming the country they reside in.

I was born en bred in a Western nation and I feel ashamed of these people who are trying to prove themselves more loyal than the king. Every time you meet one of these burger boys or girls you get cringe feeling.

 

[Jungibaaz]

You know very well how these so-called intellectuals are underminding Pakistan. You cannot reason with people who hold a malicious intent.

No I don’t know that very well, these leftists use a term to describe their critics; “reactionary”. I’d say what you’ve said here seems reactionary. Why must valid protest be dismissed as seditious in this way?

 

[Dalit]

No I don’t know that very well, these leftists use a term to describe their critics; “reactionary”. I’d say what you’ve said here seems reactionary. Why must valid protest be dismissed as seditious in this way?

Of course and these chestthumping liberal elites who travel around the world to cuss Pakistan are peaceful doves. Give me a break.

LOL at reactionary. I don't undermine the well being of Pakistan by calling PTM a peaceful movement. I know that these libtards are allies of PTM. Are you by any chance also supportive of PTM? Don't avoid the question.

 

[Pandora]

Nowadays pakistanis treat Zia like a boogieman but reality is that he was only Mard-e-Mujahid jisne in LAL LAL waloon ki LAL ki thi. In reality rise of these leftist Militants bred the necessity to bring Mullah brigade into Pakistani Politics.