Love Jihad: Shame Shame Indian Court, Shame Shame Hindu Extremism

[livingdead]

So murdering people for having a different political viewpoint is not a crime anymore just because they belong to a certain ideology?

political violence is indeed a black spot on kerala, as on wb... where each side take turn to kill workers of opposition party... RSS is heavily involved politically in kerala(unlike many other states) and pose direct challenge to communists... just like trinamul poses direct challenge to CPM (they used to get killed by CPM cadre and now its the other way).
so no, its not innocent rss hindus getting killed for professing political view... they are also involved in violence against communists(kerala only not elsewhere)
you try to make it hindu vs muslim issue when it is hindu-vs-hindu fight mostly.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Brother, it is simply not true.
Could you cite me the source where Court ruled out in decision that she was under the guardianship of the court, and it was illegal for her to marry during it?

One last time, the court is should be informed about the marriage. It's not asking for permission. All here actions influence the court. If she marries one day and divorce another day, what should the court do. Change the decisions as such.

All the sources which I have read and heard, they say the court wordings for annulling this marriage is this that she was immature and she should not have taken this step without the permission of her parents. There was no mention of guardianship or any thing else in the court's decision.

Also, no one came up of this excuse of guardianship etc. in the supreme court, which again show this is a false claim. Supreme court only linked her case to the terrorism, denying her the basic human right to take her own decision as an adult.

Stop reading sources and read the judgement copy. I can't dig it our, its rather late and I'm bored.

Being 24 years old Adult means that according to the law she is fully eligible to her personal choices and decisions, and the parents and even the court has no powers to usurp her right in any way.
Court has only the power to decide for her if she is insane.
But the court neither sent her to any medical expert, nor sought their advice, but the judeges themselves gave this observation out of their pocket, which is against the law.

Her parents filed a hebious corpus. Which means, even if she is not interested she should appear before court.

Court didn't take her right away, court took a decision and dissolved the marriage which the court don't deem to be valid under the law. There was no documents provided for the marriage.

If that was anything against law then Supreme court should've withheld the decision. But it didn't.

In case of him being a criminal, the court could go for the investigations against him, but in no way courts have this power to stop an adult woman to practice her right of decision, in name of saving her.

The most the Indian court can do is to tell her that the boy is under the investigations. But if she still wants to marry her and stay with her, then court has no rights to stop her.

Yes, in case the marriage is invalid. Court does.

You are naive.
This forced reversion by the Hindu fanatics (Organized ordeal in your terminology) are absolutely not in the interest of India.
All this drama of love Jiahd is Hadiya's case will only compel the normal Muslims to join the extremist ranks and become the terrorists themselves.

So what is in India's interest.

Running conversion factory for muslims? Woah.

I don't care what other religions do. If they convert or not convert. But as a Muslims, I should not accept this kind of stupidity of running conversion factories for Islam. It's against our belief.

Indian courts were the last beacon of light. If the normal Indian Muslims loose their faith in the courts, then no one could stop these normal Muslim to become the prey of the Muslim Extremists.

I'm glad the court decide to pass an investigation into the case. And throw off the wedding. Let the girl is given enough time and counseling before she goes with that guy again. And let the NIA investigate on that guy.

I don't want that girl to be with that guy until the investigation is over.

 

[veg]

In my town we have faced this problems, initially these boys distribute big dreams and later put them behind burkhas. We found simple way to tackle it, we are just not allowing Muslim girls to wear bhurkas in private colleges if they want to study their and we started to watch & identified every boys who visits college nearby without reason, just like Muslim boys every other community boys has the right return the favour and already we have returned the favours handsomely.

I am afraid that it is not the right way to do the things, and it will only incite the hatred which will result in the blood sooner or later.

The right and legal way is to educate the girls. Tell them about the Islam and Muslims. And then never to end the contact with them if they still marry any Muslim boy. Just keep in contact with her and let all the doors open for her if she wants a divorce and to leave Islam.

This way, even the youth of Normal Muslims will also start leaving Islam and if not hindu, but still they will become non believing Atheists.

But the way you are dealing with them at moment, then you are pushing them to become more redicalized and join the extremist's ranks.

 

[ranjeet]

Sensible thing would be to limit it only to the organizations who have forcefully converted any one to Islam, and who send them to the ISIS.

Make sure that no politics and no religion in involved in it, and limit it purely to the criminals, and not to the whole Muslim community in name of Love Jihad.

Totally agree with this and ideally this is how things MUST be..... but unfortunately politics can't be kept apart from this issue. Especially when people votes en masse on religious lines. In a democracy political parties fight for majority. They use every dirty trick there is in the book.

political violence is indeed a black spot on kerala, as on wb... where each side take turn to kill workers of opposition party... RSS is heavily involved politically in kerala(unlike many other states) and pose direct challenge to communists... just like trinamul poses direct challenge to CPM (they used to get killed by CPM cadre and now its the other way).
so no, its not innocent rss hindus getting killed for professing political view... they are also involved in violence against communists(kerala only not elsewhere)
you try to make it hindu vs muslim issue when it is hindu-vs-hindu fight mostly.

The post you quoted didn't mention anything about religion. The only point I was making that it's the communists who are at one end of the violence. It's their ideology which can't accept a strong opposition be it RSS/TMC or Congress.

 

[livingdead]

Totally agree with this and ideally this is how things MUST be..... but unfortunately politics can't be kept apart from this issue. Especially when people votes en masse on religious lines. In a democracy political parties fight for majority. They use every dirty trick there is in the book.


The post you quoted didn't mention anything about religion. The only point I was making that it's the communists who are at one end of the violence. It's their ideology which can't accept a strong opposition be it RSS/TMC or Congress.

hmm.. its an interesting theory(indian communists are prone to violence) ... if we had more communist ruling states or states with at least sizable communist support we can make such generalization.
ideologically does not communism support class struggle, by violent means if necessary? you could be onto something..

 

[ranjeet]

ideologically does not communism support class struggle, by violent means if necessary? you could be onto something..

If communism wear violence as a chip on shoulder how come it's a blot in kerala/wb then? They are being true to their ideology and such an ideology no more deserve a place in Democratic India.

 

[livingdead]

If communism wear violence as a chip on shoulder how come it's a blot in kerala/wb then? They are being true to their ideology and such an ideology no more deserve a place in Democratic India.

well I think they are an antidote to rabid hindutva fanatics... so they do serve their purpose... they also tend to have bring better equality among people... the violence and stupid economic policies are problematic but I will overlook that for now.
anyway this is way offtopic.

 

[veg]

Her parents filed a hebious corpus. Which means, even if she is not interested she should appear before court.

Hebious corpus does not give the right to the court to take the person under it's guardianship and usurp the person's personal life decisions.

Court only has to make sure that she was not forcefully converted. And no forceful conversion had been proved in this case.

One last time, the court is should be informed about the marriage. It's not asking for permission. All here actions influence the court. If she marries one day and divorce another day, what should the court do. Change the decisions as such.

Court has nothing to say in the matter if she marries one day and take divorce the next day. It is entirely her own decision.

Stop reading sources and read the judgement copy. I can't dig it our, its rather late and I'm bored.

I am afraid that it was you who made the claim. Thus the responsibility of providing the evidence also lies upon you.

Court didn't take her right away, court took a decision and dissolved the marriage which the court don't deem to be valid under the law. There was no documents provided for the marriage.

This is the issue. Court didn't present any valid reason for the annulment. Only reason presented by the court was this that the 24 years old Girl is not mature to take this decision without her parents. It was a very ridiculous proof that has been presented by the court.

And you say no documents provided for the marriage. And I say if a girl says in the court in person she marries that boy, then it is in itself a marriage and no other proof is required.

If that was anything against law then Supreme court should've withheld the decision. But it didn't.

That's the issue here.
Even Supreme Court has not provided the justice and didn't asked her directly to witness in the court and see if she is sound and mature or not. But the supreme court linked her case to the Terrorism, thus delaying and denying her the justice.

So what is in India's interest.

Running conversion factory for muslims? Woah.

You are accepting a defeat that you could not compete the Muslims in Preaching. Thus you want to use any non legal and criminal way of stopping as you deem possible, and thus targeting the whole Muslim community (even the innocent ones) by giving life to the Love Jihad conspiracy.

Instead of this, much better way would be to reform yourself.

First of all educate the girls. Also abolish the caste system which is mainly used by the Muslim preachers as an argument.

Also don't cut the ties with the girls if they decide to convert and marry. But help them to stay in contact and help them if they decide to come back and leave Islam.

There is no other alternative to it.

I'm glad the court decide to pass an investigation into the case. And throw off the wedding. Let the girl is given enough time and counseling before she goes with that guy again. And let the NIA investigate on that guy. I don't want that girl to be with that guy until the investigation is over.

Please understand, it is not your right to decide on her behalf. This decision only belongs to her. If you, or even the court try to usurp this right of her's, then you are acting against the law.

It is the worst decision by the high courts of India which have no precedence up till now. Afterwards, all the cases of Hindu girls marriage with Muslims will be termed as Love Jihad and thousands of problems will be created for the love birds.

Why do you or the courts want to involve themselves in the private life of the people?

 

[ranjeet]

well I think they are an antidote to rabid hindutva fanatics... so they do serve their purpose... they also tend to have bring better equality among people... the violence and stupid economic policies are problematic but I will overlook that for now.
anyway this is way offtopic.

Better equality among people means no place for a dalit in their party politburo? And thanks for clarifying that your post about political murders being a blot on kerala and wb was just a farce as you believe killing RSS workers is not just justified but also right.

 

[illusion8]

Yes I am.

Innocent got killed.

That's terrorism in any language.

One is a planned act to kill innocent people, the other is a accident...though a misuse of power. Wrong priorities.

 

[kmc_chacko]

I am afraid that it is not the right way to do the things, and it will only incite the hatred which will result in the blood sooner or later.

The right and legal way is to educate the girls. Tell them about the Islam and Muslims. And then never to end the contact with them if they still marry any Muslim boy. Just keep in contact with her and let all the doors open for her if she wants a divorce and to leave Islam.

This way, even the youth of Normal Muslims will also start leaving Islam and if not hindu, but still they will become non believing Atheists.

But the way you are dealing with them at moment, then you are pushing them to become more redicalized and join the extremist's ranks.

You might aware that younger generations always attracted towards shining gadgets rather than morals they don't think about after marriage or child birth. Girls who were sent to other states for studies, as education is expensive in locally, were mostly targeted as their parents are not around. in my town my Church has taken up the task of monitoring youths came from other parts of country to my place.

bloods are already sprayed on, even after repeated warning few Muslim youths had the courage to harass Hindu families openly and RSS had taken matter seriously and getting more actively involved in this and I hope this year during Ganapathi festival period few more will be given tickets.

Even after we catched those road romeos who are spending their most of time in front of ladies colleges rather than studying inside the colleges and when we present them in front of their parents, they shamelessly support their children's acts and few Mullas who supported these boys financially to attract other caste girls were also been arrested and put behind bars and only way out for us to give them same tonic which they are trying to give us.

 

[livingdead]

Better equality among people means no place for a dalit in their party politburo? And thanks for clarifying that your post about political murders being a blot on kerala and wb was just a farce as you believe killing RSS workers is not just justified but also right.

i did not say that... i said communists as an entity in political spectrum serve a vital purpose and I would overlook their violence(btw other side are involved in violence as well, its not one sided, no matter who starts it) and silly economics for now.

 

[diplomat7]

India is a hindu terrorist country that is very much apparent in 2017

please spread all these articles on all your social media accounts so that your western friends can see the true reality of india.

Yup totally

We have internationally declared terrorists opening up political parties.
We have hindu Ramlaals exploding every day in the neighborhood under the patronage of local leaders
We rank very high in failed country index

Yup totally agree with you.

 

[ranjeet]

i did not say that... i said communists as an entity in political spectrum serve a vital purpose and I would overlook their violence(btw other side are involved in violence as well, its not one sided, no matter who starts it) and silly economics for now.

So your comment about Political violence being a blot was a weasel attempt by you to admit that you support their violence.

 

[livingdead]

So your comment about Political violence being a blot was a weasel attempt by you to admit that you support their violence.

no.