Love Jihad: Shame Shame Indian Court, Shame Shame Hindu Extremism

[lastofthepatriots]

Jihad is not terrorism. Jihad means the fight for survival.

Like I said before. For me, working and taking care of my family is Jihad.

For terrorists, blowing up and killing others is Jihad.

I agree with what you said except your last sentence.

 

[veg]

But it's the Church in Kerala (who by the way also happens to be Rich, Prosperous, well educated and high HDI ranking Mallus) which came up with the term Love Jihad before BJP/RSS/VHP got hold of it.

Religious Christians also tilth towards extremism. It were also the Christian girls which were converting to Islam in India. It is sad, but it is true.

So the Christian girls, with loose family background, they don't have much problem in marrying a Muslim boy if they indulge in love with him.

So, either these are Hindu fanatics, or Christian extremists, it does not matter. The real thing is the proof for the Love Jihad hoax, but there is no proof of it. Some individual cases are cited, but it has nothing to do with this Love Jihad conspiracy. Even Christian missionaries themselves blamed for Love_Mission_Money thing. And Hindus have their own organizations who help those who convert to the Hinduism.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I agree with what you said except your last sentence.

I think that's their Jihad. Rather that's what they think.

I guess I clarified it.

 

[ranjeet]

i doubt the numbers. but if true it does not mean kerala is jihad factory, rather they have strongest connection with ME hence the events in ME probably attracted a lot of them..
if it was a jihadi factory you will hear many desi terrorists in kerala, which is not true.

Those who joined ISIS has a substantial numbers of recent converts, how do you explain this high percentage of new converts joining ISIS?

Religious Christians also tilth towards extremism. It were also the Christian girls which were converting to Islam in India. It is sad, but it is true.

So the Christian girls, with loose family background, they don't have much problem in marrying a Muslim boy if they indulge in love with him.

So, either these are Hindu fanatics, or Christian extremists, it does not matter. The real thing is the proof for the Love Jihad hoax, but there is no proof of it. Some individual cases are cited, but it has nothing to do with this Love Jihad conspiracy. Even Christian missionaries themselves blamed for Love_Mission_Money thing. And Hindus have their own organizations who help those who convert to the Hinduism.

This case is more about sending new converts to join ISIS not about love marriages, and it's not only about girls, even boys were converted through marriages and sent to Afghanistan and Middle East. That is what the courts want to be investigated.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Those who joined ISIS has a substantial numbers of recent converts, how do you explain this high percentage of new converts joining ISIS?

It's really simple. What if I started the 'Hindu gang'. And got vegans from all around the world to start killing people in the name of Hinduism? So instead of genuine Hindu people I recruit criminals. Would that reflect your religion? Just because I was a Hindu that started the 'Hindu gang'?

You know exactly what you are saying and trying to advocate disharmony among the different faiths of your nation. You should be rounded up and arrested for hate speech.

 

[ranjeet]

It's really simple. What if I started the 'Hindu gang'. And got vegans from all around the world to start killing people in the name of Hinduism? So instead of genuine Hindu people I recruit criminals. Would that reflect your religion? Just because I was a Hindu that started the 'Hindu gang'?

You know exactly what you are saying and trying to advocate disharmony among the different faiths of your nation. You should be rounded up and arrested for hate speech.

You do know this case is about a medical student, and most of the cases which got highlighted were of college going students not some random goons. I agree with your basic premise that but you stretched it a bit too far with your analogy.

Lol @ arrested for hate speech, Luckily I live in India where divergence of opinion or discussing uncomfortable issues doesn't bring such charges unlike our thin skinned neighbours.

 

[kmc_chacko]

Religious Christians also tilth towards extremism. It were also the Christian girls which were converting to Islam in India. It is sad, but it is true.

So the Christian girls, with loose family background, they don't have much problem in marrying a Muslim boy if they indulge in love with him.

So, either these are Hindu fanatics, or Christian extremists, it does not matter. The real thing is the proof for the Love Jihad hoax, but there is no proof of it. Some individual cases are cited, but it has nothing to do with this Love Jihad conspiracy. Even Christian missionaries themselves blamed for Love_Mission_Money thing. And Hindus have their own organizations who help those who convert to the Hinduism.

In my town we have faced this problems, initially these boys distribute big dreams and later put them behind burkhas. We found simple way to tackle it, we are just not allowing Muslim girls to wear bhurkas in private colleges if they want to study their and we started to watch & identified every boys who visits college nearby without reason, just like Muslim boys every other community boys has the right return the favour and already we have returned the favours handsomely.

 

[livingdead]

Those who joined ISIS has a substantial numbers of recent converts, how do you explain this high percentage of new converts joining ISIS?


This case is more about sending new converts to join ISIS not about love marriages, and it's not only about girls, even boys were converted through marriages and sent to Afghanistan and Middle East. That is what the courts want to be investigated.

I believe in such stories as much as I believe in jihadi kabootar...

Jihad is not terrorism. Jihad means the fight for survival.

Like I said before. For me, working and taking care of my family is Jihad.

For terrorists, blowing up and killing others is Jihad.

I am using it the way it has been used in the thread, and in popular western press.
I am a fundamentalist, for most people it means close minded bigot, but I think it means to go down to the fundamentals, to the very bottom of the reasoning, and not distracted by silly side issues. But When I use the word fundamentalist, I use it the same way as rest of the people I am taking to.

 

[ranjeet]

I believe in such stories as much as I believe in jihadi kabootar...

Great, I guess that's why Kerala Police launched Operation Pigeon.

Kerala: Operation Pigeon ‘saves’ 350 youths from ISIS
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-operation-pigeon-saves-350-youths-from-isis/articleshow/59376792.cms

 

[livingdead]

Great, I guess that's why Kerala Police launched Operation Pigeon.

Kerala: Operation Pigeon ‘saves’ 350 youths from ISIS
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-operation-pigeon-saves-350-youths-from-isis/articleshow/59376792.cms

ha ha...

 

[Chhatrapati]

Whatever you guys do to mock kerala. It's still the best state in India to live in.

 

[veg]

It's not my excuse. It's courts observation. The court wasn't informed about the marriage. And it's an on going case in court. The court should be informed about such arrangements.

Brother, it is simply not true.
Could you cite me the source where Court ruled out in decision that she was under the guardianship of the court, and it was illegal for her to marry during it?

All the sources which I have read and heard, they say the court wordings for annulling this marriage is this that she was immature and she should not have taken this step without the permission of her parents. There was no mention of guardianship or any thing else in the court's decision.

Also, no one came up of this excuse of guardianship etc. in the supreme court, which again show this is a false claim. Supreme court only linked her case to the terrorism, denying her the basic human right to take her own decision as an adult.

Being 24 doesn't mean she is above law.

Being 24 years old Adult means that according to the law she is fully eligible to her personal choices and decisions, and the parents and even the court has no powers to usurp her right in any way.
Court has only the power to decide for her if she is insane.
But the court neither sent her to any medical expert, nor sought their advice, but the judeges themselves gave this observation out of their pocket, which is against the law.

Court has every power.

No, the courts have to stay under the law. And the law does not give this right to the courts to decide on the behalf of Adult men or women in their private life.

You think court works like a person? It's too childish. There are over a 100 cases, which is heard during one sitting. They read and pass judgement. Not with some prejudice.

In this high profile case, the judges are working and following their prejudice, instead of the justice. In high court, either there are 100 cases daily, or the 1000 cases daily, the cases should be processed 100% according to the law. It is childish to say that 100 cases make high court to decide the cases in one sitting.
Even in one sitting the Final Argument was the direct testimony of an adult woman. But the court denying it and blaming her for immaturity without taking the advice of medical expert. It is ridiculous.

Court had it's suspensions. This comes under the discriminatory power of the court to whether go forward with investigation.

Neither the parents of the girl produced even a single proof, nor the high court produced any proof, nor the supreme court came up with any proof. You could not usurp the rights of the people in name of suspicion.
Let the people enjoy their life. If proven guilty in the future, then please go ahead and arrest them.

Change the thread title too then. You are thinking as a Pakistani, whole India is conspiring against Muslim.

Changing the thread title is not necessary while it is the truth that Indian supreme court and high court acted shamefully. Yes, you could ask for adding the religious Christian judge too along the extremist hindutva.

And please open your eyes. The secular community of your own country are criticizing this decision. It is not in the favour of Indian interests. I just hope you stop blaming me for having hatred as being a Pakistan and ex-Muslim.

Like I said, court have every right to order for an investigation. Given the current situation. Now the Supreme court has apheald the decision. What's your excuse. There are Muslims in the bench too. Are they conspiring against their fellow muslim. So, again I request to Change title. harami muslim judge and kaffirs trying to undermine a poor muslim couples. shame shame...

It seems that supreme court is trying to save the honour of the high court wrong verdict. It does not matter if a Muslim judge is also present there or not. The Verdicts of the Court should speak themselves of the Justice, which is unfortunately not the case here. The courts have not presented any proofs and their decisions are clearly denying the justice to the girl.

I wasnt talking completely about Hadiya.
http://english.manoramaonline.com/i...islamic-state-links-religious-conversion.html

But we are talking here about Hadiya. Why she has been denied the justice in name of other cases? Why her case is even being linked to the other cases. If others have done a crime by joining the ISIS, then please punish these others, but why to deny Hadiya the justice by linking her case to these others?

It's the job of the police to handle the investigation. The initial reports from the police and government was that, there was suspicions about the marriage and the whole ordeal.

NIS didn't provide a proof in the case of Hadiya and that boy, but they in general put that there is a pattern of organizational help for the conversion. Similarly, police also didn't provide any proof of any forced conversion or marriage.

As far as the organizational help is concerned, then again it is not illegal in India by law. Christian missionaries are their for this organizational help. Hindu organizations are also doing the same.

So, even if the NIS has doubts of such organizations, then it's investigations should not have been linked to the Hadiya's case and delaying and denying her the justice.

The guy is not arrested or being charged with. He is just under investigation.

Please go ahead with the investigations. But you could not usurp the rights of the people in name of suspicion.

Let the court decide if she will be safe. I heard that the guy is under criminal investigation for another case. So, let's see how this pans out.

In case of him being a criminal, the court could go for the investigations against him, but in no way courts have this power to stop an adult woman to practice her right of decision, in name of saving her.

The most the Indian court can do is to tell her that the boy is under the investigations. But if she still wants to marry her and stay with her, then court has no rights to stop her.

In the meantime, if the Hindu extremists can reverse her. let them do it. I don't like these immature converts. Who took short courses in Islam and claiming to be true Muslim. This is not something you can earn by taking courses, such institutions should be closed.

You are naive.
This forced reversion by the Hindu fanatics (Organized ordeal in your terminology) are absolutely not in the interest of India.
All this drama of love Jiahd is Hadiya's case will only compel the normal Muslims to join the extremist ranks and become the terrorists themselves.

Indian courts were the last beacon of light. If the normal Indian Muslims loose their faith in the courts, then no one could stop these normal Muslim to become the prey of the Muslim Extremists.

 

[livingdead]

Whatever you guys do to mock kerala. It's still the best state in India to live in.

in some people's mind kerala and west bengal are the places where fundamentalist muslims are running amock, harassing innocent hindu girls, and killing valiant rss fighters...

 

[ranjeet]

in some people's mind kerala and west bengal are the places where fundamentalist muslims are running amock, harassing innocent hindu girls, and killing valiant rss fighters...

So murdering people for having a different political viewpoint is not a crime anymore just because they belong to a certain ideology?

 

[veg]

This case is more about sending new converts to join ISIS not about love marriages, and it's not only about girls, even boys were converted through marriages and sent to Afghanistan and Middle East. That is what the courts want to be investigated.

These are few individuals, who are involved in the crime of joining the ISIS. So, NIS has to find out these criminals.

But you cannot deny the rights of others to marry and convert according to their own free will, which is the case here that this girl was denied her rights by linking her to the few cases of ISIS.

And very important point, RSS and BJP used the term"Love Jihad" here. So, instead of limiting it to few Muslim individuals criminals, they targeted the whole Muslim community.

BJP and RSS leaders openly spitting this hatred that Muslims are marrying the Hindu girls while not only that they want to join ISIS, but also mainly that Muslims want to increase their numbers in India.

Net results is this that normal Muslim is fully angered by this abusive term of Love Jihad.

Sensible thing would be to limit it only to the organizations who have forcefully converted any one to Islam, and who send them to the ISIS.

Make sure that no politics and no religion in involved in it, and limit it purely to the criminals, and not to the whole Muslim community in name of Love Jihad.